In the second episode of our Motherboard Memory Lane series we hone in on the Intel P35 Chipset, the successor to the Intel P965 chipset that we covered last week. The plan as always is to take a look at the P35 chipset and its Southbridge companion, the ICH9 in a little detail, outlining the new features that it brought to market, the most popular motherboards of that era on HWBOT, and of course the benchmark records that we can attribute to that era. With no further ado, let’s crack on.
Codenamed Bearlake, the P35 Chipset was launched in the 2nd Quarter of 2007, replacing the popular and long standing Intel P965 chipset. It was launched to target the enthusiast segment alongside mainstream and entry-level G35 and G33 offerings (which also featured integrated Chipset graphics capabilities). The P35 arguably boasted one key feature that made it standout from previous offerings from Intel; a higher 1333MHz Front Side Bus and support for Dual-channel DDR2 1066/800/667. It also support DDR3 at memory at similar speeds (and was the first commercial Chipset to do so) although at this point in history DDR3 kits remained around double the price of equivalent DDR2 kits while simultaneously bringing virtually no performance gains thanks to predominantly higher latencies. The fact that the vast majority of popular P35- based motherboards supported only DDR2 is clear evidence of this.
Welcome to the Motherboard Memory Lane series, a series of articles that examines PC motherboards and related platforms from an historical perspective. The idea is to explore the boards, the platforms and features from the perspective of HWBOT and overclocking. We’ll also revisit the specific motherboard from each era that proved to be the most popular according to our database, while revisiting the overclockers who used them and the world records that were attributed to them at that time. Let’s move on to our first point in motherboard history, the Intel P965 platform.
Introduced in mid-2006, the Intel P965 replaced the P945PE chipset. In terms of design it was typical of the days when a chipset truly was a set of Northbridge and Southbridge chips. The P965 was a Northbridge chip paired with a ICH8R Southbridge, supporting a range of processors that used the LGA775 socket. The P965 chipset enjoyed a fairly long shelf life that spanned several processor architectures and model names; Intel Celeron, Pentium 4, Pentium D, Pentium Extreme, Core 2 Duo and Core 2 Extreme CPUs. In terms of memory support the Intel P965 used 240 pin DDR2 at standard speeds of DDR-533/667/800, in most consumer boards limited to a maximum capacity of 8GB.
HWBOT Invites Brazilian Ambient and Extreme Overclockers to Learn and Compete in the Latin American Stop of the HWBOT World Tour 2017
HWBOT today officially announces the second stop of the HWBOT World Tour 2017. In Sao Paulo, Brazil, during the first week of February, HWBOT hosts an overclocking workshop and the Latin American qualifier of the Overclocking World Championship at Campus Party. Each stop of the tour includes an Overclocking World Championship Qualifier contest where the winner gets to secure a place in the World Championship 2017 Final at the end of the year. The Qualifier contest winner will walk away with a trophy and a ticket to the Final.
"We look forward to returning to Sao Paulo for the Latin American leg of the World Tour 2017, a city that brings back fond memories," commented Pieter-Jan Plaisier, Director at HWBOT. "Campus Party brings together the perfect audience for overclocking with students, technology enthusiasts and gamers all in one location. The Brazilian passion is energizing and people are eager to find out more about Overclocking."
Welcome to SkatterBencher #6. In this episode we are focusing our attentions on the latest Kaby Lake architecture processors from Intel, specifically the Core i7 7700K. In this guide we want to show you how to Overclock an i7 7700K from its default clock frequency of 4.5GHz, to 5GHz and beyond. We're also going to show you in our typical quick-and-easy style, how to also push the DDR4 memory frequency, the integrated graphics, plus a nice trick that will push the CPU even further while only using an all-in-one cooler. Of course we'll also examine just how much performance can be gained by running some benchmarks.
The quest to find out which country has the best overclockers in the world in 2016 is almost upon us. The HWBOT Country Cup 2016 kicks off in just a matter of days, pitting country against country across six gruelling stages that promise to be the truest test of overclocking pedigree. The contest starts on November 1st and closes the day before Christmas eve with prizes, as well as lots of kudos lined up for the winners.
In previous years we’ve seen wins from Romania (2x), Poland and Greece, but in 2013, 2014 and 2015 the Australians were the top global force to be reckoned with, producing three displays of such dominance that they barely dropped a point. Will they be in the ascendancy once again in 2016, or are their natives of other countries willing to put their OC creedance on the line and go for the win? Could Germany finally flex their OC teamwork muscles, or perhaps the US will find a winning team ethic. And let’s not underestimate the Belgians after their recent Team Cup exploits. An intriguing battle lies ahead, that is the only certainty.
The Interweb is aflame today with news that AMD have finally revealed some official information about their forthcoming Ryzan processors series. At arguably their biggest and most significant product launch in a decade, AMD held a ‘Tech Day’ for journalists where the company revealed (or confirmed at least) a number of salient facts. They also provided a demonstration of Extreme Overclocking where a team of respected Overclockers managed to break the 8-core Global First Place score in Cinebench R15.
First some facts. AMD today confirmed that Ryzen chips will be on store shelves on March 1st with pre-orders already cascading across Amazon servers as we speak. The new AMD high-performance product series will debut with top tier Ryzen 7 chips, with Ryzen 5 and Ryzen 3 arriving later this year. This is great news, proving that the company is actually on track and poised to shift units by this time next week. They also revealed that they have apparently overshot their target in terms of IPC, hitting a 52% improvement in instructions per clock over the previous generation.
Perhaps most notable of all are the performance benchmarks which AMD hope will offer a clearer picture of how well Ryzen will compete with Intel. Slides shown to media at the event show the flagship Ryzen 7 1800X beating a Core i7 6900K by +9% - an impressive feat, especially considering a price difference where the AMD chip costs around half that of the Intel equivalent.
This Thursday we take you back just three years to a day back in February 2014 when Massmanand Xyala interviewed three of the world’s most respected and influential Overclockers on the topic of liquid nitrogen. Love it or hate it, LN2 is the Extreme Overclockers most prized weapon when it comes to breaking records and pushing the boundaries of performance. Ask World No.1 Dancop, once someone introduces to sub-zero overclocking, there’s no way back. But how much does it cost to have a dewar or two of LN2 on hand in the man cave? What about additional costs for tools and accessories? All issues discussed in this interview with der8auer (Germany), Vivi (South Africa) and Rbauss (Brazil).
“Why would an overclocker change to liquid nitrogen cooling?”
Vivi: Overclockers always want more performance and a higher overclock. They know the only way to get it is with better cooling. To eliminate the cooling problem, you use liquid nitrogen as it can take the component to its coldest and/or best operating temperature. Then you are free to go for the highest possible overclock.
Rbuass: I also believe it is a quest for more performance. Many enthusiast overclockers feel that if they want to do better scores, they don’t want to be limited by the enthusiast-grade cooling anymore. So in search of the maximum, they gather all their courage and go extreme!
Der8auer: We all started as normal overclockers using air- or water cooling. However there is always the point where you hit the thermal limit of your setup. You can raise the voltage of your CPU or GPU but you won’t be able to clock higher. The conclusion is that you need a lower temperature to achieve better results. Participating in HWBOT rankings means competing with the rest of the world so in order to improve your ranking you have to step up to a better cooling solution such as dry ice or liquid nitrogen.
A few weeks we posted a discreet wee poll on the lower right side of the front page of the HWBOT site. The poll was an attempt to gauge the anticipation levels within the HWBOT membership towards forthcoming AMD Ryzan processors. After almost a month of voting we can now draw your attention to the results which generally seem to indicate that a large portion of the HWBOT community is actually pretty excited.
In the last few months and weeks we’ve seen a great deal of leaks and small nuggets of information that pertain to AMD’s new range of high-performance desktop PC processors. We have a brand name, Ryzan, the specifications in terms of core and thread count with pretty reliable clock speed data, and more recently several indications regarding expected performance levels. More and more we find that both tech media and PC enthusiasts around the world are beginning to actually believe that a true renaissance is possible for AMD in the high-performance space – a notion that would have been frankly untenable a year or so ago.
Despite the leaks, the rumors and official news from AMD, there will always remain a segment of the Overclocking scene who remain cynical as to AMD’s chances of ever truly competing with Intel as they did a decade or so ago. Indeed, for many newer HWBOT members, Intel has been the only processor vendor worthy of Overclocking, ever. So, we decided to ask the question – will you give AMD a chance when Ryzan finally arrives on store shelves?
The poll data (shown on the left) reveals a community that is somewhat divided. From a sample of 567 votes we find more than 42% are just not interested. Whether these voters are true Intel enthusiasts (or fanboys) remains unclear. It may well be that they simply don’t think AMD has a chance of reclaiming its former glory, and regard the media hype as unreliable. Either way, a large portion of the community remain unconvinced.
Alternatively however, almost a third of all members polled are already sold on Ryzan and are prepared to invest in an AMD chip at launch, be it quad-core, octa-core or whatever. Additionally, we have those who prefer to wait and see. A significant 28.57% of voters would invest in Ryzan if the benchmarks are good. So far, from what the media is reporting (or leaking) it seems that Ryzan will indeed be a very significant boost for AMD over previous gen processors, a fact that may well entice those currently perched on the proverbial fence.
Generally speaking, the poll results point to a degree of optimism for a large section of the community towards Ryzan. At the very least, it means a major leap in interest levels for AMD on HWBOT, the biggest leap we have seen in quite a while.
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“Day 2 gave attendees a chance to find out just how deep the performance rabbit hole can go, with a demonstration of Extreme Overclocking thanks to an appearance from one of Indonesia’s most respected Elite Overclockers, Hazzan Jadid. Hazzan is a seasoned veteran of many high profile global OC contests and an Overclocker that is at his best when pushing a system live on stage. Joined by members of the UNS OC Team plus respected Indonesian Overclocker speed.fastest and lots of LN2, they managing to beat the x4 Global First Place ranked score for the Intel XTU benchmark.”
“The new highest score for a quad-core CPU in the XTU benchmark now stands at 2,305 marks. This is just ahead of World No.1 Dancop who managed a score of 2,301 marks just weeks ago. The score was made with a Kay Lake-based Intel Core i7 7700K pushed to 6,630MHz, a massive +57.86% beyond the processor’s stock settings. As well as an ASUS ROG Maximus IX Apex motherboard, the rig also included a G.SKILL Trident Z DDR 4 kit clocked at 2,108MHz and a Seasonic 1,200 watt powers supply.”
Abit was arguably one of a host of long lost motherboard vendors that most enthusiasts recall with a certain degree of fondness. Indeed most PC enthusiasts who were active prior to the company’s demise will remember Abit as one of the first motherboard companies to actively develop and promote specific Overclocking features. The good news today is that HWBOT Community Leader Christian Ney has uploaded a back up the original Abit website to his own domain, providing access to many of the resources that were available to the community back in the day.
According to Christian in a forum post earlier today:
“Before Abit shut down, Turrican and I made a backup of their FTP. I thought I lost it but when checking some external hard drives the other day I found the backup. I did not upload the whole backup (it is quite big). I only uploaded the BIOS, Beta, FlashMenu, Manuals and Utilities directories to my website. If you however need driver(s) or product picture(s), feel free to request them. Now if someone has a backup of DFI's… :D”
The inclusion of BIOS images will be a very helpful resource to many who still opt for an Abit board when revisiting older processor platforms, such as the Socket A / Athlon XP era which proved to be an historical point where Abit were in many respects ahead of the competition when it comes to providing innovative features that Overclockers could take advantage of.
Here’s some news fresh from the HWBOT X website that covers an Overclocking Gathering that was held at the HwBox headquarters in Piraeus, Greece just a week or so ago. By the sounds of it, the event managed to get virtually all of the country’s OC talent, past and present, in one space. The meet up garnered quite a few Hardware First Place scores, mostly combining Kaby Lake with several classic Radeon HD 5XXX and 4XXX cards:
“In attendance were many of Greece’s most respected Oveclockers, including a few faces that may not be active benchers today, harking back to the origins of Greek Overclocking. The attendee list included Phil, mortisboy, Demac, Firekiller, kintaro, varachio, $@39@, Gorillakos, MetallicGR, Astalavista, AMDnord, storm1978, greekphantom and others – pretty much a who’s who list of the most important Overclockers in the country.”
“As key event sponsors GIGABYTE provided a great introduction to the new Z270 platform from Intel, giving all Greek masters at the event a chance to get to know the GIGABYTE Z270X-Gaming-SOC motherboard. Coupled with the latest Intel Core i7 77700L processors, the was plenty of LN2 on hand for the gathering.”
“After a fun weekend of Extreme Overclocking, several attendees managed to submit scores that would gain points as Hardware First Place rankings. These included scores and submissions from OGS, mortisboy, Greek Phantom and Sofos1990. Using a mix of Radeon HD 5970, Radeon HD 5870, Radeon HD 5770 cards, plus Radeon HD 4870 and R9 270X cards the gathering turned out to be a veritable points harvest for the HwBox Hellas Team, of which all attendees are a member.”
Renowned iF International Design Forum Selects the BC1 Open Benchtable for Computer Product Design Award 2017.
[Press Release] February 21, 2017 - STREACOM and HWBOT, an organization regulating international overclocking competitions and rankings, is proud to announce selection of the BC1 Open Benchtable as winner of the prestigious iF DESIGN AWARD. The BC1 Open Benchtable was the winning product in the category of Computer Product, underlining the unique design of the BC1 which offers a lightweight, portable, toolless and fully integrated benchtable for enthusiasts and professionals.
“After more than a year of research and design, followed by months of work with partners Streacom to bring the product to market, it’s an honor to receive industry recognition from a respected group like the iF International Design Forum,” commented Timothée Pineau, VP of OverClocking-TV.
“This award from iF Design underlines the value of leveraging the unique knowledge base and expertise of the PC enthusiast community at HWBOT,” commented Pieter-Jan Plaisier, Director at HWBOT. “The innovative design of the Open Benchtable owes a great deal to the input and feedback of enthusiastic HWBOT members from around the world.”
“It is truly an honor to receive this prestigious award for the BC1, which stands as a testament to the unique and innovative design that has redefined the benchtable market,” commented Shimon Simon, Head of Design and Manufacturing at Streacom. “The award further validates our reputation as a company that pushes the boundaries of form, function, quality and value.”
The BC1 Open Benchtable and its uniquely portable and integrated design clearly made a positive impression on the 58-member iF DESIGN Forum jury which was made up of independent experts from all over the world. The competition was intense with over 5,500 entries submitted from 59 countries - all hopeful of receiving the iF DESIGN seal of approval.
Just a few days ago we came to the conclusion of the second round of the Old School is Best School contest on OC-ESPORTS. The contest ran from January 15th to February 15th and attracted the attention of 28 teams of Overclockers. At the end of a month spend toiling with AMD’s classic socket 939 era processors Nvidia’s GeForce 7 series, we find Greek overclockers HwBox Hellas O/C Team in total control of the Round with TechSweden.org in runner-up spot and Round 1 winners XtremeOverdrive OC Team Italy in third place. Let’s take a look at the Round 2 contest in a little more detail.
Stage 1: Cinebench R11.5
In Stage 1 we find the Greek are already making a strong claim with an outright win on the Cinebench R11.5 benchmark, taking top spot with a score of 0.93 points per core. The win arrives in part with the decision to use a single-core CPU, a wise choice seeing as all scores are in fact divided by the number of cores present on the CPU. The HwBox Hellas O/C Team earned 25 points and top spot thanks to good work from Greek Overclocker Stelaras who pushed an AMD Athlon 64 FX-57 (San Diego) to 3,655MHz, a very tasty +30.54% beyond stock. In terms of motherboard, he used a DFI LANParty UT NF4 SLI-DR Expert.
In second place we find Japanese master Kotori, who managed to score 0.91 points on behalf of the Warp9-systems team. This was done with an LN2 cooled single-core AMD Athlon 64 4000+ (San Diego) clocked at 3,578MHz (+49.08%) using a DFI LANParty UT nF4 Ultra-D motherboard. Third place goes to Dead Things and his team at Hardware Canucks, managing a score of 0.91 points using an Athlon 64 FX-57 (San Diego) pushed to 3,535MHz (+26.27%) and the same DFI board as Kotari.
Just like every month we have a look at the SuperPI 32M low-clock challenge threads in our forum and make a list of the most efficient overclocks for various CPU architectures. Compared to last month, we have new scores to share. In the Intel category, Luumi (Finland) is currently leading with his Skylake submission of 5 min 52.750 seconds. In the Kaby Lake category Coolhandluke41 (United States) improved the best time to 5 min 42.890 seconds. In the AMD camp nothing has changed because, well, aren't we all waiting waiting for Ryzen?
If you are the kind of person who is prone to burning the midnight oil pouring over Intel processor datasheets, then the latest video from Buildzoid may well be the best thing you’ve seen all week. Datasheets for complex components such as processors are not always so easy to interpret, containing lots of data and numbers that may not always make complete sense for anyone except an Intel engineer. The latest video from Buildzoid sets out to debunk and demystify any potential misinterpretation; starting with the notion that 1.52V is NOT a safe maximum voltage for a modern Intel CPU:
Looking at a processor datasheet from Intel can and perhaps should be quite a challenge for the uninitiated. Buildzoid notes that there are plenty of data points that can very easily be misunderstood. He makes the point that in fact many enthusiasts and overclockers make the mistake of thinking that the figures used are literally guidelines for enthusiasts. For example, in the ‘Operating Voltage’ > ‘Voltage Range for Processor Active Operating Mode’ section we find a range of between 0.55V and 1.52V. This range has actually been consistent from Intel on its datasheets for several generations and in truth is determined to help motherboard vendors design their VRMs. It is not a guideline to inform Overclockers. Buildzoid also makes the point that in fact, when seeking advice regarding upper voltage limits, it’s good remember that it isn’t voltage that kills CPUs, it’s current. He also takes time to look at many of the side notes contained on the Intel datasheets to further clarify what can and cannot be gleaned one of these datasheets from an Oveclocking perspective. It’s a pretty informative tutorial regarding how datasheets from companies from Intel can be misinterpreted and how Overclockers should read between the lines at times.