15 pts Toppc

It is strictly forbidden to flash a non-MSI VGA card with a bios that holds the MSI vendor code.

Blah, there goes my try

Blah, there goes my try

I'd prefer Zotac cards, but no it's MSI.

Cool, but wont this just turn into who has the best cpu for vantage?

So to try and win a 460, you must enter with a 460?

...

That's one way to run a comp I guess

Cool, but wont this just turn into who has the best cpu for vantage?

Not sure. With low-end cards, Vantage is mostly GPU limited. Maybe the SR-2 has an edge here, though ... not sure.

So to try and win a 460, you must enter with a 460?

 

...

 

That's one way to run a comp I guess

I'm pretty sure the GTS450 will be a better idea. It's about %OC in the non-extreme stage and from the looks of it, the GTS450 is very strong in that area

Hmm would like to add my clocks,but it still asks a score to fill in...;The Kombustor comp.I dont get it.

The score in the Kombustor competition = GPU clock

The engine will take the gpu/mem clock from the score details.

would it be possible to join in both the stages or we must choose extreme or non-extreme category?

Are ES cpus allowed (not that I have one, just asking )?

Thanks!

nope, I just calculated how much will a 975 score less than a 980x, keeping the same gpu score.

The result is that, with a 975 clocked at 5133mhz against a 980x clocked at 5ghz (so, SURELY all of these, even the worst), we would loose around 1.400 points on the total score.

We can't partecipate, this comp is for people with a 980x

would it be possible to join in both the stages or we must choose extreme or non-extreme category?

Are ES cpus allowed (not that I have one, just asking )?

Thanks!

Oh, good call!

No, ES not allowed .

nope, I just calculated how much will a 975 score less than a 980x, keeping the same gpu score.

The result is that, with a 975 clocked at 5133mhz against a 980x clocked at 5ghz (so, SURELY all of these, even the worst), we would loose around 1.400 points on the total score.

We can't partecipate, this comp is for people with a 980x

That's the wrong way of calculating.

Try to figure out how much more GPU score you need to beat a 5.5GHz 980X. Then figure out how much GPU power scales with GPU score.

In your calculation, you assume the clocks you have are the same. What kind of overclocking is that?

Yeah Pieter, I thought about that, I took a submission (I don't remember the user) with a 1.110+ MHz gpu at LN2...

There aren't so many 460s over 1,1ghz, so it's almost impossible to beat them unless having a vga with a 1300+mhz gpu

In 460 256bit category there are Hero, Icw33, ShockG, cowie and Lucky_noob all with vga@ln2, paired with a 980x... if only one of them joins with the 980x@phase and vga@ln2 as they already did, we're being blown away

Then be the first to do 1400MHz?

asd, sounds good, but it's a little difficult task :D

interesting.........

Pieter, one last thing... in the non-extreme stage, the percentage calculation is based on gtx460/gts450 reference clocks or on the clocks of the version with which we play? so for example on a msi cyclone?

Not sure if my Cyclone can do more than 1134Mhz, it will be struggling hard going against the HAWKs(which maybe hit 1200 or way more)

But I'm in for some GTX460 clocking fun for sure (the point of OCing is having fun with our h/w ,right? :D)

if it's an answer to my point in some posts ago, yeah, it's about fun, and that is why we're not going to pay 250euros for a videocard with which we can't compete because of we haven't a 980x, it's better to buy something else, maybe for the next competition, who knows

The only chance is to do something with a cheaper gts450

This week, we're going to put under ln2 our 8800gts320, we hope to have fun with it

Pieter, one last thing... in the non-extreme stage, the percentage calculation is based on gtx460/gts450 reference clocks or on the clocks of the version with which we play? so for example on a msi cyclone?

I would like to know this as well. My submission shows incorrect stock clocks.

Pieter, one last thing... in the non-extreme stage, the percentage calculation is based on gtx460/gts450 reference clocks or on the clocks of the version with which we play? so for example on a msi cyclone?

Reference clocks.

you have to take a picture of the rig but,

do you want other pictures of just the card itself also?

In the picture it must be clear that you're using an MSI vga.

I saw the first two results posted... but the percentages are calculated from a 750/950 reference clocks for the 460s.

Aren't the ref. clocks of the 460s, 675/900?

For the 450s they should be 783/900, shouldn't they?

I'm sorry but I do not understand how to submit this for the gpu-z portion of the contest. What is the score?

Submitted...someone check if I did it correctly please.

It seems ok to me... the part I still don't understand are the percentages calculations:

On the MSI website I find for the gts450, the following versions with those frequencies: http://eu.msi.com/index.php?func=prodpage1&maincat_no=130#/getContent.php?cat_no=873&show_type=product

783/1000

850/1000

783/900

850/900

As for the gtx460s versions, here we go: http://eu.msi.com/index.php?func=prodpage1&maincat_no=130#/getContent.php?cat_no=738&show_type=product

Hawk: 780/900

Cyclone OC 1gb: 725/900

Cyclone 1gb: 675/900

Cyclone 768D5/OC 768mb: 725/900

Cyclone 768D5 768mb: 675/900

768D5: 675/900

So, the reference clocks are 675/900 for the 460s and 783/908 for the 450: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GeForce_400_Series#GTX_400_Series

Is it allright or is there something that I really missed?

I think overclock should be calculated from whatever the stock clocks of the card you are using are. That is the true overclock you achieved. Whatever overclocking done by the factory should not count as that card is sold and garanteed to run at this higher speed out of the box.

BTW is there any way to raise the memory clock limit? I have afterburner maxed out on memory with no issues. I would like to try and push it up a bit.

Factory overclocked cards, are nothing more nothing less than a normal videocard with stock frequencies.

The only differences are in cards like the lightnings, the hawks etc... cards with different pcbs and components.

Pieter said "stock frequencies", so I think they should be those I reported in my last post...

If it's not correct, I'm truly missing the point... ?_?

It seems ok to me... the part I still don't understand are the percentages calculations:

On the MSI website I find for the gts450, the following versions with those frequencies: http://eu.msi.com/index.php?func=prodpage1&maincat_no=130#/getContent.php?cat_no=873&show_type=product

783/1000

850/1000

783/900

850/900

 

As for the gtx460s versions, here we go: http://eu.msi.com/index.php?func=prodpage1&maincat_no=130#/getContent.php?cat_no=738&show_type=product

Hawk: 780/900

Cyclone OC 1gb: 725/900

Cyclone 1gb: 675/900

Cyclone 768D5/OC 768mb: 725/900

Cyclone 768D5 768mb: 675/900

768D5: 675/900

 

So, the reference clocks are 675/900 for the 460s and 783/908 for the 450: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GeForce_400_Series#GTX_400_Series

Is it allright or is there something that I really missed?

Well you are not the only one that dont understand it.

We use Nvidia's references clocks. It doesn't matter whether the card is factory overclocked.

We use Nvidia's references clocks. It doesn't matter whether the card is factory overclocked.

Why is rickss69 score (http://hwbot.org/community/submission/1056800_rickss69_gpu_z_gpu_frequency_geforce_gtx_460_256bit_995_mhz) then calculated from a reference clock of 700/900 and not 760/950 like the other two scores?

If the are all 460's the should be calculated from 675/900

It's just that we have only a very small chance whit a 450 because the have to calculate from 783/908.

That means if a 460 reaches 1100Mhz a 450 has to do over 1276Mhz to win

I'm sorry but I do not understand how to submit this for the gpu-z portion of the contest. What is the score?

 

Submitted...someone check if I did it correctly please.

 

 

Core Clock 405mhz, Shader 800mhz ????

for some reason your 460gtx has been put into emergency mode to be stable without, please see your fps compared 900MHz core com "and see if there are not 25fps 420fps.

460gtx position Error = Core 405mhz/ Shader 800mhz

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Looking at the current results i am really confused. Current leader in Kombuster has different base clocks. So now the others are significantly lower.

Why is rickss69 score (http://hwbot.org/community/submission/1056800_rickss69_gpu_z_gpu_frequency_geforce_gtx_460_256bit_995_mhz) then calculated from a reference clock of 700/900 and not 760/950 like the other two scores?

Fixed. GTX460 is now calculated by 675/900 (reference clocks)

"Hello,

An hwbot crew member, Massman, has blocked one of your submitted scores. It has been marked as 'not ran at default settings'.

This was the reason the user gave:

The card was not running 3D clocks (check afterburner)"

You can view your result here:

http://hwbot.org/community/submission/1056986_rickss69_gpu_z_gpu_frequency_geforce_gtx_460_256bit_1002_mhz

Not sure why my submission was blocked when I don't even use Afterburner to clock the card. No version of Afterburner I have tried has allowed voltage adjustment. Just what is "default settings"? Am I to understand that Afterburner is the only acceptable means of overclocking one of these cards, or just for this contest? This is more than frustrating...

If the greater score was blocked why was the lessor one allowed when it was run exactly the same? http://hwbot.org/community/submission/1056800_rickss69_gpu_z_gpu_frequency_geforce_gtx_460_256bit_995_mhz

In the Afterburner graph you can see that the frequency you're running at is not 995MHz, but 405MHz.

In the Afterburner graph you can see that the frequency you're running at is not 995MHz, but 405MHz.

I can not help that. Perhaps it is due to the version of Afterburner I am using...and it is only used for the temp graph function. I just re -ran this bench again using the same settings as always, pulled up Kombustor and made no changes...just click and run. I have even provided a gpu-z validation. If those numbers are wrong on the screen then why did you approve my lessor score with the same numbers showing?

If my latest submission is blocked I do not know how I can correct what you think is wrong. Also, will you throw out the other two submissions where that portion of the screen is covered? The fact that I made no attempt to cover any data on screen and a gpu-z validation provided should tell you there is no trickery going on here.

http://hwbot.org/community/submission/1057111_rickss69_gpu_z_gpu_frequency_geforce_gtx_460_256bit_1006_mhz

It's also quite obvious that the Kombustor benchmark is not running at 3D clocks. Just have a look at the FPS rates in the upper-left corner ... only 17 AVG whereas others have 400+.

It's also quite obvious that the Kombustor benchmark is not running at 3D clocks. Just have a look at the FPS rates in the upper-left corner ... only 17 AVG whereas others have 400+.

And exactly how does one change that? I have made it clear that I am not using Afterburner to clock with. Currently I have version 1.6 installed because version 2.00 will not install at all for me. If you can point to where these changes can be made I will gladly try it. Otherwise, I submit you are seeing those numbers because Afterburner is not being used to overclock this card. If you say that Afterburner is the only utility to be used in this contest then I guess I am done.

Also you did not address the other two submissions where that portion of the screen is hidden? I suspect had I had mine covered as well we would not be having this discussion.

I may be cutting my own throat, but I made this Vantage run yesterday using the exact same overclocking method... http://hwbot.org/community/submission/1056684_rickss69_3dmark_vantage___performance_geforce_gtx_460_256bit_20430_marks

Is this not valid as well? Without Afterburner working as it should I do not know what else I can do with this card.

Fine - Do not reply...just keep putting my other run back up with the exact same errors you faulted in my latest submissions. That makes great sense Mass.

rickss, I've experienced the same problem with frequencies and forceware 260.63...

Try older drivers, like the 259.22, they should work

Probably Afterburner doesn't support the latest 260.63...

edit: Just tried with the 259.22, everything works fine

edit:sorry, wrong thread

rickss, I've experienced the same problem with frequencies and forceware 260.63...

Try older drivers, like the 259.22, they should work

Probably Afterburner doesn't support the latest 260.63...

 

edit: Just tried with the 259.22, everything works fine

ron - I have tried numerous drivers and even another OS to no avail...there is just something present here that doesnt agree with Afterburner. If I can figure out how to flash the bios on this card maybe I will be able to do something with it. Thanks for the reply.

Btw, the most common error I get when trying to install Afterburner is "missing or corrupted files D3DCompiler_42.dll. Something to do with DirectX from what I gather. It isnt that the card is not running the frequencies stated in gpu-z, but rather the older versions of Afterburner are not allowing Kombustor to see/record it properly I believe. What a pita...

I've had this problem too... I solved it by downloading and installing "directx redistributable package june2010" from microsoft website.

My missing dll wad d3d9_42.dll but I think the problem is the same, give it a try.

I've had this problem too... I solved it by downloading and installing "directx redistributable package june2010" from microsoft website.

My missing dll wad d3d9_42.dll but I think the problem is the same, give it a try.

Will do ron - Thanks!

did you try running in fullscreen mode

Splave, the problem with the dx doesn't let you open Kombustor, so you can't choose to run in fullscreen or windowed mode.

After changing to 259.22 driver and installing the June 2010 dx package, everything was ok

Update: That dx package didnt help...

Mhhh I'm sorry, I don't know what to suggest to solve that silly problem

Looks like rickss69 submission have some artifacts on kombustor, is that alloved too?

Just my luck again, ordered some parts for this 4days ago and now they still havent send it to me and times running off -.- Good luck others who have parts

Artifacted - Yes it was...we are pushing these things to the limit. It did however finish the benchmark. As for the validity, someone else will have to make that call. One thing for certain is it didnt artifact because it was running in 2D lol. I did finally discover what it was that made the earlier submissions show a whacked core clock in Kombustor...as soon as I opened Afterburner is when the clocks would skew.

Edit: Added another photo so maybe it can be better read.

Guys, if no rules are better specified, I agree with rickss.

Have you ever benched in the old days of the radeon 9000 series? when you were at the limit, everything was screwed up, you couldn't even understand what image was on the screen, given the number of huge and colored artifacts.

In this competition the rule is: 5minutes of kombuster, temp above 25°c, afterburner opened, gpuz and background image.

So if the limit is 1005mhz with the msi logo screwed up but charging the gpu at 100%, I don't see any difference in the old days of radeons and geffo 1/2/3/4/5

Last word to the mods, of course, just my way of thinking.

Card has to be >25°C at all times, not just at the end of the benchmark.

Screenshot, OBVIOUSLY, has to be clear. No downcutting/resizing so people cannot see the details of the score properly. I thought that was selbverstandlich.

Re-ran the bench using Afterburner only and got a proper sceen this time. You will not see much more out of these cards using Afterburner only to clock with. It does not play well when you try to introduce other overclocking methods and have Afterburner running at the same time.

Wow, I saw that MeanMachine used the same "technique" I used, gpu pot and LN2, to constantly remain@25/27°c.

I arrived at 1000mhz gpu, stable... the problem is the ram... can't do more than 1100mhz, so I didn't even post the result, it's too bad.

Congrats to you guys, impressive clocks, maybe you all have some room for improvements before the comp. ends

Yes, it seems the memory is the largest sticking point for me as well.

PEOPLE, don't forget that you have to show BOTH GPU and MEM running in the Afterburner logs!!

Not just the GPU core frequency ...

Me though, I'm too dumb to figure out how to OC the RAM to 1200MHz. Other than that, 1020MHz is working, sort of.

The score in the Kombustor competition = GPU clock

 

The engine will take the gpu/mem clock from the score details.

So, mem clock irrelevant for the competition, but it still looks as if it matters in the ranking?

The score in the Kombustor competition = GPU clock

 

The engine will take the gpu/mem clock from the score details.

Ah, yes. I guess I overlooked this one * thanks for pointing that out Jonas () *

So can anyone confirm of this rule? Is the GPU Clock is all that matters in the non-extreme category? or the memory clock is counted also?

Thanks,

It's the combination of GPU OC % and MEM OC %

It's the combination of GPU OC % and MEM OC %

OK Thanks for the clarification PJ ()b

"MSI's hunt for 450 & 460 - OC Challenger is open for submissions until 5 oct. This competition is between members. You can submit benchmark results before 5 oct."

Is it just me, or does that contradict itself? Can you submit any results on the 5th, or do you have to do it before the 5th of october, i.e. the 4th?

Sounds like someone is holding one in the bag lol....Just a hint at what would be possible if I didnt have to open Afterburner. (gpu on water)

My goal is actually the Extreme part, but I'd need to figure out how to get the memory to 1200MHz+ first.

Don't forget the background in the verification screenshots. It would be sad if scores are pulled because of some verification rules.

My goal is actually the Extreme part, but I'd need to figure out how to get the memory to 1200MHz+ first.

Memory will be the least of your problems. Unless your card is modded to the gills you won't reach the clocks of the top spot regardless of how cold you get it.

Oh? 1140Mhz doesn't seem to be THAT much on liquid nitrogen?

Oh? 1140Mhz doesn't seem to be THAT much on liquid nitrogen?

Try it on a stock card...

You guys have raised the voltage limit to 1,272v without vmodding?

Try it with Nibitor 5.7... also, if you need frequencies past 1ghz, flash the bios with higher default freqs, then flash it back to the vga.

I did it this thing but giving more than 1,25v at 25+°c resulted in an instant crash at 1000mhz on the gpu.

You guys competing in the extreme stage, could give a try to what I'm reporting, if you didn't already know, of course

I won't partecipate in the extreme area because I don't have a 980x, so I'll remain watching you

Once again screwed by Afterburner. I never did figure out a workaround and tbh shouldnt have to. All this effort and foiled by a failed utility lol...

Well, I'm not getting past what I've posted so far right now at least. Spent the entire afternoon with that. Gotta look into GPU and maybe memory OVP (1.2/1.77V).

By the way, Massman... Would like to ask you about the total point of the competition. Is the winner chosen from the highest total score (extreme & non extreme) or each stage has its own winner (1 winner for extreme stage and 1 winner for non extreme stage)?

Two prizes

GTX480 Lightning for winner of the extreme stage

GTX460 Hawk for winner of the 25°C stage

Overall ranking is just for fun .

I see... That's overall ranking bothered me before... Thanks for the confirmation...

Whew...finally can get one score after wasting 15L on LN2, still wondering why my GT2 is so bad for 1.2Ghz GPU Core....also I got cold slow kicking in at about -75C, and probably need to do vgpu hardmod to see whether more than +200mV will give good scaling to the GPU..

Will do one more bench session tommorow

Whew...finally can get one score after wasting 15L on LN2, still wondering why my GT2 is so bad for 1.2Ghz GPU Core....also I got cold slow kicking in at about -75C, and probably need to do vgpu hardmod to see whether more than +200mV will give good scaling to the GPU..

 

Will do one more bench session tommorow

Nah, I think you should stop where you are now.

I'm having coldbug at about -65c, it just completely stops working.

A few more tweaks for a final push tomorrow, not so sure I will improve my score. I'm sure Lucky_noob will take this if he gets his issues sorted out.

you guys moving the cooling jumper?

three cards tested cbb -78c-90c. slow cold after that.

I asked for a slow cold bios but no responce from msi.

think if you add 1.3v+ and not kill the card it would be great.

killed two 1 @1.28v the other @1.29v both smoked the same spot 1 air 1 frozen.

I got nothing my good card only goes 1140.

Moving the dip switches did nothing to improve my overclocking

Well, the xtremecool switch did lower the cold bug from -65 to about -90, but with cold slow kicking in at -75, it's not helping at all. The Cold Slow issue remained in the BIOS I think, will need someone close with nVIDIA to take out the 2D Slow mode out of this card, and after that maybe we'll see some improvement at lower temperature.

Managed to get the Card to 1.33V to do a final bench session, hopefully everything went right on this one :)

Mean Machine was so kind to share the GTX460 Cyclone Vgpu mod on Facebook:

What about a teaser?

Erm... Nothing to see here, changed my mind.

You mean that 26k at 1250Mhz?

LOL @ Massman ()

I guess during the last 30 mins of the competition, we'll see many people submitting score more than 26k, with GPU Clock waaaaaay more than 1200Mhz :D

There's still 4L of LN2 left, will try what I can do with that..

Yeah, I'm not too optimistic about my chances, but I've at least done what I could with this Cyclone.

Had the card at 1044/1211mhz four minutes forty seven seconds into the run and I lost video. Confirmed the card is ghost lol. Been fun anyways folks and good luck to the remaining competitors.

Not waiting around anymore, got a job interview in the morning, so I need some sleep. My final results are up.

Whew...there is my final score, got that lucky run with that last 4L of LN2

Thanks to everyone who participate, it's been fun to bench with you guys,

especially Jonas with the phenomenal Cyclone (only differs 15Mhz from my Hawk), nice work and effort, dude d()b

Now waiting for others to submit their score....

Whew...there is my final score, got that lucky run with that last 4L of LN2

 

Thanks to everyone who participate, it's been fun to bench with you guys,

especially Jonas with the phenomenal Cyclone (only differs 15Mhz from my Hawk), nice work and effort, dude d()b

 

Now waiting for others to submit their score....

I got close to beating at least one Hawk.

I heard there are some bad ass scores coming in, but this whole Cyclone experience was quite fun. Maybe I'll get back to that later when I've refilled my LN2 dewar and figured out a way to raise the OVP even further (did that with 1.28VGPU, 1.82VMEM).

A full mod guide (sort of) for the Cyclone is available here: http://www.nordichardware.se/testlabb/292-nhoc/41324-msi-n460gtx-cyclone-en-modguide.html

(In swedish, but pictures are in english)

I got close to beating at least one Hawk.

 

I heard there are some bad ass scores coming in, but this whole Cyclone experience was quite fun. Maybe I'll get back to that later when I've refilled my LN2 dewar and figured out a way to raise the OVP even further (did that with 1.28VGPU, 1.82VMEM).

 

A full mod guide (sort of) for the Cyclone is available here: http://www.nordichardware.se/testlabb/292-nhoc/41324-msi-n460gtx-cyclone-en-modguide.html

(In swedish, but pictures are in english)

Nice mod u did there mate

Ryba's score just in, a really nice 1275Mhz GPU Core ()b

Waiting for other hawks...

Congrats to all of you guys, and thanks to MeanMachine for sharing the vmod

Congrats ryba, nice score. I can't figure out how pissed I'd be with myself if that score didn't show up, with that 70 point margin to Lucky_n00b.

NOW I have to go to bed for real. I was a bit too excited to do that when I said I would.

Congrats ryba, nice score. I can't figure out how pissed I'd be with myself if that score didn't show up, with that 70 point margin to Lucky_n00b.

 

NOW I have to go to bed for real. I was a bit too excited to do that when I said I would.

Ah yes, It's ONLY 70 pts difference :D

Time for bed as well, good luck for your interview bro