112 pts Ryba

Hi all,

My question is whether to use the same cpu for all tests?

Memory can be changed in each test?

thanks

can use whatever you want man, x79 and z77

Then you can use for Fire strike x79 and z77 for 32m? valid to two different CPUs in the same classification?

yes sure

wow Perfect

thanks

Are allowed cpu ES? 3960X ES?

retail only I believe

Perfect thanks

even for cinebench the vga MUST BE MSI brand and Cannot be TITAN ?

Cinebench is a CPU bench, so VGA brand or model should not matter.

haaa giorgio, i guess all your VGA are ready for LN2, and the only one which is still under stock cooler is your titan

anyone else having trouble with psc on msi mobos lol?

gonna have to go for samsungs, lets hope it holds up on ln2.

anyone care to share what efficiencies you are hitting at 5ghz on these boards? mpower / gd 65.

im getting around 6min 21 ish

I'm having troubles as well, but your efficiency is better than mine.

I don't start 32M yet, just some pretest yesterday with CINEBENCH, test hynix and PSC on gd65 and no trouble, but I don't push really hard, just 1300c11 on hynix and 1200c8-11-7-28 on PSc @1.65 but every things works fine, no boot issue. What is your problème with PSC ? don't boot or can't run 32M ? On asus mobo with PSC you have to manage BCLK to run 32M, otherwise "not exact". I can test 5g with PSc tomorrow if you want

Thanks wizerty that would be nice!

I dont have any trouble booting. It just clocks horribly. 1200 is fine, but up to 1280 region its newrly impossible to pass 32m for me. But i think its msi board in general. Try a 32m and see how it does im curious to know. Thanks man

Guys use slots closest to CPU for mem, and avoid 2600 divider it's maddddd slow, like slower than 2400 same timings

haaa, I make some test , I try to boot full dimm with PSC and no-way. No-boot or boot @1333 ( set @2400 in bios).

with only 2 dimm @2600 I can't boot, but my stick are "ready for LN2", so chip are naked and i don't what to increase Vmem, but in same condition (1.65v), on asus board, I can bench 32M @1280. I try to fix it tomorow and lets you know the result

haaa, I make some test , I try to boot full dimm with PSC and no-way. No-boot or boot @1333 ( set @2400 in bios).

with only 2 dimm @2600 I can't boot, but my stick are "ready for LN2", so chip are naked and i don't what to increase Vmem, but in same condition (1.65v), on asus board, I can bench 32M @1280. I try to fix it tomorow and lets you know the result

Painful experience isn't it, knowing your ram can run "x" settings and then fails so hard on the MSI lol.

Are you on the GD65 or the MPower?

GD65, but fast pre test, I hope it's just a "wrong subtiming". If not, I'm out... without good chip, and without 1300+ ram byebye 32m . Need @1800+ lightning

Will soon test psc on mpower too

Wish me luck

Will soon test psc on mpower too

Wish me luck

Max what I can do with PSC on Mpower - 2600 7-11-7-28, BBSE is totally unstable in my case

question : if participants has equal points , how will the winner be determined ?

let it be a question for both classes A & B .

thanks.

Also didnt understand the number of people who will be qualified.

50% or minimum 10. If B class EMEA has 9 people all of them will be qualified and will compete all of Class B? Or only 50% of EMEA will be qualified

Looks like we're 10 atmo (my tm an me 8+2) Good question btw FK. If 30: 15, 40: 20 but 10: 10 ??

It seems nobody's reacting about the comp... are we so few?

Count me in

It seems nobody's reacting about the comp... are we so few?

Why are you surprised?

I am personally tired with MSI. Despite the fact that their products have potencial...

My story:

I asked HQ about ABX for 7790, I got the answer that AMD forbids, so I asked about vmods or datasheet, but nothing, I also asked about cold slow bioses and nothing. So it only confirmed me to participate Class A where there is normal hardware. Okay, so it appeared my Xpower II board is missing 4 resistors (soldering pads are okay) so I asked about values few times - nothing, and it's not a very big secret, cause everyone with a DMM can measure it. Okay, so I had backup plan to use my second MSI board, X79A-GD65 when it comes from RMA but I got the reply from MSI POLISH RMA center that board can be replaced for a new one but without warranty or I can send it again through the shop to get a new one with warranty. Meantime, my retail Lightning 7970 with invoice was considered to be ES card and not replaced (it's not the first time with Lightnings).

Add to all of this the fact that I have to "risk" golden cpus in MSI boards, there are no teams, Lightnings 7970 or Xpower II boards are not available to buy (and cards magically appear to be "ES samples" when RMA)... and no one wants to help.

And consider the fact that in EU we had biggest qualifications ever (AOOC 2013)...

I wanted to take part a lot, I was looking forward MOA Qualifier, but simply if MSI doesn't want/care OCers to join it...Such contests should be fun, in my case is only stress, time consuming RMA which is rejected, fighting for replacing products or trying to buy HW @ abroad and fighting customs...

Of course a lot of guys are sandbagging, so some results will be published in last day, and I know that few great ocers will not participate but I am still hoping that it will be a success.

Personally, I don't have motivation, I am too tired, risking other boards/cards only later to get info from RMA center that it can be replaced for no warranty part (despite the fact it was from official distribution with an invoice) or hearing that another Lightning is ES Sample and so on (all retails bought from official distribution with my private money) and losing so much time, nerves and $. Now I have only Mpower board and I can fight SuperPI, no X79 MSI board yet, no Lightning 7970. I am not sure if I want to mod ref card with Epower to do results. In theory I should have all necessary hardware alive/replaced/benching now, but it seems so obvious for me, that MSI doesn't want me in the competition so I guess I have no choice but give up. Maybe if on time I have MSI X79 I will do results, but it's very unlikely now.

"Okay, so it appeared my Xpower II board is missing 4 resistors (soldering pads are okay) so I asked about values few times"

If you still need this, send me a picture and I can try to look in my board.

@Vivi : I don't forgot your request, but to much works....

For my participation, It depend of LN2 supplier. They can't deliver before next week. If it's monday it will be good, otherwise

@Xtreme Addict: You have too much MSI products making bad advertise to them, you know. They will be kind with you when their hw become trustfull lol

I' feel the same about puting a good chip in those boards

Edit: We all know the mess it has been for ya back in the days, so much boards and CPUs for qualifiers....

Add to all of this the fact that I have to "risk" golden cpus in MSI boards, there are no teams,

oh yeahh .. few years ago 2 msi boards killed 2 good sandys .. and died themselves .. after that I`m afraid of its boards)) ...

" I' feel the same about puting a good chip in those boards "

No problem bro, you don't have good chip . Perfect board for you, who care to kill a 1.5v @5Ghz chip ???

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Xtreme Addict : Do you use ABx (private ED) on your 7970L ? Perhaps it's the reason why they said "ES" card ? Really not sure about that, just a question

Not talking about this one!!! (you freakin troll )

what are you all on about? I have had more ASUS boards die and take good chips than any other brand. it’s not the vendor, it’s the nature of what we do. take part or don't but blaming the vendor is just weak as for abx and cold slow, you can't expect everything to be handed to you on a platter, everyone has the same limitation so just do the best with what you have, be happy and just get on with it. I very much doubt anyone is conspiring against you to keep you out or at a disadvantage or maybe they are who knows.

We'll see if it can counterbalance... at once!

About limitation, admit that it is lame, evenmore when you know your CPU is one of them

Looks like we're 10 atmo (my tm an me 8+2) Good question btw FK. If 30: 15, 40: 20 but 10: 10 ??

drweez it always depends on hands.dll also but stats show that MSI mobos (not talking about VGAs!) have the worst OC reputation among TOP3 vendors all over the community. I've got my own 'bitchy story' that is not published yet. Just not to harm MSI's reputation much with bad words and not to argue with local office where good guys work.

I think everyone has horror stories about all vendors. That MSI is not an exception is not really a surprise. Asus has their Maximus V extreme sudden death story, Gigabyte that 1156 socket burn, Asrock with the

I think the community just tends to bash MSI or sensationalize their failure more than other brands. Perhaps because the relations with HQ are less tight than with other companies? Or because there's not really a full-time in-house active overclocker there?

"Okay, so it appeared my Xpower II board is missing 4 resistors (soldering pads are okay) so I asked about values few times"

 

If you still need this, send me a picture and I can try to look in my board.

I have value of 3 resitors, one is capacitor which is not so easy to check exactly value without unsoldering it and using correct tools

@Xtreme Addict: You have too much MSI products making bad advertise to them, you know. They will be kind with you when their hw become trustfull lol

I' feel the same about puting a good chip in those boards

 

Edit: We all know the mess it has been for ya back in the days, so much boards and CPUs for qualifiers....

BAD PR would be if I would describe all my adventures with MSI :D I only answered your question why qualifiers are so far not so popular and described my case why it's almost impossible now for me to take part, cause thx to MSI I don't have HW

oh yeahh .. few years ago 2 msi boards killed 2 good sandys .. and died themselves .. after that I`m afraid of its boards)) ...

Sometimes it happens, I remember in P67/Z68 MSI boards mosfet burned killing CPUs

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Xtreme Addict : Do you use ABx (private ED) on your 7970L ? Perhaps it's the reason why they said "ES" card ? Really not sure about that, just a question

It's bunnyextraction, I heard few versions, like each lightning has it's private "codes" in bioses connected to the SN, special markings on PCB and so on, which is not true. And retails with invoices transforms in ES Samples, despite the fact no one send me free Lightning sample... and not whole box of those Something isn't working in my country, and I am not able to fight it anymore. Too many $ lost.

what are you all on about? I have had more ASUS boards die and take good chips than any other brand. it’s not the vendor, it’s the nature of what we do. take part or don't but blaming the vendor is just weak as for abx and cold slow, you can't expect everything to be handed to you on a platter, everyone has the same limitation so just do the best with what you have, be happy and just get on with it. I very much doubt anyone is conspiring against you to keep you out or at a disadvantage or maybe they are who knows.

I agree with that we always risk hw on LN2. But statistics are brutal - Asus boards are the most popular, and you mostly hear that CPU died on MSI board.

About Coldslow bios/abx or mods - it's MOA, it should be available. I don't think that using LN2 on 7790 wih -10*C slowdown is a fun. Or using LN2 (Which is not that cheap as water...) to get 30 MHz more cause there are not enough mods. Epower is always the option for volts, but coldslowdown will also affect Epowered card.

If there are only 10 10 will qualify. 50% rule does have lower priority in this case. It has been stated somewhere around here long time ago.

 

drweez it always depends on hands.dll also but stats show that MSI mobos (not talking about VGAs!) have the worst OC reputation among TOP3 vendors all over the community. I've got my own 'bunnyy story' that is not published yet. Just not to harm MSI's reputation much with bad words and not to argue with local office where good guys work.

MSI GPUs - best, but the most fragile

MSI MOBOs - let's say they are better than in the past. For instance Xpower II Bing Bang is after R4E/R4F best board. Mpower Z77 is not so tragic, it can be benched (but not too good for 2D), but for single GPU is okay.

I think everyone has horror stories about all vendors. That MSI is not an exception is not really a surprise. Asus has their Maximus V extreme sudden death story, Gigabyte that 1156 socket burn, Asrock with the

 

I think the community just tends to bash MSI or sensationalize their failure more than other brands. Perhaps because the relations with HQ are less tight than with other companies? Or because there's not really a full-time in-house active overclocker there?

Each Vendor had some worse moments, that's for sure. But MSI killing CPUs is a common problem from few generations, by statistics lol.

MSI has potencial, MOA -biggest and oldest annual contest, Lightnings/Hawks which are mostly the best. Boards are getting better with each generation now in fact. New Z87 seem to be not bad, finally there will be soon MSI boards at launch with normal PWM (Mpower Max/Xpower), I hope also that soon there will be added 01se tweaks/spi and so on...

But now there is a problem with support. This MOA is a bit released without a proper preparation, like bioses, tools or voltmods. Also MSI should be more eager to help ocers, especially when they need some non secret informations. Good connection with OC community would be also great, like Dino/hicookie - GB, Andre/Shamino/slamms - Asus, Nick Shih - Asrock, to start listening about some issues. MSI has potencial to be nr 1 in OC community, but now they are more and more running away from it.

I am too tired to buy retails MSI in Poland and not because products are bad, but the support/warranty/availability of highends is inappropriate. I simply can't lose so many $ each time.

I hope this event will be a success and there will be MOA 2014. First rules were bad, but MSI changed it a bit to make it more friendly. It was a very good move. It's still not perfect, but acceptable. I wish I could organize hw (which I should have) to participate, but now it's simply not possible and there is not much time left.

^bro Idk if this is the right thread for this maybe start a new topic and not shat on the contest one

I think everyone has horror stories about all vendors. That MSI is not an exception is not really a surprise. Asus has their Maximus V extreme sudden death story, Gigabyte that 1156 socket burn, Asrock with the

 

I think the community just tends to bash MSI or sensationalize their failure more than other brands.

Would agree with you if there were no dozens of stories about sudden MoBo + CPU deaths without any overclocking, in ordinary users' PCs. But they are. MSI Dr.MOS rocks burns

Anyway must agree with Splave. It's not the right place for it here.

Coming back to topic - is there any LN2 friendly bios for X79A-GD45 8D?

Coming back to topic - is there any LN2 friendly bios for X79A-GD45 8D?

the latest bios, latest bioses are always the best

phsyc!

Okay, be careful MOA participants:

My benching...

I am booting OS -100*C

5500 MHz @ 1.6v (my Golden 3770K)

I opened CPU-Z, SPI 32M, voltages measured by Digital Multimeters

I am cooling down MSI Mpower Z77

I cooled it down to -180*C

DMM showed that board gave 2.01v on CPU and board rebooted and FF

I was only cooling down the board...

Just because it's you my friend ...yeah! Who was pointing the same awefull bug just before? Hope there will be no incident

glad im done 32m

Okay, be careful MOA participants:

 

My benching...

 

I am booting OS -100*C

5500 MHz @ 1.6v (my Golden 3770K)

I opened CPU-Z, SPI 32M, voltages measured by Digital Multimeters

 

I am cooling down MSI Mpower Z77

 

I cooled it down to -180*C

DMM showed that board gave 2.01v on CPU and board rebooted and FF

 

I was only cooling down the board...

must be a meme in there somewhere :battle:

@ XA - could be just your board too.. seen some interesting variations in characteristics just using 1x Mpower over another..

*I bring vcore over ~1.87v in the OS though.. and not in BIOS, as cold booting high-vcore has been where I have seen catastrophic failure with them. vDroop starts getting increasingly worse as you tip 1.9v.

fast pretest yesterday GD65 + cold, 6.4Ghz @1.8v for firestike physix (set 1.84v to have 1.8v, kind of offset, I always need to set 0.03/0.04v above that i want, even in IDLE). Digital Multimeters don't show Vdrop in load, just this "offset". I try to make 32M, but trouble with PCS, so I used hynix 2133c9 and my OS lost USB driver, no way to connect mouse.... make 2 or 3 32M, but without mousse -> no validation, too boring to open 3x CPU-Z, make screen shoot.... and without mousse no CW, no tweak... max at 6.56Ghz (6.65+ on asus/giga board) and, sit down, 5.19min @6.56 worst run I ever see. I Hope to have LN2 @home before the end. So board works fine, no cb, no cbb... but ram compatibility is not good

OMG bro So sorry!! Looks like Mpower is a bit less tricky than GD65 Gaming for us...

I'm not sure, lot of people have trouble with PSC on Mpower to...

All seemed fine last night... let's see under cold tomorrow...

@ XA - could be just your board too.. seen some interesting variations in characteristics just using 1x Mpower over another..

 

*I bring vcore over ~1.87v in the OS though.. and not in BIOS, as cold booting high-vcore has been where I have seen catastrophic failure with them. vDroop starts getting increasingly worse as you tip 1.9v.

I was setting 1.8v in bios and the dmm would show about 1.85v with only 2 cores. Then I switched to 4c/8t and all of a sudden was booting in 1.95v+ and would get near 2v under load. That was at the same 1.8v set in bios. Even memory voltage spiked up reaching over 2v, where previously it was around 1.88v and set to 1.85v in bios.

for 6.9 I was booting 1.6v and 5.5ghz from bios all done in OS

was booting 1.6v and 5.5ghz from bios

like a boss

all done in OS

like a boss

Hi big and pro oc guys.

I'm totally new on this, but this is an amazing (and expensive) hobby.

I read all the previous pages and Xtreme_addictt should receive and big present from MSI for all those "problems", now, talking about the MOA Classifications I think that maybe you guys can help me on this.

I can boot at 5.5GHz with 1.6V 2C/4T and SP32M stable with 3770K and -120°C. My problem is that I can't get a similar performance that you guys have over here, I'm running Dominator GT 2133MHz 9-11-10-27-1T. My best time for now is 6,04 at 5.7GHz.

I'm running an MPower Z77 that's totally new for me since my previous z77 was Asus. I'm not sure about PLL voltage and I can't see a lot of options that v gene have. I tried from OS 5.8GHz and was not successful.

As you can see, I'm totally nOOb and I know that get one ticket is out of my possibilities but at least I want to do something decent since I bought this board exclusively for MOA, after this I have to re-sell it (if is alive at that time) and maybe GPU and CPU too. Can you guys help me out with some advice?

Thanks and keep pushing it...

@ Mikecdm - Thats one crazy overvolt for sure! The Mpower I have, only has ~+.15v on CPU and vDIMM, running 100% droop options, with 2x Switching Freq.. which is very tolerable.

*You using the Aux power connection on the board by chance?

like a boss

 

like a boss

 

 

 

 

 

 

need this today thanks mate

Just a heads up to people who are just interested in the second part of the contest: make sure to qualify for the semi-final by passing through the qualifier phase first!

tomorrow LN2 delivery canceled... I try to schedule a new one on wednesday, but time is to short , and i can't take a day off... I start crying now ?

massman, what happens if there is a tie? best pi score determines?

Well I've had problems with mpower,

For now my cpu is dead good 3770K @ 6930mhz 32m

Also died one msi 7970 oc reference

As just testing.

Good luck and careful with your 3770K.

The 3D benchmark. Fire Strike for Class A, 3DMark11 for Class B.

Dam.... LN2 truck just arrived and ran over 3 of my tanks and hit the garage door WTF.... the things we do for MOA.

Click to view full size!

lol

Damn!

I hope you got a discount!

No idea how in Australia, but in Poland garage doors cost like 100-200 euro, but one dewar 1000 euro lol

LOL ....yeah dewar around $1500 each.... garage door $3000-$3500

Dewars can be alive, depends how "strong" they were hit, small chance but still

yeah they seem to be holding ok... but insurance will replace them.... fingers crossed

Drunk? oO Checked if it really was LN² in them? OMG

wooow i would be pissed! those beaaaatiful tanks :<

Damn dude, that's a tragedy!

Good to hear insurance is taking care of things though. I still would have been piiiissed.

Hope that you can still compete, and get a vary good scores...

Thanks guys,

@ Perica ... giving it a fare crack mate...Cheers

Is this real life? lol i dont even....

I don't know what sand baggers im competing against.

So true Vivi

I expect a Polish guy arriving in 3 days 4hrs and 25 mn

So true Vivi

 

I expect a Polish guy arriving in 3 days 4hrs and 25 mn

you mean girl! for EMEA atleast

Guess it's not a real girl undoubtly ss ssi! (his behaviour is even more unstable than the boards lol)

Sorry, but it is well deserved...

I don't know what sand baggers im competing against.

 

There are very few AFAIK. You can guess the names, at least one for sure -)

I'm also in the game since today. 've finally got my reference 7970 board

So true Vivi

 

I expect a Polish guy arriving in 3 days 4hrs and 25 mn

haha you mean ryba or me?

I don't have yet final results to post

No need to name, everybody knows my friend

You don't make sandbag. You do gifts to OC gods lol

No need to name, everybody knows my friend

 

You don't make sandbag. You do gifts to OC gods lol

Haha to be honest, sandbagging is the part of this game now. Maybe I am wrong, but when you see the "limit" which you have to bypass to win, it's more easy to reach the goal, it's my personal feeling. In fact last hours of the events are very interesting, I am always buying few beers and watching, I am not totally sure if it's a wrong thing in fact. I missed lucky draw deadline so in fact I don't have to rush. I will participate, I have now all needed results, maybe not winners yet, but also not that shabby. I will bench today and tomorrow, if needed, I will bench to the last minutes of the event (as I mostly do in fact). Meantime, I made a lot of sacrifices to OC GODS lol

Haha to be honest, sandbagging is the part of this game now. Maybe I am wrong, but when you see the "limit" which you have to bypass to win, it's more easy to reach the goal, it's my personal feeling. In fact last hours of the events are very interesting, I am always buying few beers and watching, I am not totally sure if it's a wrong thing in fact. I missed lucky draw deadline so in fact I don't have to rush. I will participate, I have now all needed results, maybe not winners yet, but also not that shabby. I will bench today and tomorrow, if needed, I will bench to the last minutes of the event (as I mostly do in fact). Meantime, I made a lot of sacrifices to OC GODS lol

i have nothing against sandbagging, im doing it now . I just want to know WHO is entering. Like running a marathon, you dont have to be in the lead but i wanna see you!

i have nothing against sandbagging, im doing it now . I just want to know WHO is entering. Like running a marathon, you dont have to be in the lead but i wanna see you!

Yap, I also like to know participants

Haha to be honest, sandbagging is the part of this game now. Maybe I am wrong, but when you see the "limit" which you have to bypass to win, it's more easy to reach the goal, it's my personal feeling...

I agree!! I always say to my friends ... they are two types of the overclocker's the pioneering, and that precurrem this truck already opened with better hardware!

I think it would be funny to make up a contest that lasts up to 30 days and win how stay more time on first, because there will be a different fight and without these sandbagging!

When i participate i allway set one score on the begin, for all other user´s know i´m in and i love when the other ppl do the same!!

I agree!! I always say to my friends ... they are two types of the overclocker's the pioneering, and that precurrem this truck already opened with better hardware!

 

I think it would be funny to make up a contest that lasts up to 30 days and win how stay more time on first, because there will be a different fight and without these sandbagging!

 

When i participate i allway set one score on the begin, for all other user´s know i´m in and i love when the other ppl do the same!!

Fair play...

I'm 4th now, but pretty sure that I will go down in the last hours or minutes.

still benching will enter last hour....to be clear

still benching will enter last hour....to be clear

so its not your 6150 firestrike run drweez spotted on the orb? . judging from all the corsair equipment could be rbauss, then again he said he was taking it easy

I agree too bros. I think we all do. Maybe it is the moment to set up some rules of fair play in comps.

Suscribe or submit a first score before a certain date... we all know each other and which support or skill of most contestants.

Like Master Georgio said : "to be clear" I will not enter last minute, even if I have the hw... for both class A and B!!

No LN2, no vacation and ofc not enough skill to compete against best of you!

I hope for better situation next year! Whish you the best and push hard! Till the last second

Isn't this what the new two-stage is actually for?

Though they might have slightly overdone it by making stages way too long...

The main problem is that many guys get hw in the last days of competition.

Why not make a competition end at 'random' (at least non-publically-known) time? Say, let it run for 3 weeks and end at 'random' time during the fourth one. This way all the sandbaggers will upload their results at the end of 3rd week, and diehard-hollywood-last second benchers will have all the info plus some extra adrenaline from the competition being able to end on any second

"hwbot is commiting fraud by manually applying the closing time right when their favorite submit the best result"

The main problem is that many guys get hw in the last days of competition.

Yup, there are developing countries like India where even if you want to buy a hardware, it simply might not be available. Distributors take order from known customers and then import them, all of which takes time.

Why not make a competition end at 'random' (at least non-publically-known) time? Say, let it run for 3 weeks and end at 'random' time during the fourth one. This way all the sandbaggers will upload their results at the end of 3rd week, and diehard-hollywood-last second benchers will have all the info plus some extra adrenaline from the competition being able to end on any second

NIce idea Sam!

Beer and popcorn game ...safe way to play russian roulette lol

"hwbot is commiting fraud by manually applying the closing time right when their favorite submit the best result"

or, another random idea - why not let it run for three weeks and then let it close when activity falls below certain threshold? (measured in, say, new competitors or results per unit of time)

I suggested this months ago.

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People you really want to do OC Contests totally unfriendly by crazy rules and stop ocers to participate?

RULES MUST BE CLEAR, UNDERSTANDABLE AND AS FAIR AS THEY CAN

You have to realize that OCers (most of us) work or study, we have private lives, we don't have possibility to spend all time for contests. Most of us plan taking part in big contests like MOA or AOOC or LOC, some of working guys specially for this occasion take free days at work and so on. Other matter is hw availability. Sometimes we have to import some hw from abroad to take part cause in many countries some parts are not available, or even buying handpicked hw, it's impossible to buy golden samples from the same overclocker, or few in the same country Shipping takes time, the same - customs. Moreover, not everyone has 24/7 LN2, some of us only can refill dewars in certain days or simply sometimes wait until there is fresh delivery, because ln2 is over and sometimes it takes few weeks... And LN2 also cost and most contests aren't on the hw which ocers want to overclock (I mean combination - most of OCers use MSI Lightnings + Asus board), especially some stages of older HW. Results are mostly made only for contest. Now imagine - someone buys hw, buys LN2, has just got great scores and want to publish them but the concept of OC contest was "after 3 weeks it will be shut down randomly" and it appears it was shut down 5 minutes before...

The concept which proposed Franscisco is interesting though, if developed properly, it could be fun to take part in such contest.

BTW, why OCers don't like sandbagging? In fact it makes the game harder, and I think we are serious players. During contests sometimes we are going to do big sacrifices, crazy mods, things to score a bit better, tweak OS as hell and so on, cause "someone can have high backup" . Moreover, last hours and minutes of big events are interesting a lot

If HWBOT or Vendors don't want to have sandbagging, simply prepare weekly prizes for highest scores or something which will want us to show best scores In some contests elimination time (like MOA 2012) also shows who can and will participate, but it has to be in reasonable time frames.

I am getting back to benching right now, I hope I won't zorch any MSI Today I got my X79A-GD65 finally. If I hadn't repaired Xpower II (with help of friends) earlier, today, would be the first they to do scores for some stages for me

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People you really want to do OC Contests totally unfriendly by crazy rules and stop ocers to participate?

 

RULES MUST BE CLEAR, UNDERSTANDABLE AND AS FAIR AS THEY CAN

 

You have to realize that OCers (most of us) work or study, we have private lives, we don't have possibility to spend all time for contests. Most of us plan taking part in big contests like MOA or AOOC or LOC, some of working guys specially for this occasion take free days at work and so on. Other matter is hw availability. Sometimes we have to import some hw from abroad to take part cause in many countries some parts are not available, or even buying handpicked hw, it's impossible to buy golden samples from the same overclocker, or few in the same country Shipping takes time, the same - customs. Moreover, not everyone has 24/7 LN2, some of us only can refill dewars in certain days or simply sometimes wait until there is fresh delivery, because ln2 is over and sometimes it takes few weeks... And LN2 also cost and most contests aren't on the hw which ocers want to overclock (I mean combination - most of OCers use MSI Lightnings + Asus board), especially some stages of older HW. Results are mostly made only for contest. Now imagine - someone buys hw, buys LN2, has just got great scores and want to publish them but the concept of OC contest was "after 3 weeks it will be shut down randomly" and it appears it was shut down 5 minutes before...

 

The concept which proposed Franscisco is interesting though, if developed properly, it could be fun to take part in such contest.

 

BTW, why OCers don't like sandbagging? In fact it makes the game harder, and I think we are serious players. During contests sometimes we are going to do big sacrifices, crazy mods, things to score a bit better, tweak OS as hell and so on, cause "someone can have high backup" . Moreover, last hours and minutes of big events are interesting a lot

 

If HWBOT or Vendors don't want to have sandbagging, simply prepare weekly prizes for highest scores or something which will want us to show best scores In some contests elimination time (like MOA 2012) also shows who can and will participate, but it has to be in reasonable time frames.

 

I am getting back to benching right now, I hope I won't zorch any MSI Today I got my X79A-GD65 finally. If I hadn't repaired Xpower II (with help of friends) earlier, today, would be the first they to do scores for some stages for me

I agree with you brother,

Here ln2 be quite expensive, and sometimes is a bit difficult to find hardware when many months ago and no longer for sale.

I have had many problems with the cpu, 3960X C1 rectail not work with any msi x79 motherboard, because the microcode is not added.

I bought at the end GD45 PLUS 3960X X79 for my c1 to work with MSI boards.

I have also had very bad luck because I have been burned a lot of material in my town is so hot now and I live near the beach so I have very high humidity.

Hardware tested:

MSI X79 XPOWER2 DEAD

MSI X79 GD45 GOOD PLUS

MSI Z77 GD80 DEAD

MSI 7970 OC DEAD

I7 3770K @ 6930MHZ DEAD

If you've been unlucky but asin is life.

I hope all this may do some hardware loss.

I have tried many neither 7970 1550core passes.

luck to all

pardon my English, is through still translator and does not always mean the same thing in a language

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People you really want to do OC Contests totally unfriendly by crazy rules and stop ocers to participate?

 

RULES MUST BE CLEAR, UNDERSTANDABLE AND AS FAIR AS THEY CAN

 

You have to realize that OCers (most of us) work or study, we have private lives, we don't have possibility to spend all time for contests. Most of us plan taking part in big contests like MOA or AOOC or LOC, some of working guys specially for this occasion take free days at work and so on. Other matter is hw availability. Sometimes we have to import some hw from abroad to take part cause in many countries some parts are not available, or even buying handpicked hw, it's impossible to buy golden samples from the same overclocker, or few in the same country Shipping takes time, the same - customs. Moreover, not everyone has 24/7 LN2, some of us only can refill dewars in certain days or simply sometimes wait until there is fresh delivery, because ln2 is over and sometimes it takes few weeks... And LN2 also cost and most contests aren't on the hw which ocers want to overclock (I mean combination - most of OCers use MSI Lightnings + Asus board), especially some stages of older HW. Results are mostly made only for contest. Now imagine - someone buys hw, buys LN2, has just got great scores and want to publish them but the concept of OC contest was "after 3 weeks it will be shut down randomly" and it appears it was shut down 5 minutes before...

 

The concept which proposed Franscisco is interesting though, if developed properly, it could be fun to take part in such contest.

 

BTW, why OCers don't like sandbagging? In fact it makes the game harder, and I think we are serious players. During contests sometimes we are going to do big sacrifices, crazy mods, things to score a bit better, tweak OS as hell and so on, cause "someone can have high backup" . Moreover, last hours and minutes of big events are interesting a lot

 

If HWBOT or Vendors don't want to have sandbagging, simply prepare weekly prizes for highest scores or something which will want us to show best scores In some contests elimination time (like MOA 2012) also shows who can and will participate, but it has to be in reasonable time frames.

 

I am getting back to benching right now, I hope I won't zorch any MSI Today I got my X79A-GD65 finally. If I hadn't repaired Xpower II (with help of friends) earlier, today, would be the first they to do scores for some stages for me

Very nice post, aptly sums up all the problems atleast I face. For many sandbagging maybe a problem (is it really?) and for many, participation itself is a big deal.

My 7970 Lightning is dead, without even taking an air score, . Just hoping RMA goes smooth.

Okay, be careful MOA participants:

 

My benching...

 

I am booting OS -100*C

5500 MHz @ 1.6v (my Golden 3770K)

I opened CPU-Z, SPI 32M, voltages measured by Digital Multimeters

 

I am cooling down MSI Mpower Z77

 

I cooled it down to -180*C

DMM showed that board gave 2.01v on CPU and board rebooted and FF

 

I was only cooling down the board...

Just because it's you my friend ...yeah! Who was pointing the same awefull bug just before? Hope there will be no incident

It was me that this happened to. I was messing around with my 3770K at ~1.70V on the MSI Z77A-GD65. I open up CPU-Z and it shows 2.3V (or something like that) and board immediately turns off, there's a bit of burnt electronics smell, and then dead chip and board.

Sounds like there's a definite bug in all of this...

It was me that this happened to. I was messing around with my 3770K at ~1.70V on the MSI Z77A-GD65. I open up CPU-Z and it shows 2.3V (or something like that) and board immediately turns off, there's a bit of burnt electronics smell, and then dead chip and board.

 

Sounds like there's a definite bug in all of this...

ami just happened to me,

I was in windows 5200mhz 2666mem -150 1.5vt burning smell

and cpu died.

Which board?

M for murderous power

guys i don't think anyone is against sandbagging, just wanna know who is in the comp. maybe a registration period is all that is needed, not even submit score but "register" for the competition before a certain time.

Im using the GD-65 gaming now and its lovely, its alot faster than the GD-65 and much more stable on the volts. I dont know how they did it because its the same PCB but there definitely is a difference

Interesting findings So it seems they have better bios (gaming series)

About volts - from what I see each MSI board (the same model) but different samples, each board is different about voltages lol

Interesting findings So it seems they have better bios (gaming series)

 

About volts - from what I see each MSI board (the same model) but different samples, each board is different about voltages lol

Yup.. It seems to some 1.5-1.7V is actually 2.1-2.5V

Someone have a "magictweak" to clock on Xpower II ? max bench @5460 with difficulty on xpower II, rock stable @5555 on R4E .

Dam.... LN2 truck just arrived and ran over 3 of my tanks and hit the garage door WTF.... the things we do for MOA.

LN2 guy pissed again!!

If that didn't cost you cash it would be funny - lol

Someone have a "magictweak" to clock on Xpower II ? max bench @5460 with difficulty on xpower II, rock stable @5555 on R4E .

Nope. Only R4E/R4F and new EVGA DARK have "hardware tweak" to clock cpus higher

Well someone needs to have a word with MSI...

Okay guys I'm done. Have to sleep now and good luck for the last-day benchers!

Results will be published in the morning or when I get up -)) don't like sandbagging in its classic form.

I suggest Hwbot create a Sandbagging tool...

So... when the overclockers submit their scores, they can choose the time to the score be public...

Interesting idea. What about combining that with an option "at end of competition" and then have the scores posted in sequence at the end of the competition for an hour or so

Interesting idea. What about combining that with an option "at end of competition" and then have the scores posted in sequence at the end of the competition for an hour or so

Musthave!

And nobody will worry about 'last-hour-hwbot-crash'

Start your engines gentlemen!

I suggest Hwbot create a Sandbagging tool...

So... when the overclockers submit their scores, they can choose the time to the score be public...

Awesome idea

Massman, it's very good idea;).If all goes this way, it will not be those people who constantly are participating in the finals .

BTW, it's allow to use integrated graphics?))

That the sandbag begins....

i'm done.....everything went in the worst way ...............

see you on the second round .....

I am also done benching...

MSI: 3, XA: 0

...

4hour to reach 1400Mhz on 7970L, try 12.11, 13.4, 13.6,change powersupply, change bios... can't find any solution on Xpoxer II. Finaly put the VGA on GD65 and 1640Mhz very easily. make some run @1670, but score was not good. I don't know what's happend. To bad VGA RAM not good, but GPU is very strong.

Now MB won't boot, don't make 32M yet. Time to put all the stuff in the oven .

Final minutes.. silence...

Lol