Westsider's i7 960 records removed from HWBOT

Maintaining an overclocking database holding over 400.000 results is definitely not an easy task and once in a while people question the legitimacy of certain scores. Georgian overclocker Westsider has very recently submitted world record breaking scores in the Wprime 4xCPU categories and the details of the scores made some people suspicious about the scores. High voltage and extreme cold have never gone hand in hand with the Bloomfield CPUs, just to name two reasons.

In the recent submission of 3.91s with the i7 960 clocked at 5880MHz, some other strange things occur that lead us to know for certain the result has been tampered with. As everyone knows, the multiplier in front of the L1 and L2 cache indicates how many physical cores have been enabled. If all 4 cores are enabled, this will show as 4x ... not the 2x as indicated in the screenshot. It's not a bug, that's for sure.

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Unfortunately, this is Westsider's second strike here at HWBOT. We give everyone a second chance, but then it's over. His account has been removed and will not be lifted in the future.


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Belgium richba5tard says:

Boo! No third strike at the bot, second strike is your last one.

Iran Olesius says:

We give everyone a second chance, but then it's over. His account has been removed and will not be lifted in the future.

i have a question?!

//EDIT by moderator: This is no place to discuss any other topics. Keep this thread clean.

Georgia Fatal Fighter says:

not the 2x as indicated in the screenshot. It's not a bug, that's for sure.
u really sure in that ??????!!!!!!

United States BenchZowner says:

psycho aka kurumi CPU-z time now maybe ? ;)

Germany Afrokalle says:

I did not see the strange and wrong multiplier for the L1 & L2 Cache when i looked at this screen the first time but a Bloomfield Chip that clocks so good with so much cold and eats voltage up to 2.0v+ is more then hard to believe...

...but an Bloomfield IMC that does 5.1GHz Uncore with -185°C is impossible i think.

unknown JuMPeR_15 says:

*strip* this is your stupid CPU-Z fault.

you are envy that we got world record

//EDIT: keep the language clean

Iran Olesius says:

//EDIT by moderator: This is no place to discuss any other topics. Keep this thread clean.

ok, where can we say our problem?!

my friend has been banned with 170p and no one is accountable!!!!!!!! :|

United States Splave says:

good riddance, sad that people actually cheat.

Georgia BeR0 says:

Please Restore Westsider's Account, He Didn't cheat about this recor, It's CPU-Z Mistake!!!!

Georgia Fatal Fighter says:

SPLAVE u sure my friend that he cheated ?? lmr that was cpu-z program fault.

Belgium Massman says:

We have 4 other reasons (excluding the temperature and voltage) to know it's a cheat. This is not a CPU-Z bug ... I think it's time for you to accept that.

Georgia utilizatori says:

well, if it's bug not the cheat ?!

Belgium Massman says:

It's definitly not a bug ...

Georgia utilizatori says:

Massman said: We have 4 other reasons (excluding the temperature and voltage) to know it's a cheat.

This is not a CPU-Z bug ... I think it's time for you to accept that.


can you tell us the reasons?
I hope westsider soon will post about what's wrong and what's not

United States BenchZowner says:

Guys this is 10000000000000% cheat. Like Massman said there are dozens of valid reasons that back that up. And no, it isn't a CPU-z bug.

Norway knopflerbruce says:

If it's a CPUZ mistake it should happen from time to time, and this is the first time I've seen this type of error.

Georgia utilizatori says:

if there are 10000000 reasons I want to see one of them

knopflerbruce said: If it's a CPUZ mistake it should happen from time to time, and this is the first time I've seen this type of error.


well, everything has to happen for the first time :)

Germany Afrokalle says:

utilizatori said: if there are 10000000 reasons I want to see one of them



You only have to open your eyes....

unknown JuMPeR_15 says:

write here your "reasons"

unknown JuMPeR_15 says:


here is an other example of cpu-z bugging

United States BenchZowner says:

Numero uno ( Number 1 ): Bloomfields don't work at 2.0V, and definitely can't survive a wPrime 1024 run at that voltage. Numero due: Coldbug-less bloomfield ? Very very very hard to believe, best I've seen so far is around -165 to -170C and that's like 1 chip for every 1000 chips. Numero tre: 5100MHz+ UnCore with triple channel mem operation wPrime 1024m stable ? That is beyond impossible And on a DFI X58 ? That's a joke :D

Georgia utilizatori says:

Afrokalle said: You only have to open your eyes....


I've just opened them and I see program bug
if man is cleaver enough to cheat, he should be also cleaver enough to correct that 2X multiplier...

Georgia Fatal Fighter says:

eXtremetweaker.de hey mate , no one here is blind , u got me ?

TaPaKaH says:

utilizatori said: I've just opened them and I see program bug
if man is cleaver enough to cheat, he should be also cleaver enough to correct that 2X multiplier...
ok, clever man ... show me how you manage to get 2.08V out of a board that's limited at 1.6V*1.18 by the BIOS (digital PWM + Vmod ?) .... and manage to change uncore multiplier (20 to 22) and CAS (6 to 7) between consecutive 1024M and 32M runs (obviously, without reboot)

Germany Afrokalle says:

utilizatori said: if man is cleaver enough to cheat, he should be also cleaver enough to correct that 2X multiplier...


Maybe he did not see/know?

But that is not my main reason (like i said: the first time as i saw this screen i did not see the wrong multiplier).

Look at this was BenchZowner posted, ask some other guys who are benching a long time and be sure all will give you the same answer...

unknown JuMPeR_15 says:

[QUOTE] BenchZowner Numero uno ( Number 1 ): Bloomfields don't work at 2.0V, and definitely can't survive a wPrime 1024 run at that voltage. Numero due: Coldbug-less bloomfield ? Very very very hard to believe, best I've seen so far is around -165 to -170C and that's like 1 chip for every 1000 chips. Numero tre: 5100MHz+ UnCore with triple channel mem operation wPrime 1024m stable ? That is beyond impossible And on a DFI X58 ? That's a joke :D [/qute] if having right cooling it can survive yes he has the golden chip, it can survive everything while having good cooling i think you are just envy because you will never be able to beat world record

Georgia utilizatori says:

Afrokalle said: Maybe he did not see/know?

But that is not my main reason (like i said the first time i saw this scree i did not see the wrong multiplier).

Look at this was BenchZowner posted, ask some other guys who are benching a long time and be sure all will give you the same answer...


yes i saw his post :)
well, I think this conversation is useless until Westsider is here
about clock speed I'm not sure but...

http://hwbot.org/community/submission/982665_gutterz_cpu_z_core_i7_960_5810.72_mhz

I can't say anything for sure but I still hope it's bug :)

Germany Afrokalle says:

Sam OCX said: ok, clever man ... show me how you manage to get 2.08V out of a board that's limited at 1.6V*1.18 by the BIOS (digital PWM + Vmod ?) .... and manage to change uncore multiplier (20 to 22) and CAS (6 to 7) between consecutive 1024M and 32M runs (obviously, without reboot)


Very intresting what you are saying about the DFI Board/Bios Sam...

I can only see the 32M Screen atm but if i understand you right you can see (if you look at both screens) that there was no reboot between the runs?

Norway knopflerbruce says:

BenchZowner said: Numero uno ( Number 1 ):
Bloomfields don't work at 2.0V, and definitely can't survive a wPrime 1024 run at that voltage.

Numero due:
Coldbug-less bloomfield ? Very very very hard to believe, best I've seen so far is around -165 to -170C and that's like 1 chip for every 1000 chips.

Numero tre:
5100MHz+ UnCore with triple channel mem operation wPrime 1024m stable ? That is beyond impossible

And on a DFI X58 ? That's a joke :D


wprime is VERY light on memory sticks.

I haven't seen much info about DFI X58 at subzero, but AFAIK it's a pretty solid OCing board (the UT one).

...apart from that I agree.

Belgium Massman says:

JuMPeR_15 said: i think you are just envy because you will never be able to beat world record


That's a very juvenile way to look at this situation. I think.

TaPaKaH says:

Afrokalle said: Very intresting what you are saying about the DFI Board/Bios Sam...

I can only see the 32M Screen atm but if i understand you right you can see (if you look at both screens) that there was no reboot between the runs?
wP32M score = http://hwbot.org/community/submission/1005001_
wP1G score = http://hwbot.org/community/submission/1005093_

open two screens and alt+tab between them ... AND, 32m screen has 1024m time in it, so they indeed were consecutive runs ;)

United States BenchZowner says:

knopflerbruce said: wprime is VERY light on memory sticks.


It is very light on the mems, but not on the L2 & L3 Cache ( which is a part of the UnCore ;) )

knopflerbruce said: I haven't seen much info about DFI X58 at subzero, but AFAIK it's a pretty solid OCing board (the UT one).


Unfortunately it ain't that much strong.
At very high frequencies the board struggles, and drops ( actually it goes up and down ) the Turbo Multiplier no matter if your chip is stable or not at that frequency or how many volts you push through it.

p.s. Nice observation Sam :D

Norway knopflerbruce says:

wPrime detects clocks at 3193MHz too, so it booted at stock, and then apparently OC'ed only in windows. Is that normal?

Greece crio says:

Wprime has a temp memmory of the best scores (32M&1024). Once closed it loses everything.So in your screenshot of 1024M you play with ram CL7 and uncore at 20x and in your 32M run with the same time in 1024M kept (programm didn;t close) you managed to change ram to CL6 and uncore to 22x wich is impossible. THIS IS YOUR MAIN MISTAKE IN CHEATING. SO STOP TELLING US ABOUT ENVY AND ALL THAT BS AND STOP CHEATING.

Georgia FisheRGio says:

it is bug!!!

United States BenchZowner says:

It's Michael Jackson's fault, he created that bug :p ...

Germany Afrokalle says:

Nice observation Sam and thanks for the explaining crio...

...2 facts more!

Georgia utilizatori says:

Sam OCX said: wP32M score = http://hwbot.org/community/submission/1005001_
wP1G score = http://hwbot.org/community/submission/1005093_

open two screens and alt+tab between them ... AND, 32m screen has 1024m time in it, so they indeed were consecutive runs ;)


nice but
look's like you haven't run Wprime for several times :)

check it by yourself
run wprime 1024 do not close program window
then run wprime 32 make screenshot and again do not close program !
then run wprime 32 again for backup and make another screenshot
and you will get the same picture ;)

Georgia utilizatori says:

now check this screens up

I repeat, I'm not sure but that observation tells nothing

Georgia westsider says:

be easy people
no discussions here
i accept that ban and thats all :)

United States Romdominance says:

Every man is entitled to a defense. I think the points made by other members have serious validity and prove that this is a dishonest entry. Westsider could easily clear himself by running this again with the same components and posting a short movie of the run...end of arguement....bet it doesn't happen though.

Germany Afrokalle says:

You do not understand utilizatori...

In Westsider Screenshot ist same time in window but this is not possible in his case cause uncore multiplier and cas changed and both can't changed in os!

So he had to reboot and close wPrime complete to do this...

Georgia OgaiB says:

Afrokalle said: You do not understand utilizatori...

In Westsider Screenshot ist same time in window but this is not possible in his case cause uncore multiplier and cas changed and both can't changed in os!

So he had to reboot and close wPrime complete to do this...


Try CPU Tweaker, it's done bump uncore multi

Georgia westsider says:

cpu tweaker jumps cas and uncore in latest t3eh8 bios
but i cannot explain the 2x cache fotos
and and and
so ban and done

United Kingdom El Gappo says:

Should definitely make a habit of making public examples of these cheats :) Kind of like putting them in the stocks and throwing rotten eggs.

Georgia BeR0 says:

well it's admin's choise, but u must know that it was clear record and georgians don't like lies, we don't need useless points ;) it's our last word!!!

Belgium Massman says:

Before this thread gets out of hand and more people come in talking non-sense, I'll just lock it down.

Belgium richba5tard says:

That reminds me people should not be able to comment on locked threads using the HWBOT front page. :D

Georgia FisheRGio says:

Massman why you dont want to let him prove his true? West easyli can prove but admins aren`t` listeting to his argument |:

United States G H Z says:

hwbot always listens and he can prove his result if he wants....but the time for words is over.

Belgium Massman says:

richba5tard said: That reminds me people should not be able to comment on locked threads using the HWBOT front page. :D


That and the multiQUOTE button doesn't work eiter.

FisheRGio said: Massman why you dont want to let him prove his true? West easyli can prove but admins aren`t` listeting to his argument |:


For one, because I'm no longer doing result moderating. And for two, because there's simply nothing to prove. I sick and tired of listening to so-called straight shooters claiming it's all one giant bug. It just never is.

Westsider has said he's okay with it, so you could just drop it.

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