Poll: Allow Combined Accounts in Overclockers League?

Following a series of discussions over email and other communication channels, we propound disallowing combined user accounts in the Overclocker Leagues. Several users have complained that competing in against combined/team accounts in the individual rankings "don't make sense" and "is very demotivational". After listing to the argumentation we find sense in this feeling and thus this poll.

The Poll question is simple: "Should we allow combined/team accounts in the (individual) Overclocker Leagues?". The poll options are Yes, No and No Opinion. As always you can find the Poll on the right-hand side in the sidebar.

In case the community votes No, team accounts will no longer be allowed in the Overclockers League. Specifically, accounts carrying the word Team (eg: "TeamBE") or in plural form (eg: "The Belgians") will be requested to merge to a user account.

Happy Voting!


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Canada Mindblowingj says:

Personally I feel like group accounts take away from the sense of competition, the "teams league" is there for groups to be able to compare themselves and team captains are able to help new members or people that would need help posting results. I feel like allowing team accounts would also make it harder for newcomers to compare themselves: when getting a new piece of hardware it's easy for now to go see another user having the same piece in similar conditions, now if a user(team) has multiple times this same hardware the comparision is no longer viable. The only instance where i could see a "team account" make sense is during a competion where hardware is lended to the group or team. Hope this doesn't make anyone mad :P

Romania suzuki says:

I find myself in this situation. I have an enthusiast account but i want from time to time to bench on dry ice with a friend of mine ,which he is also in enthusiast league. Because we don't want our accounts to be on extreme we want to make a 3'rd party account on which we can submit everything what we are doing on subzero. Is this ok with the hwbot rules ?

United Kingdom ObscureParadox says:

Took me 5 clicks of the image on the front page to realize I was clicking an image instead of a poll -_-

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lol

Australia JJJC says:

Do we really want to see a single user with massive resources dominating the league without competition again? Andre did it (among others), and with this new rule 8pack will do it too. Pooling resources between a few people allows accounts with far less resources to be competitive with even the most supported guys and provides an interesting and exciting league.

It also eliminates hardware sharing accusations as group results are all subbed to a single account with mutual interests.

Australia Dinos22 says:

Surely you know from your university days that creating a poll with such a leading intro will create a bias rendering the poll useless!

United States Mikecdm says:

Team accounts aren't that common, it's almost like if the thread was aimed at one person/team. From what I've seen, most of it is James doing all the submissions for the account and sometimes there are group sessions and it gets put under one account rather than every one trying to submit the same scores or several scores from the same session. Most ordinary people and the majority of overclockers with the exception of a few aren't even close to competing against him/them anyways. Next thing is we'll be saying to not allow people with high clocking cpu in the league because it's too hard to compete against them.

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We have a combined account for 2 reasons 1. we all share/pool resources and always have. this way we ensure no hardware sharing is happening as we often buy parts as a team or swap boards in/out as they are needed. we make sure all shared/combined submissions go under TeamAU as not to disadvantage other teams or individuals 2. team branding, we have a team name that we are all proud to be part of, we want the name to be high in the rankings

United States steponz says:

I really don't see why this is even a poll.... since when has this been a big issue? I think we would try to encourage this more .. As it would be easier to compete in rankings..

United Kingdom ObscureParadox says:

jjjc said: Do we really want to see a single user with massive resources dominating the league without competition again? Andre did it (among others), and with this new rule 8pack will do it too. Pooling resources between a few people allows accounts with far less resources to be competitive with even the most supported guys and provides an interesting and exciting league.

It also eliminates hardware sharing accusations as group results are all subbed to a single account with mutual interests.


See basically this, but I can also see the other side of the argument where people would say that 5 peoples resources going into one would be impossible to compete with if you have no chance of benching as a team for geographical or financial reasons.

Australia Dinos22 says:

Mikecdm said: Team accounts aren't that common, it's almost like if the thread was aimed at one person/team. From what I've seen, most of it is James doing all the submissions for the account and sometimes there are group sessions and it gets put under one account rather than every one trying to submit the same scores or several scores from the same session. Most ordinary people and the majority of overclockers with the exception of a few aren't even close to competing against him/them anyways.

Next thing is we'll be saying to not allow people with high clocking cpu in the league because it's too hard to compete against them.


yeah, where does it stop....

Australia robbo2 says:

Is the poll broken? I click on yes and it just brings up a picture of the poll.

United Kingdom ObscureParadox says:

robbo2 said: Is the poll broken? I click on yes and it just brings up a picture of the poll.


Congrats, you have reached the level of noob that I reached for a while, please marvel at your accomplishment.

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ObscureParadox said: benching as a team for geographical or financial reasons.


thats a good point mate

i am 2 hours flight from carl, 2 hours from dino, 4 hours from jjjc and 6 hours from Deanzo

any time we bench together we need to fly, most of our collab is online

Australia robbo2 says:

ObscureParadox said: Congrats, you have reached the level of noob that I reached for a while, please marvel at your accomplishment.


And this is why I never bother coming to this forum.

Australia Dinos22 says:

Team.AU said: thats a good point mate

i am 2 hours flight from carl, 2 hours from dino, 4 hours from jjjc and 6 hours from Deanzo

any time we bench together we need to fly, most of our collab is online


or to drive from Adelaide to other places
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16 hours drive to Sydney - dinos22
can't drive to New Zealand to deanzo (crazy far away lol)
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Australia Dinos22 says:

robbo2 said: And this is why I never bother coming to this forum.


lol he is telling you that he made the same mistake and is clicking on the image of the damn poll rather than going to main page and finding it hidden on the right side of the page hahah

United States steponz says:

Yeah.. but there's also single people with amazing resources.. do you ban them too...

Australia Dinos22 says:

steponz said: Yeah.. but there's also single people with amazing resources.. do you ban them too...


Employees of large retailers/distributors/manufacturers right.....

it's going to get silly....

United Kingdom ObscureParadox says:

Basically there is no way you can win, I don't have any problem with allowing the teams to be formed amd I can see why it has to happen, the only place where it shouldn't bd allowed is in competitions where money is involved, only because of the complicated nature of that people sharing money ;)

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you can win for sure, everyone can win, you just have to target specific areas and work hard

i dont have much LN2 access and normally dont have great single cards, so I focus on the multi card stuff, others focus on pentium or even being the best at 32m low clock challenge

its about picking the right fights!

Australia JunkDogg says:

Will this stop people from doing it?

United Kingdom ObscureParadox says:

Team.AU said: you can win for sure, everyone can win, you just have to target specific areas and work hard

i dont have much LN2 access and normally dont have great single cards, so I focus on the multi card stuff, others focus on pentium or even being the best at 32m low clock challenge

its about picking the right fights!


I don't mean in the literal sense of getting top of the league, what I meant was that there is no way we could get a system where everyone is happy, it's just an impossibility.

Germany der8auer says:

I'm fine with team accounts as long as only the team account itself will be used and no individual accounts. I think it's completely legit to combine skills and financial resources to achieve better results.

Romania suzuki says:

suzuki said: I find myself in this situation. I have an enthusiast account but i want from time to time to bench on dry ice with a friend of mine ,which he is also in enthusiast league. Because we don't want our accounts to be on extreme we want to make a 3'rd party account on which we can submit everything what we are doing on subzero. Is this ok with the hwbot rules ?
Can i get an official answer,just to know if to sell my pots or not?

United Kingdom ObscureParadox says:

suzuki said: Can i get an official answer,just to know if to sell my pots or not?


That looks to be fine be me since your results will be on the third party account and no sub zero results will be on the main one, that is permitting the hardware you have will only be used with that third party account and not on both.

GENiEBEN says:

suzuki said: Can i get an official answer,just to know if to sell my pots or not?


Yes you can, as per current rules. It's not like the poll will change anything :)

websmile says:

Am I getting this right? I can have two accounts, or three, or four, and points will all go to my team? By simply teaming up with other member and making new virtual user? :p That´s great, of course I will write that I use only different hardware on each account... How about simply uploading results on extreme cooling and disable points if someone wants to stay at enthusiast league? You can´t have the cake and eat it, and in the past combined team accounts lead to deleting of individual account

GENiEBEN says:

No, because you can't have duplicate scores with same hardware.

websmile says:

Good, wanted to have this cleared, answer by obscure paradox was extremely irritating and yours was unclear to me because it didn´t state exactly if yes on sale of pots or yes on second combined account. Is the option of uploading extreme scores with disabled point and ranking OK though?

United Kingdom ObscureParadox says:

websmile said: Good, wanted to have this cleared, answer by obscure paradox was extremely irritating and yours was unclear to me because it didn´t state exactly if yes on sale of pots or yes on second combined account. Is the option of uploading extreme scores with disabled point and ranking OK though?


How was my reply irritating?? :P All I said in a very long winded way that it was fine as long as it didn't break any of the hardware sharing rules.

websmile says:

You cannot have several accounts^^ - imagine what possibilities this could give you, teaming up with 50 different team mates, making 50 new accounts, and uploading 50 scores with 50 different G3220 or more making this a 50 point category :p :D

TaPaKaH says:

Voted "no".
There are plenty of other leagues (Team League) and competitions (Pro Cup) where people can compete as a team if that's what they prefer. If team accounts are to be allowed in the OC league then it stops making sense because, for example, "#5 overclocker in the world" can have 20 people claiming to have a higher rank.

Australia Uncle Fester says:

Man too many people take this hobby to serious. I know what inspired this thread and honestly grow up. Fake internet points mean nothing, the marketing of this hobby is driving people batty. Just enjoy doing what you want to do. There is no need for strict rules and bragging rights. " ooooh I'm number 1 on a website 99.9% of the world couldn't give a shit about."

Philippines dhenzjhen says:

Next voting poll would be "Ban all overclockers using ES hardwares" :p :D while true; do echo "LOL" ; done

Italy RULE says:

uncle fester said: Man too many people take this hobby to serious.
I know what inspired this thread and honestly grow up. Fake internet points mean nothing, the marketing of this hobby is driving people batty.

Just enjoy doing what you want to do. There is no need for strict rules and bragging rights. " ooooh I'm number 1 on a website 99.9% of the world couldn't give a bunnyextraction about."


+1

Germany Hyperhorn says:

[ ] Yes [ ] No [ ] No opinion [x] Alternative idea ;) Personally I dislike combined accounts for various reasons, but that's not important. Also I understand why some people like combined accounts. However I think there's better solution than combined accounts: Adding the possibility to link one result with multiple account! How could it work? Overclockers A, B and C have an overclocking session. After the session they want to upload the results at Hwbot. Now anybody of them could upload the results with the regular account, let's say overclocker B will upload them. Now overclocker B uses his/her regular account, but there is a new upload option for linking accounts. There you can add other registered users. Once the upload is completed, when they log in the next time A and C will receive a message, that B triggered to link certain results with their account. If they agree, the points will be distributed to all of the linked accounts as following: Regular points/number of linked accounts = points per account. So a score worth 15 hardware points linked to 3 accounts will add 5 points to the user accounts of A, B and C. If C declines the link to a certain score, A and B will receive 7.5 points, C will get no points and will not be appear as linked with the result. Advantages: - No need of additional accounts - No need of sharing account data with multiple persons for uploading - Any member of an OC session can benefit with his/her main account in a fair way - Transparent solution, everybody can see who is linked to a result Neutral: - Details need to be discussed (how will trophies/medals be distributed, maximum amount of linked users, should linked account be score owners - are they allowed to edit scores? etc.) Disadvantages: - Not trivial from a technical POV, so it needs coding time Btw using a different account for subzero cooling results to stay in enthusiast league with the main account is lame in my opionion. Overclockers are human beings, not accounts. If you are using subzero cooling and upload those results then you're an extreme overclocker, not an enthusiast.

Romania suzuki says:

i guess you are reffering at me in the last part of your post. Lame is what others do,stay in enthusiast while they post results with waterchillers and other extreme solutions,like peltiers. In cyprus,the price for dry ice is 4 euro/kg(plus 20 euro gas to go and pick it up or 15 for delivery via courier),so i don't give a fuck what you consider is lame,but i preffer to buy hardware for those money and bench once every 3 months on dry ice,just for the fun of it. If i choose to disable the points on possible submissions , will i still be in enthusiast league ?

United Kingdom ObscureParadox says:

websmile said: You cannot have several accounts^^ - imagine what possibilities this could give you, teaming up with 50 different team mates, making 50 new accounts, and uploading 50 scores with 50 different G3220 or more making this a 50 point category :p :D


Not saying I agree with that, just saying that there isn't anhyhing in the rules that say they can't do that.

South Africa Vivi says:

uncle fester said: Man too many people take this hobby to serious.
I know what inspired this thread and honestly grow up. Fake internet points mean nothing, the marketing of this hobby is driving people batty.

Just enjoy doing what you want to do. There is no need for strict rules and bragging rights. " ooooh I'm number 1 on a website 99.9% of the world couldn't give a bunnyextraction about."


so if im correct that means 0.01% of the world which is 7million cares about my 3rd place in Elite league, awesome :D

Australia Uncle Fester says:

Vivi said: so if im correct that means 0.01% of the world which is 7million cares about my 3rd place in Elite league, awesome :D


Do I have to add more decimal places 99.999999999999999999%

Matsglobetrotter says:

I have been on here 3 months, just moved from rookie to novice. Made it to 3rd in the rookieleague and could not get higher. Coolingwise i knew my limits compare to the guys higher. But i managed to snatch some goodscores. I sure dont mind teamaccounts. I can see the point team.AU has.the guys enjoy getting together and they all buy pieces of hardware to scare up to crazy speeds. I rather see it declared so we know what we are competing against. In just about all cometitionsports there is cries about fairness and so forth. Well if 100 meter running is to be fair you have to ban all black americans or jamaicans desending from the slaves as michael johnson on discovery channel has already concluded that because of an unatural selection due to only the fittest surviving has made some genetic advantages;-) The same in formula 1 we have the redbulls and the ferrari and so forth competing with a caterham team that probably have 1 thousands of the resources the big team has. Thus in similar ways to ocing. Some have corporate backing, some have a hardware store in their backgarden. Some have millions to spend om hardware and some not so well of student might have saved enough to buy one set and if it breaks then hmm not only cant he oc anymore but probably not do he studies neither. The team discussion is more or less irrelevant. It is possible for anyone to borrow,buy hardware that a extreme ocer has scared up to superspeeds and might do so again if even a rookie tries assuming he can without breaking the equipment learn to do the same. Meanwhile i am scrounging around , not for hardware but rather version x of java as it gives me 500 more points. Turning of various settings in bios and windows to ensure i get somewhere in the points. I am doing so on my own searching on the web asking my team mates over at ROG extreme OC but i might not have close connections to 8pac to get the minute details that really gives the final kick. But that is fine even he gives nice hints on the forum. I have had competitors in the rookie rumble ask me for info on how i got a good score on hwbot prime. Its my choice to disclose or not the details. I have no problem to help others like i have been helped. I have on several occasions with 10 c water in my system scared my system up to same levels as some LN guys. I dont consider myself a genius thus it rather showed that those guys did not know how to optimise the system fully thus even with LN had a huge unused potential. Overall to say that if the hunt to make everything so FAIR and blended that it fits everyone does not work. It usually end up so blended that no one cares and move elswhere. Im now on what 10th place in novice league. Can i reach number one? Probably but it will cost money to get more hardware and i still have much more to learn even if stay on simple watercooling, and on the tweaks.. And now i hear for some benchers i should be using vista or xp.... Man thats obsolete. Im sure i can scare up some dos 6.22 from stoneage too but that aint really the idea such obsolete systems detract from the idea more than the discussion of teamaccounts. In the end if the same hardware and cooling system is given to a selection of guys in the same room and have the same time to do tweaks it comes down to the pure skills of the guys. Meanwhile i enjoy seeing the crazy scores that is possible to obtain and see how close i can get. Though i would love to see a competition only for air/watercooling with maximum a corsair 900d size cabinet. You can put whatever you want in it but it must be closed during the run with only keyboard, mouse, screen and powercable with no mopping up of ice,condensation and so forth meanwhile or afterwards. Thus tweak your heart out on bios and OS but once you set the hardware up its done and cabinet closed.

Brazil Rbuass says:

Hey Team AU!!!
My flight to a bench session is not too close like yours.... but can you add me to the Team for the next session? .... lol

Norway knopflerbruce says:

I don't mind the team accounts THAT much. I usually look at them as teams, and I "ignore" them when I look at rankings. There are too many issues with a complete removal of this "feature", so although I don't think several people vs one is fair at all (much less than if A has more money than B), it's still better to leave things as they are. Hyperhorn's idea is not bad, though. Now, if you're for this... I guess you'd like the idea of a team made up of 8pack, Andre, Nick and a couple of others? Although nearly unbeatable, it would be a legit team-user-account :)

Australia Uncle Fester says:

OK I can see this has to be said, team.au was formed in the days of bench bros.. Etc etc. There were many people benching together and merged to stop the hardware sharing issues. If you really want to compare 8 pack to Team.Au let's see. 8 pack - factory binning of EVERY Vendors components. He has more resources that Andre ever had. OCUK is the largest PC store in UK. 8 pack us their marketing idol. There is no limit on the support he has, 8 packs job is to bench and market their branding. Team.Au - We bin CPU's we buy ourselves. We are given at BEST 2 ES cpu 's by a vendor. Our VGA cards are personally brought and we are VERY lucky to get some from vendors. Usually about 2-4 a year to the whole team being 7 guys. We all have full time jobs and OC is our hobby. It is not a priority, we do it because we enjoy it. Please note there is no hard feeling to 8 pack or OCUK, we think they are both AWESOME !! 8 pack is a great guy. You cannot draw a fair comparison between 8 pack and Team.Au - we are both structured differently. Honestly let's leave this alone and let's all get back to doing what we enjoy !!!

Australia JJJC says:

Amen fester

Belgium Massman says:

Fester makes a compelling argument. It seems the vote is about 50/50 for the moment (don't shoot the vote creator)

Canada Rasparthe says:

This has always been a bone of contention for me and reading through all these posts I can see the point of why the multiple user accounts were created. I can even see the draw to use them. My biggest objection comes because it destroys the integrity of the ranking system. I get that 8 Pack might be better supplied than anyone else, I thought that was why the Elite tag was created, but if you care about where you fall in the rankings how does having teams compete against single individuals make it better?

If you don't care about the rankings on suchasuch website why form a team to post your results. If its the comraderie of benching together and thats the draw, post them without points so the world can see how much fun your having.

If you do care about the rankings, posting team results in an individual ranking system just destroys the integrity for anyone doing it alone or trying to promote themselves to manufacturers or vendors or for their own personal glory. This is why I don't understant why HWBOT would even allow it. HWBOT is alot of things but first and foremost it is a place where all the worlds greatest overclockers put their scores against other overclockers. If HWBOT cannot even provide an unbiased forum to this most basic function then how can it ever be the place that vendors and manufactuers want to go to find people to promote their products (as this seems to be the goal of a good majority of overclockers). But even personally, why does having to put an asterisk next to your achievement (Yes, I was X place in this league if you don't count all the team accounts above me) seem fair?

A couple of good suggestions above that could be happy mediums is the one about sharing among individual accounts, if it could be coded its a good suggestion.

Secondly, that if you belong to a team account then you have to close your individual account. This is still doesn't address the basic problem I have with them but at least it gives one pause before joining a team account since they will no longer have the personal account.

Just my opinion, glad to at least see the poll put up.

Australia Uncle Fester says:

Rasparthe said: This has always been a bone of contention for me and reading through all these posts I can see the point of why the multiple user accounts were created. I can even see the draw to use them. My biggest objection comes because it destroys the integrity of the ranking system. I get that 8 Pack might be better supplied than anyone else, I thought that was why the Elite tag was created, but if you care about where you fall in the rankings how does having teams compete against single individuals make it better?

If you don't care about the rankings on suchasuch website why form a team to post your results. If its the comraderie of benching together and thats the draw, post them without points so the world can see how much fun your having.

If you do care about the rankings, posting team results in an individual ranking system just destroys the integrity for anyone doing it alone or trying to promote themselves to manufacturers or vendors or for their own personal glory. This is why I don't understant why HWBOT would even allow it. HWBOT is alot of things but first and foremost it is a place where all the worlds greatest overclockers put their scores against other overclockers. If HWBOT cannot even provide an unbiased forum to this most basic function then how can it ever be the place that vendors and manufactuers want to go to find people to promote their products (as this seems to be the goal of a good majority of overclockers). But even personally, why does having to put an asterisk next to your achievement (Yes, I was X place in this league if you don't count all the team accounts above me) seem fair?

A couple of good suggestions above that could be happy mediums is the one about sharing among individual accounts, if it could be coded its a good suggestion.

Secondly, that if you belong to a team account then you have to close your individual account. This is still doesn't address the basic problem I have with them but at least it gives one pause before joining a team account since they will no longer have the personal account.

Just my opinion, glad to at least see the poll put up.


You do realize the Team.Au account only has 2 members in it ???
The rest of the guys have their own accounts.
Team.Au is myself and Young Pro.

If we all submitted our points together it would be totally unfair.

SniperOz - Team.Au (own account)
BobNZ - Team.Au (own account)
Jjjc - Team.Au (own account)
Deanzo - Team.Au (own account)
T_M - Team.Au (own account)
Dinos22 - (own account - used to be in the Team.Au account but removed himself due to working for gigabyte)
Young Pro - (Team.Au Account)
uncle Fester - (Team.Au Account)

In light of this rather childish approach about teams I am willing to remove myself from the Team.Au account and leave it as just Young Pro - please note this his ranking won't drop bugger all and I know on his own he can be number 1.

Let's look at it this way.
James (young pro) has broken EVERY world record multiple time a year for the last 7 years, he is arguably the best tweaker and bencher in the world. He has never had support to the likes of Andre Yang , nick shin, king pin, 8 pack .... Yet for 7 years he had remained in the Top 10.

Whatever the outcome I don't care.

Australia Uncle Fester says:

If in the same way 8 pack has a team, he has 10 plus employees that will - bin hardware, do research, pour ln2, pretty much 8pack is OCUK he is a much bigger team than us.

Canada Rasparthe says:

Its just my opinion and I'm not trying to pick on Team AU since I know your members have done lots for HWBOT and overclocking community. When you say those other members don't submit for Team AU, do they remove their old subs when they leave the TEAM AU account? The #2 ranking is solely comprimised of Young Pro's subs? (I really don't know the answer and asking).

All I'm saying is that either its individual rankings or its not. Mixing the rankings with teams by definition means its not an individual ranking anymore. What happens when someone gets the idea that having an account with 50+ people is okay? What if someone cherry picks 20+ of the best join a single team? What if OCN team, I believe still the largest, required every person to post under a single account and said forget the Team League? Totally legal under the current system.

No system is going to perfect and there are guys that are willing to go further than others to take #1 spot even in a "hobby" like this. If 8 Pack is doing as your saying he is certainly an extreme example but on a smaller scale some guys have better access to hardware, some have easy/cheap LN2 (not Canada believe me), some have more disposable income, some have more time. There is not way to balance those differences. The only thing you can ask for is that ranking is level.

Australia Uncle Fester says:

In regards to your question " the answer is yes the results are removed. " they go back to the original posters account. This community is so dynamic and cannot make it's mind up, the community forced us to be a team as they believed we were hardware sharing. Now if go back to individual and there are 3 to 5 of us in to 10 will people fall back on hardware sharing conspiracy theories ???

Australia Uncle Fester says:

If you look back you can see at one time the top 10 consisted of myself , James, Dino, sniperoz and deanzo . people complained then ... Honestly this seems a case of sour grapes which ever angle we take ?

Matsglobetrotter says:

There might be one person there might be 50 in one session no matter what its possible to write down and clone every single bit of settings so one person can have all of them optimized, instead of people you can construct machinery to pour LN. It will still come down to one issue. When you turn on the system did you have the best settings, the best hardware and hit the best score. Then after all is said and done I am more impressed by the guy who with watercooling or even aircooling manage to outscore a guy on LN with subzero temperatures no matter if it was a team or not. I fully agree with Uncle festers assessment, there might be a single figurehead visible but it does not mean it was not actually a team effort. If we are to be seriously holy about everyone on their own then there should be no forums with information on tweaks, no discussions with other individuals even friends as effectively that can be considered cheating but it would be pretty boring;-)

United Kingdom 8 Pack says:

Fester actually only I do any LN2 stuff or benching and infact almost all high end binning also. Yes the initial really low bin stuff is removed for me.

I don't get the pick of GPU either that is simply pot luck in most cases. I get a sample if its good great if its not then I cant just raid the stock. Vendors expect reviews of each and every sample I get including marketing effort too. I have 8Pack systems to support and the entire range of OCUK PC also to assist with. I dont bench 24/7 and its not my job.

All benching is me that is fact no one pours etc just me. I run 4 way alone on LN2 in 90% of cases. When we live stream Dagmar sits and answers user questions and fills flasks that is about it.

I work hard often 7 days per week and very late evenings too I am very committed to producing scores and I have to be even to compete because I have less experience than many in TeamAU and others.

In my eyes Teams including TeamAU are fine. All the Team AU guys especially Pro, Dino and Sniper I am good friends with and enjoy overclocking and spending time with. They are truly great benchers and I have much respect for them.

Sour grapes is the issue I agree with you.

Romania Monstru says:

For the sake of it will anybody explain to me how this team account works? Do the guys also have their own personal accounts? Do the points get from the Team account to the user account? Do they post the same results on both accounts?

If not... who cares? Really...who cares if Fester and Pro bench together and submit the result on Fester's account, Pro account or Team.Au account??? What is the difference? Same effort - same result - different name. Big deal...

And as far as 8pack (or Andre, Kingpin, whatever) is concerned, you boys are right. Yes, they had, they have and they will always have more hardware and support most of the users on HWBot will ever dream of (probably dera8uter will follow this path too). But...honestly...those chips don't clock themselves, they don't jump out of the tray saying - "I am the 7G one" take me and the LN2 doesn't just poor from the sky into their pots. Yes, they had/have everything but even so it takes a lot of effort.

I know some people may think "yeah, but I can beat that guy if I would have what he has". Ok, that might be true in some cases. But do you ever wonder why some guys have what they have? Ok, a bit of luck or a lot of money always helps. But beyond that is usually a story most people don't know. Behind that there are usually sacrifices most people would not make just for the sake of overclocking.

So...relax. If you love what you are doing you will have satisfaction. But if you are only in this because of the "money and fame" better found a boy band or something. Or pick up LoL, DoTA, SC2 or something that really pays of...

United States VSG says:

It was already said that the guys using the Team account don't have personal accounts. As far as I am concerned, that should have been the end of the story. If I based my benching hobby on records then it would be far more expensive so I am happy where I am in the novice league with any step forward being only good.

Germany Moose83 says:

Voted yes Team Accounts are fine, but my thought is no Single Account at same time ;)

Australia Uncle Fester says:

Sorry Ian, was not trying to take anything away from you. We know you work your arse off. I just figured you would have made them OCUK boys your ln2 bitches by now lol.

Australia Uncle Fester says:

So I think in summary Pieter can we end this silly poll and get back to enjoying overclocking ?

Philippines dhenzjhen says:

uncle fester said: So I think in summary Pieter can we end this silly poll and get back to enjoying overclocking ?
This for sure!

Belgium Massman says:

Poll was set to two weeks, so we can wait until then. Just for the record, and unrelated to this particular vote, it's important to understand that it's not the loudest speaker who gets their way, Fester. I understand your opinion, and I appreciate you taking the time to explain your point of view, but I made this poll because there are people who think differently. It's not because they may choose not to post in this thread that their opinion is invalid or should be ignored. This vote may seem "silly" to you, but looking at the numbers it seems that this is not a universally shared opinion.

Australia Uncle Fester says:

Pieter I think we both very well know this thread cane about after the team.Au dethrones 8 pack issue. I am pretty sure that has been resolved in most peoples mind. Do you mean you will actually listen to polls these days, I remember a poll that had 70+ vs 5 for not removing the pro league 2 years ago which you didn't care nor listen to at all ???

Canada Trouffman says:

Actually i don't agree with you fester :) I do think this kind of precision is neede since the time of the Overclocking knights. Also to address another point tht is not explicited here. if 2 guys bench together, they woudl submit to one o rthe other account, if they hppen to submit both score to each account = hardware sharing. under one tema = hardware combinaison. This doesnt really matter for regular leagues as one can only disable the point and that will be it, but the line is sooo small this it actually could lead to widers issues, especially when qualifiying for Competitions for example or even in online comp. I would be a promoter of a `benched with` thing where you can highlight that you benched with hardware X or Y from X or Y and scores are shared or somethign similar but this add way too much variatns int he algorythms and how to validate that too.

Australia Uncle Fester says:

That's right trouffman, we can either over complicate things or we all go back to benching on our own and submitting our own scores and deal with hardware sharing accusations. So decide how you want us to play the game, we are happy no matter what you choose.

Australia Dinos22 says:

Massman said:
This vote may seem "silly" to you, but looking at the numbers it seems that this is not a universally shared opinion.


The numbers are biased as per the introduction text which would make the bystander think there is some unfairness in having such an account and the poll was brought up due to "numerous" complains according to you. It creates a bias towards removing team accounts. Hence these figures are not a true representation of "different" opinions to Fester's.

You are also saying fester is being loud. No massman, fester is making sure he explains the situation in more detail as there is clear bias in introduction and all he wanted to do was make sure people make an informed decision...

In either case, it really doesn't make much difference. We were talked into creating a team account by you and now you would rather do away with them. Whatever happens, doesn't matter. TeamAU guys will always be up there one way or another as it's always been the case.

France Wizerty says:

Dino / Fester :
You "play fair" with your combined account (no competition, no submit in combined + single...) but this poll is not "Allow Combined Accounts for TeamAU", it's "Allow Combined Accounts".... and staff can't say OK for you and Forbiden for other :(

So even if we trust you, what will happen when 50 account will be merge in one ?

Then pro-oc : only 5 account per team. but if an account is already 5 guys... 5x5 = 25guys ?

And you explain combined account is needed to fight against " guys with big support". 10000% agree, it's reallllllyyyyy hard to fight against heavy support with low support, but my 2c :
1° If you combined account to fight against him, how can we beat you with single account ? So you need combiend account -> I need combined account -> every body need combined account.
2° If user have no support -> Etreme league
3° I think all Veteran know that even with support, it's not easy, need time to bin, time to tweak, skill for pouring / debug... sure it help A LOT, but it's still require skill. If the guy is too high in ranking, then enjoy the second place, as you all say so many time, it's a hobby.

Keep in mind it's not a poll against you (I think), and if it's allowed for one, then it's allowed for everyone, and it's the beginning trouble

"TeamAU guys will always be up there one way or another as it's always been the case. "
I hope so ;)

Eeky NoX says:

I totally agree with my teammate, but I'd like to vote :D What should I do to get access? 3 more submissions? :D

France Wizerty says:

You need a brain.... Poll is on HwBot first page, on the right

Romania Monstru says:

Ehm...no need for rude behavior...

France Wizerty says:

Monstru said: Ehm...no need for rude behavior...

It's not rude, it's my slave Eeky, as a Captain I'm allowed :D
If he complain, then torture.....


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Moreover I tried like 10 time to click on OP picture... and I'm sure Eeky and I are not alone. We need A BIG RED ARROW to show the poll a the home page :)

Eeky NoX says:

Yes... maaaaaaster -.- Thank you MASTER!! ROFL! Be carefull I could steal ya brain though :p No problem Monstru we're quite tougher on our team tchat ;) Now I go to the poll --->

Romania Monstru says:

Sorry, I didn't know you were buddies :)

Australia Uncle Fester says:

Wizerty said: Dino / Fester :
You "play fair" with your combined account (no competition, no submit in combined + single...) but this poll is not "Allow Combined Accounts for TeamAU", it's "Allow Combined Accounts".... and staff can't say OK for you and Forbiden for other :(

So even if we trust you, what will happen when 50 account will be merge in one ?

Then pro-oc : only 5 account per team. but if an account is already 5 guys... 5x5 = 25guys ?

And you explain combined account is needed to fight against " guys with big support". 10000% agree, it's reallllllyyyyy hard to fight against heavy support with low support, but my 2c :
1° If you combined account to fight against him, how can we beat you with single account ? So you need combiend account -> I need combined account -> every body need combined account.
2° If user have no support -> Etreme league
3° I think all Veteran know that even with support, it's not easy, need time to bin, time to tweak, skill for pouring / debug... sure it help A LOT, but it's still require skill. If the guy is too high in ranking, then enjoy the second place, as you all say so many time, it's a hobby.

Keep in mind it's not a poll against you (I think), and if it's allowed for one, then it's allowed for everyone, and it's the beginning trouble

"TeamAU guys will always be up there one way or another as it's always been the case. "
I hope so ;)


Combined accounts are allowed, bench bros bla bla bla, you can join stategos but remember we DID NOT CHOOSE TO BE A TEAM we were TOLD too !!!! This same community FORCED US.

Have I not said all of this already ???

Australia Uncle Fester says:

Seriously I am out of this thread, make your mind up what you want us to do. We will happily drop back to our original ways and listen to everyone cry and say we are hardware sharing!!! Our response will be in our good friends words PROVE IT!!!

United Kingdom 8 Pack says:

I think Team AU should just be left as it is end of!! I dont get this pole at all. Pointless!!!

Canada Vinster says:

I'm breaking out the popcorn just to try and figure out why this was ever created.... even if you have 10 member sharing hardware... if it's ALL going to one account... what's the bloody difference? There isn't any "sharing" or duplication of the score which is what anyone with any pride would avoid.... TeamAU is vocal about being 2 people and always have since being put in that position years ago.... what about the possible team accounts that exist that nobody knows about? and if all the points go to a single account, why does anyone else care? I don't... and really... It's more enjoyable to bench with a friend anyway. Vin

Canada Trouffman says:

even if you have 10 member sharing hardware... if it's ALL going to one account... What is the point in having one accoutn and not a team ? what about the possible team accounts that exist that nobody knows about? >> this thread is not solving this issue either. same as facebook that want you to use your real name. if they cancel the account becau eyou used a fake name you cannot do much...

United States Mikecdm says:

How about, move all "combined" accounts to Elite. There the other leagues shouldn't have to complain because they aren't "directly" competing against them and all people in Elite should have some sort of connections to get hardware to where they shouldn't really be at a disadvantage.

Belgium leeghoofd says:

Even though I digg James and the rest of TEAM.AU, Andi from Benchbros, T and Pepi for OCing Knights as they are great sports I voted no to this Team account discussion... don't matter if its Team.AU or Benchbros or whatever Team name is in the individual benchers ranking...


In my humble point of view these are my opinions on the matter, let us take Team.AU as it is a hot example:

- This has got nothing to to with benching with a friend as eg. Vinster pointed out.
- I see this purely as an easy way of marketing your team up the single bencher ladder
- Each individual Team.AU member has got the skills and knowledge and by all means the resources to get in a similar spot as they are at now as a team
- Avoiding sharing hardware with or without such an account is all about the integrity of the involved parties... plz don't use that as an excuse
- OCing will always be about who has the most resources or the lucky hand to pick the golden hardware... no matter what...
-There will always be envy and silly reporting of submitted scores
- Submitting scores lacks transparency with a team account
- I can grasp the meaning behind this name thing though it sends out a wrong signal to other members. Competing as an individual versus a team seems pretty discouraging...

I will not go into discussion for any of the above points as these are my own perogative.

Matsglobetrotter says:

Which means team account league series would have to be introduced officially as otherwise we will never really see more than maybe 1 or two entries on Superexpensive GPU x 4 scores. I would have loved to combine my two with someone elses to get nice score in a setup that we would never do otherwise. It also means that for such team league it should be allowed to share hardware that individual owners then take home and continue benching on their own

France Wizerty says:

Matsglobetrotter said: Which means team account league series would have to be introduced officially as otherwise we will never really see more than maybe 1 or two entries on Superexpensive GPU x 4 scores. I would have loved to combine my two with someone elses to get nice score in a setup that we would never do otherwise.
It also means that for such team league it should be allowed to share hardware that individual owners then take home and continue benching on their own

I think you can share resource. If you have 2 VGA, and your friends have 2, you can bench with 4 card BUT :
only one of you can submit the screenshot.
Exemple, you run Firestrike and 11, you keep 11, your freind keep firestrike, it's OK
But you are not allowed to submit 11 if your freind already submit it

Canada Trouffman says:

Definetly agree with wizerty. Also referring to one of ky previous post in this thread... What happen if a league-team account qualify for a comp ? As we do not enforce to have your official name stated, what happen if you qualify for a comp ? Both people or more get the tickets ?... there are a few un resolved possibilities

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