HWBOT Rev4.3 released - new team ranking algorithm and plenty other improvements

Rev4.3 fixes plenty of bugs and focusses on a more rewarding and fair Team Ranking: the Team Power Points (TPP) for both global and hardware rankings have had a major overhaul. The hardware info pages now show a clear overview of the current records both made worldwide, by your team and by yourself.

The rankings have been improved to clearly show how TPP is distributed, and the user profile now shows where all your points come from, including clarifying the competition points. Check your profile, points tab.

The new TPP algorithm is currently recalculating +23000 hardware rankings, we expect it to be done in approx 8 hours.

Release Notes - HWBOT - Version hwbot v4.3

Bug

  • [HWBOT-409] - Prepopulated system images
  • [HWBOT-495] - Forum not properly displayed in Chrome and Internet Explorer
  • [HWBOT-517] - User registration but no forum registration
  • [HWBOT-559] - Hardware Library bugged
  • [HWBOT-563] - Submission of banned user still in ranking
  • [HWBOT-565] - Enthusiast league: submissions without cooling specified (a.k.a. stock) should count to the enth points too.
  • [HWBOT-570] - Banned user has entry in benchmark ranking
  • [HWBOT-571] - User ranked multiple times in one ranking
  • [HWBOT-572] - ?recalculate=true gives error when click-through to ranking page
  • [HWBOT-573] - Competition participation points awarded for each entry instead of once
  • [HWBOT-574] - Thumb generation for some images is broken.
  • [HWBOT-576] - When a ranking is shown, sometimes the ranking list is not loaded, only the filter. Never occurs in FF, but often in chrome.
  • [HWBOT-577] - Banner not visible
  • [HWBOT-578] - Using prepopulate submission when using data submission like unigene heaven displays no score and verification data (but submits sucessfully)

Improvement

  • [HWBOT-343] - HWBOINTS Finetuning
  • [HWBOT-423] - Overview table with score rank/point/cup updates (loss/gain points, loss/gain cup)
  • [HWBOT-527] - HWBoint ranking page finetuning: user and tpp ranking on one page
  • [HWBOT-528] - HWBoint rankins: add target score
  • [HWBOT-539] - Point_type for stage
  • [HWBOT-540] - Minimum 1 point for all participating teams
  • [HWBOT-541] - Rank by 'amount of results', then by avg
  • [HWBOT-542] - Ranking UI: show # results
  • [HWBOT-543] - L2S2 PCMark7, 3x unique CPU_socketId
  • [HWBOT-544] - Country Cup: unique submission based on effective_cores
  • [HWBOT-545] - Banner
  • [HWBOT-546] - Competition Background
  • [HWBOT-547] - Configure competition in admin site
  • [HWBOT-548] - Clear overview of competition concept
  • [HWBOT-549] - Send mailer regarding competition
  • [HWBOT-550] - Press release / announcement
  • [HWBOT-551] - Show 3 latest forum comments on competition page
  • [HWBOT-554] - HCE: processor manufacturer
  • [HWBOT-555] - HCE verify multi-parameter cpuCoreCount limitation
  • [HWBOT-556] - HCE top 5 unique cpu cores

Story

  • [HWBOT-558] - MSI X79 Competition Skin
  • [HWBOT-566] - global points tweaking
  • [HWBOT-583] - Provide a information page for psu product with basic information.

Sub Task

  • [HWBOT-424] - User profile: show competition points + link to overview


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Belgium HybridChiller says:

it runs also better now, faster loaded etc

Canada Vinster says:

browsing is a lot better... I like it.... thanks for the hard work guys.

United States Splave says:

its unfortunate whenever there is a new release my team and I always drop ranks lol must work harder I guess

United States Hondacity says:

its fortunate whenever there is a new release team.XS and I always get up in the ranks lol must slack harder wtf lol

Australia Yamunsa says:

running a heck of alot faster now guys - thank you

Germany Blackbolt says:

the rev is better for the team
good work:)

United States Mikecdm says:

Navigating different benches for certain HW seems to cumbersome. When I search for a specific hardware, it takes me to some records page where I then have to select rankings for a certain bench. Once there, I cannot select the other benches. I have to go back to the records page and then select a different bench.

United States Hondacity says:

yeah the default page is configured differently. usually i only enter benchmark, gpu model, 1 gpu. and it displays 20 best results.

United States Mikecdm says:

I search by hardware in the search box in top right corner. Say i pick a 580, then i narrow it down to 1x gpu. Afterwords I just look through the different benches for that card. All of it's right there on one page.

Belgium Massman says:

More information about the HWBoints tuning for: - Member Leagues - Team League

Christian Ney says:

Thanks Frederik for the hard work :)

I love this rev

TaPaKaH says:

I don't like the new hardware pages .. collecting info on "how much points hardware X yields" now requires a lot more time

Belgium Massman says:

FYI, not all rankings and points have been updated yet. Engine tells me: "Approx. 10270/34430 members, 172113 submissions recalculated."

United Kingdom RawZ says:

Much faster now, thank you.

Belgium richba5tard says:

@Tapakah: we can add the points in the hardware records pages, but I think it's a but too crowded if we show the points for both the wr's, team best and personal best. We could show only the points for the WR's?

Germany der8auer says:

Realy nice work there guys :) Page runs way faster and I love the new Point calculation! Well done :)

Belgium richba5tard says:

@Tapakah: HW info pages now show the hardware points for the WR's, so you can quickly see how much points specific hardware is worth in specific rankings.

TaPaKaH says:

@RB - (take E8400 as an example) why can't this table exist only on some "overview" page (without the "links" column, obviously) and result browsing be done like it was in 4.2.x ?


P.S. Thanks for adding the HUP but it's the HTPP i'm interested in :p

United States hokiealumnus says:

Splave said: its unfortunate whenever there is a new release my team and I always drop ranks lol must work harder I guess


You're not alone man. Last time we went from #11 to #15. We worked our way back up to #12 on the new system and again we're back down to #15.

Good times.

EDIT - That's not to take away from the improvements. It definitely seems faster and you guys have put a ton of work into this, so thank you.

United States Mr.Scott says:

Splave said: its unfortunate whenever there is a new release my team and I always drop ranks lol must work harder I guess
I feel your pain. While my team is better off, I dropped like a rock.:p

Belgium Massman says:

Rankings are not fully calculated yet, btw.

Luxembourg BigT_Roadrunner says:

I get an error when clicking on "Do not participate in Hwbot rankings" and saving settings. Otherwise my previous problem with submission recalculations not working seems fixed.

Christian Ney says:

I edited several submissions, the edition worked but the result was still ranked in the old ranking and not in the new ranking where I moved it (like from HD 2000 to HD 3000 or 1x GPU to 2x GPU). Ranking was showing ''2x GPU9 which was right but the result was still having rank/points of the 1X Ranking and showed in th 1x Ranking and not in the 2x Ranking.

Several Phenom II X6 submissions are ranked in the 1X or 4X ranking, not way to move them back to 6x Ranking. Please disable ''Core unlocker'' for thos CPU.

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Austria Turrican says:

yeah, experienced the same with some 2x cpu results in 1x categories.

United States I.M.O.G. says:

I have no idea how best to earn points for my team currently. Where can I read to understand which submissions count fully for team points?

I am far more motivated to bench when I know the points will help my team, but with past changes and current ones, I don't know where to look to understand better.

Mainly, the changes were marketed as aimed at discouraging hardware sharing. Our team hasn't done that, yet with every update we lose positions in the team rankings. We're overclockers, so must of us want to bench the strongest and most current gear - too many of us buying and benching the latest and greatest, and as a result it isn't helping the team points very much.

Belgium Massman says:

The Team League mostly depends on both GTTP and HTTP. GTTP = Global Team Powerpoints, example: 3dmark03 1x GPU GTTP HTTP = Hardware Team Powerpoints, example: i7 920 Wprime1024M HTTP We noticed that for all teams in the top-25 of the Team League, the main focus will be HTTP as GTTP tends to max out around ~3k. Pure has 11k GTTP, though, so it's definitely possible to push with high-end gear for those rankings. For all teams below the #25 rank, the GTTP and HTTP are usually balanced quite well, so you have both ways to improve your team rank. If you have a certain piece of hardware and you want to know if you can improve your team's result, just visit the hardware page and you'll have an overview of both the record in each benchmark class and the team record. Eg: http://hwbot.org/hardware/processor/core_i7_920/.

Belgium HybridChiller says:

how about the ranking?

We cannot view the ranking list.

If i whant to look at the ranking list of Wprime32m with 24x cores, or something else in another benchmark, nothing is shown

United States MetalRacer says:

hokiealumnus said: You're not alone man. Last time we went from #11 to #15. We worked our way back up to #12 on the new system and again we're back down to #15.

Good times.

EDIT - That's not to take away from the improvements. It definitely seems faster and you guys have put a ton of work into this, so thank you.


It's just the opposite with our smaller team, we gain with every new release.

This release is a huge improvement, functionality is a lot smoother.

Belgium Massman says:

Just a heads up: the engine has finished recalculating all the rankings now!

Chiller said: how about the ranking?

We cannot view the ranking list.

If i whant to look at the ranking list of Wprime32m with 24x cores, or something else in another benchmark, nothing is shown


There's a small bug with the filter. Select 'any cooling' and all the results will be shown.

Belgium richba5tard says:

Rushed 2 fixes to production:
- prepopulate fields fix
- ranking selection fix

Belgium richba5tard says:

Another feat made it into r4.3: a overview list to see where the Team Power Points come from. Very handy if you want to check what can be improved for more points.

To check the list, open your personal profile or your team profile. In the right top points box, there is a list to the global and hardware power point submissions.

More info:
http://bugs.hwbot.org/browse/HWBOT-592








United Kingdom borandi says:

http://hwbot.org/benchmark/superpi/ Only shows the 1x CPU record, doesn't show my best result unless it's the same chip as the one used in the WR. Not sure what this page should show - 2x CPU wouldn't work because it's Pi. Perhaps different HW? Tbh we're really missing the HW pages of rev.3, where we can see all the hardware families and where all the HW goes.

Belgium Massman says:

This? http://hwbot.org/forum/showthread.php?t=30935

United Kingdom borandi says:

Perfect, I didn't see that :) Thanks MM

United States I.M.O.G. says:

Catching up with all responses here - thank you for the explanations and pointers. I appreciate them!

Germany Don_Dan says:

Hondacity said: its fortunate whenever there is a new release team.XS and I always get up in the ranks lol must slack harder wtf lol


lol,

You noticed we're down in the team ranking?! :D

United States Hondacity says:

don't worry about the shrimps..lol they're mad! Definition: Excited beyond self-control or the restraint of reason; inflamed by violent or uncontrollable desire, passion, or appetite; as, to be mad with terror, lust, or hatred; mad against political reform.

United States Minor Outlying Islands Kal-EL says:

FFS we've dropped 4 places in the rankings. We need an hwbot life coach. Hwbot Ed Tutors welcomed.

Belgium Massman says:


HTTP is the key in top-20 Team League.

United States Hondacity says:

will there be more drastic changes?

United States [GF]Duke says:

I hope not. It's discouraging as hell. Everytime there is a change we drop in ranks. wtf is up with that.

Belgium Massman says:

Hondacity said: will there be more drastic changes?


No need to worry :)

'[GF]Duke said: I hope not. It's discouraging as hell. Everytime there is a change we drop in ranks. wtf is up with that.


I think the 'problem' of your team is that there are only a few people who are really focussing on the various hardware rankings. Especially in the top-20, the part of the hardware rankings is increasingly important.

United States [GF]Duke says:

By various hardware rankings do you mean old cpu and gpus? I've been out of it for about a year and i'm gearing up to get back at it and i'd like to know where i should be going. Instead of blindly tossing money out the window.

Belgium Massman says:

Yeah, older hardware. For each hardware and global ranking, there's a "team ranking" tab. If you want to see how to score points for the team, you need to look at those rankings (and the points in those rankings).

Canada Vinster says:

Massman said: Yeah, older hardware.

For each hardware and global ranking, there's a "team ranking" tab. If you want to see how to score points for the team, you need to look at those rankings (and the points in those rankings).


ok, so just to make sure I understand as well. to best benifit the team best we need to bench HW other team members have not. and that will help our team the best? that would supress this possible HW charing fiasco?

These changes have been good for our small team... we are up there in the USA now...

Vin

United States Hondacity says:

not really old hardware... plain and simple..the hardware[ any hardware! ] must be in the top10(points/ranking wise). some guys are just benching popular hardware to get points. top 40 isn't good enough. they have to push it. i mean get top 5 or so to get maximum points.

Spain Predator says:

this new Rev is Macho Nacho Supreme :D

Belgium Massman says:

Predator said: this new Rev is Macho Nacho Supreme :D


WHOAH!

Highest possible quality rating! :D

Slovenia tiborrr says:

Please stop doing major changes to this site. A lot of people I talk to also lost interest in the site/hobby because of the constant changes. Do the changes and then STICK TO THEM FOR A COUPLE OF YEARS.
I like the loading speed though. Good job on the optimization.

Belgium richba5tard says:

Deal! But we only change the algorithm to make the community stop bitching about how ranking XYZ is unfair because they expected to get more points or others to get less. ;)

We don't invest a lot of time changing the algorithm for the fun of it, but because a large part of the community complains. A change in the algorithm is never, ever invoked by us.

That being said, I think the current rev4.3 algorithm is both fair and scalable, so I don't think it will change in the next few years. Rev4.0-4.2 had a team power points bug which made it likely that you "stole" points from team members, decreasing the team total points by making a better submission. This is something we had to fix.

Norway knopflerbruce says:

+1, this system is much better than the older revisions. A bit of tuning is also not the same as creating a whole new system from scratch.

Slovenia tiborrr says:

richba5tard said: That being said, I think the current rev4.3 algorithm is both fair and scalable, so I don't think it will change in the next few years.

Thanks RB! That is something I wanted to hear. Keep it up! :cool:

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