Making A Case For Unlocked Dual Core CPU - Research On Losing The Entry Level Overclockers

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Australia FatBoyNotSoSlim says:

Can you redo the graphs (can see them on Facebook, not on HWB right now) with the lines the same colour? (Extreme as just grey, premium as just orange etc.)

Belgium Massman says:

Yea, apologies for that. Excel has a weird way of randomly assigning colors ...

Bulgaria I.nfraR.ed says:

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Belgium Massman says:

How about now?

Belgium richba5tard says:

I can see them them, and I wasn't able to see them 20 minutes ago so I think it's solved.

Great article PJ! When I was a student I was able to buy a sub $100 processor (Athlon XP1700+) and overclock it to outperform the faster CPU available. I would never have been an overclocker if the cheapest overclockable CPU was > $200.

United States Gunslinger says:

I'm curious if the quad core domination of XTU submissions isn't because of the competition scheduling?

Sweden Calathea says:

Interesting read for sure. It's sad how budget oc has been so severely limited. I hope unlocked Pentium Dual core doesn't get too close to quad cores in price, it could be a fun chip to pick up for the lulz.

Australia alexluke42 says:

as a student and entry overclocker, I agree intel has destroyed overclocking in the entry segment, but I have moved to 2nd hand enthusiast gear (i7 920 x58 setup that I got for free), like many of my friends, and I don't see myself downgrading to a dual core in my main machine any time soon!

Belgium Massman says:

Gunslinger said: I'm curious if the quad core domination of XTU submissions isn't because of the competition scheduling?

Maybe, although one could argue that the purpose for submitting doesn't really matter. Whether you submit just for the leaderboards or specifically for a competition, in both cases you are actively engaged with overclocking.

Canada Trouffman says:

Interesting read !
The lock-down of OCing and pricetag put on the K SKUs to its magic.

Belgium Massman says:

FatBoyNotSoSlim said: Can you redo the graphs (can see them on Facebook, not on HWB right now) with the lines the same colour? (Extreme as just grey, premium as just orange etc.)

Updated with correct colors :)

Germany QAI says:

Todays entry overclockers start with systems from 775 era or older, then move up to stuff like the 1366. Even if there were unlocked dual cores, I'd still recommend the new guys to buy this kind of old hardware, as it teaches more about overclocking than simply raising the multiplier as many average K-sku users do today.
But that of course only applys mostly to those who buy hardware specifically for the purpose of benchmarking, and less to those who just want a faster 24/7 rig, then realize they can improve performance by overclocking and get into the szene this war. I think this last group is ceasing to exist, since today you either conciously buy an unlocked sku or you are told that you can not overclock anyway.

Russian Federation ZFeSS says:

The main problem is not here. Main problem is a fact that we've got only K cpus and no other for overclocking. Two models instead of 20-30 for each generation for the last 3 years in below 500$ market. It kills cpu overclocking. Main goal for this cpus (and especially for above 500$) is benching VGAs.
P.S. No word for AMD cause it's other topic.

Belgium Massman says:

Fyi, if you look at the Steam Hardware Survey, you can see almost 50% of the gamers are still running dual core. Market seems there ...

Norway knopflerbruce says:

If Intel releases an unlocked dual core, how many 4670k buyers will they lose? I bet a fair share just save up the extra $$$ just to get that extra perforrmance. I can understand if they won't release a chip like that (maybe they could release a semi-nulocked chip with unlocked MP up to, say, 45).

United States david.hunt. says:

Massman: Very food article and a good read.

My feelings are what has lead to the lack of new overclockers has many factors.

The economy is one BUT to me the biggest one is with the current Intel chips the variables that used to be available in the prior to say 2600K days are gone. Look back and see how many spent hours or even weeks working for that last little bit of FSB to gain higher computational power, the balance between multi and FSB and that is gone now. Sure with a X or K chip one can bump the multi until the chip won't function and find the limits but that takes most of the skill level out of the game.

Think back to the days when Sampsa was soldering in different PLL controllers to gain that advantage BUT now these capabilities are all locked away from us. Granted the chips are much more efficient but the ability to adjust them has been removed. When I reviewed the SR2 board back in 2010 I remember saying "This may be the first time where the current generation of chips is better than the next" and as that applies to what you can do with them I was correct. It was a business( money) decision on Intel's part as they saw people buying $290.00 E5620 Xeons and getting the performance from them on that board that would normally need the $1700.00 top binned X5680's/. IE: They lost a lot of potential money.

Same thing with the timeframe of the I7-920's. Some kid could buy the under $300.00 920, get his under $200.00 gaming board, run the BCLK to 200 with a 20 multi and take his 2660MHz cpu to 4GHz and those people didn't buy the top end 965 that sold for $1000.00.If you doubt what I say then think on this: The desktop version of the I7-920 came out well before the dual QPI xeon version and when the xeon version came out the Intel reference board had a added circuit to the PLL controller. This circuit contained a "patrol chip" whose sole purpose was to keep the chips from booting at anything over 1333. This I know for a fact as I spent months trying to OC a dualie 1366 and figure out why it wasn't possible including spending an afternoon in email with Franck(cpuz) trying maybe 20 different clockgens that he wrote to get around the lock Intel had on the system. It was that frustration that caused me to sit and trace all the circuitry and find this chip.

My point here is Intel makes decisions based on money and not what we the overclocking community want. WE are a small thorn in their side and to placate us they "allow the kiddies" as they see us. to have a few unlocked multi chips to keep us quiet. Think back to the timeframe before the SR2 board and all I was told by our tall French friend was " those chips are different than the desktop chips and they will not OC" and that was utter crap. I'd say BS but I'm trying to be polite. We see the same thing now with the current gen, locked solid with misinformation being spread by Intel about thermals,etc.. "Those chips won't run faster" and that is pure BS!

OK, bottom line is what you are missing is that you aren't dealing with a company that wants to work with the community but one that is solely driven by bottom line net dollars. That isn't wrong of them as lets face it, Business is business, BUT we have to understand that fact and stop beating our heads against a wall trying to deal with them.

United Kingdom Jumper118 says:

This is funny because i would really want a dual core intel cpu that is unlocked. Its not really the price of the i5 and i7, its the cooling required to get decent results that puts me off. At the end of last year i went intel. I had the choice of sandy, ivy or haswell. I went with Sandybridge purely for the reason that i stood a chance against people who are underwater in the same league. I know i wasn't going to beat sub 0 people, but with low ambient temps i can keep up with people under water with a sandy cpu. The other thing that put me off haswell was that i spend £240 on a 4770k and it will likely oc to 4.4ghz then hit a wall. Sandy is much more reliable in terms of high ghz. Ive turned to fm2+ for dual cores now anyway, ive got an unlocked a6 5400k and a 370k, because intel have nothing that i can oc in that price range. You even get a north bridge and bclk to mess with.

On another note, im not sure about your classification. Its seems the more you spend the more of an enthusiastic you become which often isnt the case. I see a lot of people with extreme cpus that dont know what they are doing. Whereas you have people like me who have less money so go and buy older stuff which isnt that relevant anymore like socket 478 and 939 and buy multiple cpus and a very high end board to learn and improve their overclocking skills and knowledge.

Australia Jimba says:

Good point! I to would buy a dual core for haswell fun. I brought parts that would of cost me the same as A very high end rig in 09 for cheap today. And just for benching as the older parts have more to tweak and play with.

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