HWBOT Team Cup 2015 - SC2: GPU Challenge
Today we soft-launch the Team Cup 2015; feel free to check out the stages. The competition runs until 30/09 but beware: the stages close at different times and some require immediate attention. Full overview and details on 01/08. Let the games begin!
In this sub-competition you'll find mostly GPU related challenges
Participate
- This competition is closed. You can no longer join
- HWBOT Team Cup 2015 - SC2: GPU Challenge is closed since 30 September 2015
- This competition is between teams
Stages
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Stage 1 -
Cloud Gate Target: 250
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Stage 2 -
Aquamark3 Lowest Score
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Stage 3 -
3DMark Fire Strike Extreme 1xGPU
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Stage 4 -
3DMark99 Max 1x 6600 GT
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Stage 5 -
3DMark Vantage Kabini
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Stage 6 -
3DMark01 Fury
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Stage 7 -
Catzilla 576P LGA775 IGP
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Stage 8 -
3DMark06 1x 9800GX2
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Stage 9 -
3DMark03 Fastest AGP
Ranking
| # | Participant | Stage 1 | Stage 2 | Stage 3 | Stage 4 | Stage 5 | Stage 6 | Stage 7 | Stage 8 | Stage 9 |
Points
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| 1 |
41 pts
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22 pts
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50 pts
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36 pts
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41 pts
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28 pts
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30 pts
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30 pts
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28 pts
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306 pts | |
| 2 |
14 pts
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28 pts
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30 pts
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22 pts
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50 pts
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41 pts
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32 pts
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26 pts
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41 pts
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284 pts | |
| 3 |
28 pts
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13 pts
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41 pts
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28 pts
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32 pts
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36 pts
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28 pts
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50 pts
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256 pts | ||
| 4 |
16 pts
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14 pts
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20 pts
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24 pts
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28 pts
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26 pts
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28 pts
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50 pts
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36 pts
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242 pts | |
| 5 |
50 pts
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36 pts
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26 pts
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20 pts
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17 pts
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36 pts
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32 pts
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217 pts | |||
| 6 |
10 pts
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15 pts
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16 pts
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24 pts
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30 pts
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50 pts
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32 pts
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24 pts
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201 pts | ||
| 7 |
24 pts
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2 pts
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10 pts
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50 pts
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20 pts
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24 pts
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30 pts
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160 pts | |||
| 8 |
13 pts
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5 pts
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15 pts
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32 pts
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41 pts
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19 pts
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125 pts | ||||
| 9 |
32 pts
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32 pts
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19 pts
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36 pts
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119 pts | ||||||
| 10 |
36 pts
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3 pts
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8 pts
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26 pts
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24 pts
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20 pts
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117 pts |
I can see the 9800GX2 stage is going to be a real challenge
New mods needed?
Hehe, yeah. Sorry for that, it's 3DMark06.
Result moderators?
Or voltage modifications?
All new type.. core mods to add DirectX11!
No likes for the Fury stage?
haha, must say I hoped that Id never have to tough a Rage 128 pro again, Just glad you guys didnt decide to run it in Aquamark (if it even works there?) as that would have been like few hours runs
Ha, you got me there
I thought it is the new Fury...
I did until I saw the price of a fury Maxx now, over £100 to get one in the UK
The target score stage , is a fail , for this kind of competition.
Think about it.
Because everyone can do it?
I like it.
Not because of that.
Because of it's ranking system.
1st submission get's the top ranking and all the rest get nothing (i mean less and less points).
At least that's what i see right now.
Country cup is not a speedy competition with a narrow time frame.
All teams must have a reasonable time to prepare and a fair chance to fight for 1st place.
You cant write , that there is a soft launch at 15/07/2015
Then wait for full throttle at 01/08/2015.
The stage ends 15/09/2015
But the top ranking goes to the 1st submission.
Come on.
Where does it say that this is a time frame stage ?
I just thought it was an anti-sandbagging stage. 1 stage out of 30 isn't serious, and to be fair, the description did say that there were stages that are time sensitive. I believe the exact wording was "and some require immediate attention".
Why not just plug a graphics card in and get it done. Only takes about 2 hours to get the score with the right card so stop complaining and start competing!!!
Maybe I was unlucky, but took 3 tries to hit 249 points and over 80 to hit 250
I feel that if you complete the task you should get the top score anyway. After all, it's based on a fair bit of luck - it's a competition, not a lottery
Please fix the problem with this stage-6
http://oc-esports.io/#!/round/team_cup_2015_sc2/2365/cloud_gate_target:_250
Give the same points , to whoever , gets the target score or change the whole stage project.
Are you boycotting the stage then? Why not get a score up while there are still some good points to be had? I mean its not F1 racing, TechSweden hasn't won it already.
I'm pretty sure it was intentional so I don't see it getting changed.
Not sure if it was noticed but the engine is taking all submissions made in the cloud gate target 250 subcomp and adding them all together on the leader board as 1 leader with 243 points...
Plus there are no team designations as to what team is ranked what...
Have you read my previous post ?
I think i made my self clear enough , about the reasons that are wrong.
Can you please answer my question below ?
A new team created today , wants to participate to Team Cup.
Do they have a chance to fight for 1st place in this stage ?
Not any more, but that is the way the stage was designed. I would argue that if a team was created one day before the competition, it might be the ONLY stage it had a chance of winning. The other 29 stages are heavily biased towards large teams, lots of hardware/sponsored teams, and those teams that are able to gather and share LN2 costs, etc. Should we start handicapping teams that have an advantage in some way. Perhaps if a team is based in a small country, perhaps of 132,000 square kilometers, they should get an automatic reduction in points because of how geographically close they are. I mean we are concerned with this new team being created right?
I honestly, could care less if they give everyone the same points or not, but the overview quite clearly states their was a stage that was time sensitive. If a team missed that clue, followed by the fact that only one stage was open, then why complain about it now? Sour grapes?
We are not transmitting at the same band.
Our frequencies are very far apart.
I have the feeling that you are trying to convince me that the original blackboard is white.
If English is your native language , can you please define "soft launch" ?
What i can tell you nevertheless is , that ...
A bad idea will always be a bad idea
Wrong will always be wrong.
I would appreciate , if somebody could explain to me , what the following text in the picture means , in plain English.
I think I figured out what the issue is here. The ranking is almost normal again ... only need a small fix
It's doing it as a user score and not a team one, probably where the issue lies.
Clever man
can I get cloud gate add to my team score
Scotty tell your team to slow down a bit so I can catch up
Not sure if sarcasm, or you really don't know me
I'm far from clever
No, I was being serious. Pretty sure that's the bug
Woop, I did a good thing finally
Looks like i'm asking too much.
or
Nobody here has English as native language.
I do, so I noticed that some stages require immediate attention
On the 15th the competition started, but there's an advantage to the active HWBOT members because we don't do an official announcement.
The official announcement/email/social stuff follows on 1st of August.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soft_launch
Whatever you do, do not look up at Urban Dictionary..... just saying.
Wondering if you have some maintenance going on, getting the opps screen when trying upload an AM3 or GPUPI score and the wall messages aren’t loading.
i think target score stage is a nice idea, but it shoud be a little bit different: the target shoud be a secret until the stage starts. if the target is known before, everybody has already the result and will upload it within the first seconds. that´s imho boring and has nothing to do with the benchmark. the benchmark itself will be pointless
but if the target is secret until the stage is open, everybody has to hurry to choose the best benchsystem and clocks and try to hit the target first
i guess it would be much more fun, wouldn´t it?
As far as I know the target score was disclosed when the stage was opened?
And I don't see the point in announcing a target stage without the target score. You still have no idea what kind of hardware you need.
So , you decited to give ranking and points , to a particular stage , before official announcement ?
And users await for their full competition review on August 1st ?
And that's concidered a good-smart idea ?
From the link you provided , i assume that i had undesdood - translated correctly the overview text of the team cup.
"soft launch is the release .... to a limited audience"
"hard launch is making it generally available or else grand opening"
What more can i say ?
Have a nice competition.
As the person that took home the stage Id say that if there was one thing to change for next year it would be to have a harder target.
It took me ~80 rounds to hit the target with roughly 10 hits of 1 point under/over before that. If the target was lets say 25.000 instead of 250 the chanse of anyone hitting the exakt target would be alot smaller due to a larger spread of the score between each run.
I like it when the guys are enthusiastic.
Oh you do, do you?
:banana:
Stage 1 - Aquamark3 Lowest Score
Comrades, write the normal aquamark scheduler or please to be blo humanly send screenshots. "Invalid data file: Unable to parse the datafile" - tired This is bearable when the test is a few minutes. But then he goes day and get this garbage
Lose the desire to participate
RomanLV same thing here. spent all day on aquamark and it won't save properly
Don't feel so bad, it happens to me to, take a look at this score and I can't upload jack. Same Unable to parse datafile
My old Hot Rod
Maybe Genieben knows what's going on
In stage 5, 3DMark01 Fury, is Rage 128 Ultra allowed?
Doubt it, wasn't a fury card.
But what defines a Fury-card? I mean, Rage 128 Pro IS Rage Fury Pro. It's only Fury MAXX that had Fury in the name. Isn't Ultra basically the same card as Pro only higher frequencies?
It's a good question, but suppose you had a competition for 280X only, would 7970 be allowed too? Same core different name. I know it's slightly different but it's all in a name.
At the end of the day I can only guess and I don't know the answer. Wait for one of the mods to make a decision.
Googled it now, and Ultra actually have lower clock speeds. I have to check my collection to see if I have pro or ultra or both.
I was confused on this also, wiki doesn't list Fury Pro as a Rage card at all, only the MAXX
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_AMD_graphics_processing_units#Rage_Series
And this old review seems to infer that Fury Pro = Rage Pro
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/ati-rage-fury-pro-review,133.html
So really not sure how to approach the stage, well other than use a Fury MAXX I guess.
Planning on a Fury Pro unless I hear different.
So they are separate cards? The Fury Pro is a Rage 128 Pro but not all Rage 128 Pro = Fury Pro?
So what is a "Fury Pro" then? As I see it every Rage 128 Pro-gpu based card that isn't a xpert 2000 Pro is in fact a Fury Pro.
I'm holding in my hand right now, a Rage 128 Pro that is neither Xpert 2000 or Fury Pro. I can post a pic if you like.
*shrug* I guess.
But I don't think they were labelled "Fury Pro". Just that the Rage 128 Pro gpu was used for two cards, and those were sold as either Fury Pro or xpert 2000 Pro.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/389
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/ati-rage-fury-pro-review,133.html
http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/graphics/display/ati-furypro.html
why my submission did not bring my team points
http://oc-esports.io/#!/round/team_cup_2015_sc2/2365/cloud_gate_target:_250
http://hwbot.org/submission/2932948_
It looks like it wasn't submitted to the competition.
it is the competition N 11 .
http://oc-esports.io/#!/round/team_cup_2015_sc2/2365/cloud_gate_target:_250'>http://oc-esports.io/#!/round/team_cup_2015_sc2/2365/cloud_gate_target:_250
but not for the team points
http://oc-esports.io/#!/round/team_cup_2015_sc2
The stage is still broken, still waiting on a fix for it. It appears the entire CloudGate stage is being added together and not adding to the team total. Everyone is in the same boat, it will be fixed before the end of the competition I'm sure.
Watching dia schow
Edit 1:Whit stock settinds.need to find a way to downclok,after ±1h stil watching
Lol this need more time than i was thinking.
Stil my furst stock run.
Edit: its 23:00 in belgium,time to sleap.and let the diaschow continiu
Seems that I have one not listed in those links, an ATI 3D Rage Pro Turbo.... However could be it is one of the linked cards with a different name, I dunno.
I have at least three variants of the Rgae cards including the one shown in the first link.
You have to lift the heat sink, if it doesn't say Rage 128 Pro on the heatspreader it's not a Fury-card.
Since its hard to tell which card is a Fury-card, I think that either all Rage 128 Pro based cards should be allowed or only Fury MAXX cards.
No heatspreader, looking at the bare core of the GPU to get the info of what it "is".
I agree, seems ATI made several variants of this card model but all look to be more or less the same in their overall specs. Maybe a touch more RAM on one model or something (Later revision?) but roughly the same thing.
I agree that the cores are effecitvely the same thing, but for the sake of not overcomplicating things can we just keep it to those with fury in the name.
Concerning AM3 low score if you have a 30+ hour run is it going to count as all 5 subs for the special achievement?
Where does it say "Fury" on the card? On some sticker? On the PCB? Most of us don't have retail boxes.
Damm a ±12h aquamark3 run lost. o_O
But gone.re start now,if system boots to xp o_O
The Cloud Gate target stage has been fixed - All teams should've gotten a boost
RomanLV ja verno ponjal chto u tebja rezalt ne gruzitsja sajt rugaetsja i ne prinimaet?
RomanLV ja pro aquamark,ne znayu kak tut koment pravit
Anyone else having problem with that stupid frame 643 in the aquamark lowclock test? Doesnt mater if I got the system setup to reach it in 15 mins or 5h, it still get stuck on that single frame every run when I try and go below 500 in score.
Have we came up with a conclusion about the Fury stage ?
Which vga cards are allowed ? (other than fury maxx)
Which are the criteria of the moderating team in case of validation asked ?
Helpfull info ?
http://www.vgamuseum.info/index.php/home/item/111-ati-rage-128-pro
Are we accepting the clocks shown by powerstrip ?
...and even more.
Since gpu-z is of NO use for this stage (usefull for dev_id) ?
Which software can we all of us agree to use ?
Aida ?
Well, I went through 5 rage 128 Pro cards until I actually found one that was identified as a Fury in GPU-Z
@Strunkenbold, what's the verdict on the Fury cards?
Looks like the old ATI Fury is as problematic as the new AMD Fury
New Fury is problematic? This must be a joke.
These old ones are a mess.
There was Rage Fury based on 128GL and a Rage Fury Pro based on 128Pro. Thats all we definitely know.
The existence of Rage Fury Pro category is actually a mistake. In the same way we would have to create a XPERT 2000 PRO or a Rage Magnum category. But that wont make sense.
If you ask me either allow only Rage Fury Maxx to make sure only "real" rage cards do participate or allow Rage 128 and Rage 128 Pro with the slight possibility that some non Fury card slip through into the competition.
Work is in progress and I really like to say thanks to havli for helping me with research.
I just created a mess in the atom section and need to clean that first after going on with Rage.
can anyone remove the fake results ??
http://oc-esports.io/#!/round/team_cup_2015_sc2/2366/catzilla_576p_lga775_igp
the first two results are not made in the 775 integrated graphics
Fur test (GPU) the result is too large.
In this case, only the tab graphics card in CPU-Z guarantees that only an integrated graphics card
What makes you think Rasparthe's result is invalid?
http://hwbot.org/submission/2971828
Why go right to the cheat accusations? I can assure you that I have no time for cheating, not in my submissions or my teams. I moderate them all the time. I'm sure the mods can attest to that.
Catzilla was a bad choice of benchmark for this stage since it barely, barely runs on 775 IGP. Maybe its throwing up borked runs, I don't know, there are no existing runs for comparison. I saw I was higher than the runs that were (AwardFabrik in 2nd) there but I was using better hardware (Quad compared to Dual) and higher clocked RAM (important for IGP runs) so didn't see a problem. I have other runs in the 300s as well. I didn't get close to 1st place but needed more time to work out the runs I figured.
There is no need to head straight to cheat accusations. You reported the run, the mods can decided. If its not valid, I'll gladly take it down, I'm interested in seeing your runs you are basing the accusations on.
Looks legit to me - I checked that and yes, the board model he used does have onboard graphics.
His GPU-Z reading shows he did use the onboard IGP so from here it looks valid.
However let the mods do their job, I do believe this one will stand but if it's borked somehow, I'm sure they'll say so.
If any of them are bugged it's the 2332 run that's in first right now. That looks very out of place and not all the test scores are showing.
Rasparthe
OK
Tell us - how you got on the GPU test values at the level of GeForce GTX TITAN+:
Hardware (GPU+CPU) - 196
Physics (CPU) - 68
Fur (GPU) - 5843
Fluid (GPU) - 14551
Raymarch (GPU) - 4044
I specifically looked at the results of more than a dozen - on any weak graphics card is no such values.
if you claim the correctness of your result - prove that the system is no more cards.
Make unwrapped screenshot or video.
you're right - I apologize to you.
i3 2120/8gb/intel HD graphics = 554
Hardware (GPU+CPU) - 576
Physics (CPU) - 66
Fur (GPU) - 42
Fluid (GPU) - 32
Raymarch (GPU) - 21
I would like to have seen a response moderators...
You have obviously done much more research on the subject than I have. You are correct though something doesn't look right. I stand by the fact I only put up the score because it appeared in line with the ones that were posted, but I didn't look closely at the subscores. I will gladly take it down.
In the future, you may want to start with asking mods to look at a score, give a reason why you think their is an issue and then ramp up to cheat accusations. Starting the other way just looks like sour grapes. I still look forward to seeing your scores though I imagine all that research will pay off.
you are my questions are not answered.
what is the point to argue with you?
let them decide moderators.
There is really no need for cheat accusations.
Rasparthe is a valued member of this community and if his score is out of line that would be an honest mistake and nothing else.
TASOS
My offer is valid.
Show the result with an open tab graphics cards in CPU-Z.
@you're right - I apologize to you@
viper, have you tried running Catzilla on 775 IGP yet? Give it a try and report back with your findings.
Quick hint, the benchmark won't even open if your memory isn't above 600MHz. Not to criticize whoever chose this stage but Catzilla is about the worst benchmark possible to run on IGP. I'm sure it's bugging on nearly every run.
No need for accusations in cheating.
Sure, the run is bugged, but you know what... it happened to me several times on various cards (much newer and powerful than this).
It is most probably a stability problem. At a certain point in the benchmark the system fails and the points for subtests get inflated a lot.
I can imagine on that slow system you can't really tell if the benchmark froze or still running normally. Don't have such system, but I bet it is pushing it very hard.
As it is said: you're innocent by default, until proven guilty.
Bench does throw a lot of whacky scores and a great number of folks haven’t ran it that much so don’t know that much about it. That’s one good thing about it being used in the TC by letting folks know what is generally used for determining bugged runs.
Personally have had three or four runs way out of line with cards that others had posted scores with so had something to compare to. Ran a Quadro FX 570 three or so months ago which had a high Raymarch compared to the other sub tests but was present on every run, did note it in the remarks section. Cards before and after seemed in line same hardware and OS.
viper may I suggest you take a breathe and calm down for a second, as others have stated if any mistake was made then it would be an innocent one and not intended by Rasparthe.
I suggest you let the mods do their work and not start a witch hunt in the forums
So what is the official ruling on this? Are Rage Pro cards allowed? Only MAXX? Only 4 days left in this stage so would like the clarification. Personally I can't seem to find a Rage Fury Pro, only Rage 128 Pros.
You can submit with your 128 Pro card in the Rage Fury Pro category as I probably will merge them later.
Rage 128 Pro is Fury Pro.
Ok I finally sorted those Rage cards. Rage Fury cards where always 128bit and 32Mb Memory. Means, you can submit with:
Rage 128 (128bit, 32Mb)
Rage 128 pro (128bit, 32Mb)
And dont forget to attach a GPU-Z or Everest / AIDA window! Best is both.
Massman, please also allow Rage (128bit, 32Mb).
Current version of gpu-z , is practically useless.
The only thing it can read correct , is the device-id.
It wont read the correct bus width.
It may display wrong things but it still shows useful information.
If there is SDR and 64bit displayed means: SDR 128bit
If there is DDR and 64bit displayed means: SDR 64bit
To be really sure you have to use everest / aida. Powerstrip is not enough.
I had to drop many results in the 128bit section because of no validation though I know that all score under 1000points are basically made with 64bit memory interface.
Just to be sure before i start a run with aquamark, windows 8.1 IS allowed for unoverclockable systems right? (Dell venue 8 pro with Atom Z3740D in this case)
Honestly, I think not. It may be logical but it's still outside of the rules.
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