In the global Overclocking diaspora the natives are restless in anticipation of another barnstorming contest that pits nation against nation to establish one salient fact: Which country can line up the best overclockers in 2015?
In previous years we’ve seen Country Cup wins for Romania, Poland, Greece and Australia. In fact last year Australia proved to be global top dogs with a thoroughly dominant display which saw them take first place in every stage. In 2015 can the French, runners-up from last year, make a bigger impact this time around, or will third place finishers Indonesia push the Aussies further? Check the Rules tab for more information and see what this year’s Country Cup has in store for us
Hosted at OC-ESPORTS and running from November 1st to December 20th, the Country Cup is a lot like the World Cup of Overclocking and it’s not for the faint of heart. It consists of five stage that invite the best overclockers from around the world to bench on the best hardware they can get their hands on.
The stages of the Country Cup work a little differently from most other contests by HWBOT. Each stage requires either 1, 5 or 10 submissions, each using a different CPU or graphics card. This helps to enhance the team nature of the contest, favoring the team that can best organize themselves for optimal scoring.
As ever we are fortunate to have plenty of prizes up for grabs for this year’s Country Cup. Thanks to our main partner G.SKILL, GIGABYTE, Thermal Grizzly, Kingpincooling, and HWBOT. Here is the prize list in full.
Additional prizes include lucky draw prizes from G.SKILL and Thermal Grizzly (5x 5.55g Kryonaut).
| # | Participant | Stage 1 | Stage 2 | Stage 3 | Stage 4 | Stage 5 |
Points
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| 1 |
17 pts
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40 pts
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40 pts
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30 pts
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25 pts
|
152 pts | |
| 2 |
24 pts
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29 pts
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33 pts
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25 pts
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17 pts
|
128 pts | |
| 3 |
20 pts
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33 pts
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29 pts
|
16 pts
|
19 pts
|
117 pts | |
| 4 |
50 pts
|
14 pts
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22 pts
|
17 pts
|
9 pts
|
112 pts | |
| 5 |
41 pts
|
24 pts
|
13 pts
|
15 pts
|
14 pts
|
107 pts | |
| 6 |
22 pts
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18 pts
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26 pts
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19 pts
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15 pts
|
100 pts | |
| 7 |
26 pts
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22 pts
|
14 pts
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13 pts
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22 pts
|
97 pts | |
| 8 |
30 pts
|
17 pts
|
18 pts
|
12 pts
|
16 pts
|
93 pts | |
| 9 |
36 pts
|
20 pts
|
12 pts
|
14 pts
|
10 pts
|
92 pts | |
| 10 |
18 pts
|
26 pts
|
17 pts
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22 pts
|
7 pts
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90 pts |
Haha
38 days till start!
I'm counting down every minute
yea, really looking forward to see what kind of Hardware will be used this time
Maybe we can actually get some interest in it this year. I tried a few places but just seemed that no one was interested in pulling for the Great White North.
,Guess you and I will have to take on the world!
Hope the stages are pre-tested a little more, or at least a little more orthodox, compared to the TC. Some frustrating stages these past few months.
Hells yeah, I'm game. We could probably drag marc into it for the big guns.
And yes some of them were just too hard to find parts/people to participate.
:woot:
...So Massman, how about that classic view on hwbot and not the esports site?
I think I'm going to have to pass on this one... I need to do regular benching lol
You'll have whatever support the HWC community can provide this year. Last year was just a mess for me life-wise.
Awesome, our crew is building.
This event sounds like a lot of fun cant wait for Nov 1
Winter temp is finally coming!
Looking to see/find if any Puerto Rico benchers would be interested in collaborating for this years country cup...
I'll bench for PR Frank.
I'm a mercenary anyway.
eso lo que es :nana:
We will rock su mundo.
uhmmm I will have to change my flag this year...
I'm definitely up for Canada as the global overlords in the country cup!
I'll also second the whole hope stages aren't as.... let's say "unique" as the Team Cup was (because unique sounds a lot nicer than frustrating!
)
Typically they're "unique" but not as ridiculous as team cup.
UUUUUUUUUUU...........SSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS............AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA..............................lol
Team Cup this year was like a bad combo between Old School is Best School and watching paint dry
i liked the team cup. some interesting hardware was required. i hope the country cup is similar.
I hope I dont spend the first half of it on ebay.
I liked about half of it. The other half (i.e. pre 2005) belongs in Old School, IMO.
Team Cup has always had a strong old school component - that wasn't something new for this year or anything like that. I think the comp is intentionally designed to offer a mix of old, new, expensive and cheap.
All the "slowest," "lowest" and "most boring" stages were new-ish, though. I know some folks found those a real hoot and a holler. But personally, not my idea of a good time.
I share that with you.
The Team Cup is aimed at a wider variety of overclocking activities, which includes legacy hardware as well as sometimes odd stages like "slowest". It's a longer contest too, which allows for a wider variety
The Country Cup is aimed at the more recent hardware.
(fixed)
It's also the worst time of year to organise anything.
which I'm sure is intentional
as long as the required hardware can run the specified benches .. and rule clarification .. i never did get an answer to my questions but there is always next year. ..
thinking about having a hardware sale with 486/pentium boards / via boards / igp boards that dont run catzilla .. special !
Glad we are on the same team
Those participating for the greatest country in the world, please add me on Skype. We have a TEAM USA!!!!! group chat going.
Skype: tnalley27
You may not want to add him on Skype. He seems untrustworthy and can't stop changing his mind....
Well I can't just let you Canadians be the only ones fighting the Aussies and the French...
The US came in 7th place last year. That's only acceptable in education!
I don't have much hardware left but I'll see if I can contribute somewhere! Go Canada!
When the list of tasks will be known? I see 5 stages http://hwbot.org/competition/country_cup_2015/ but without details.
:ws:
Details will be announced soon ...
You're 14th in education though
I hope the last stage limits the number of gpus that can be used because gpupi can make use of 8 gpus unless you want people to be running 8k of gpus
Full out refers to your wallet
If you thought overclocking was expensive before you ain't seen nothing yet
At least it it could be run on a old sever board
Me too - If I have the stuff I'll play as well. :nana:
http://oc-esports.io/#!/article/3146/hwbot_country_cup_2015_kicks_off_november_1st
Prepare yourselfes men, war is coming.
For FS IGP stage, i suppose FMx APU are greatly encouraged ?
Just a fast question
Stage 1 - 3DMark06 Nvidia HWpts: use 10 different single GPU Nvidia graphics cards, each from a different family. The ranking is based on the sum of the hardware points of the ten results. There are 50 points for the winning country
The bolded part referes to different core or different naming family?
For example would a gtx 680 and a gtx770 be seen as different family when its the same card?
Correct Lanbonden:
Encouraged?
I mean, it's not restricted to Intel IGP ?
Question:
FM2 and FM2+ counted as different socket?
DDR3L & DDR3 counted as different types?
Server/workstation components allowed?
Thanks
You can use any IGP, the brand doesn't matter.
- FM2 and FM2+ are different sockets.
- DDR3L and DDR3 both fall under the DDR3 category
- Anything you think may work best in the full out stage!
Oh, and one more just to make sure: All components have to be retail and not ES? Or ES allowed?
Propose change of team name from Australia OC to KangarooKlanOC
Also, Titan cards, are we placing these in 7 and 9 series or are they their own?
And are there any ruling on i3 6320 CPU being restricted due to availability?
Titan card is an interesting one, I suppose they have to be classed under the generation they were released with. I.e. original titan with 600 and latest with 900 etc.
I dont know if it comes under "series"
ie, Titan X under 9 series as per http://hwbot.org/hardware/videocards#key=nvidia_geforce_900_series
Titan / Titan BE http://hwbot.org/hardware/videocards#key=nvidia_geforce_600_series_
Thats how I suspect it is though.
More questions about NV:
- how about Quadro vs Geforce from the same generation?
- 9800 is considered different family from 8800?
- 7800 and 7900 are considered the same family? G70 and G71 are quite different from each other
Any ES Hardware allowed?
Just to be sure - only one score per person counts for each stage, right?
So if it's by numbered families then the 10 most recent are: 900 (and Titan X), 800M, 700 (and Titan), 600, 500, 400, 300M, 200, 9000 and 8000, right? I'm assuming the mobile GPUs are allowed since it doesn't say otherwise. But high-end 7000 would likely trump 300M anyway, wouldn't it?
Stage 1 - 3DMark06 Nvidia HWpts: use 10 different single GPU Nvidia graphics cards, each from a different family. The ranking is based on the sum of the hardware points of the ten results. There are 50 points for the winning country
So performance does not mater, you just need a hige ranked score with a popular card.
Everyone will be using the same cards so I would think performance would matter, the first part will be getting all 10 subs, when each person is only allowed one per stage.
EDIT: To make it about a relevant stage...
How does the scoring work exactly? Is the average score over all your subs, so a country that only subs one score (say 8 core in the Geekbench stage) won't be bogged down by the other scores and will win by not submitting anything else. Or will a country that submits 5 scores be ranked higher than a country that submits 4 scores no matter what the average is? Or is your total score divided by 5?.
I cant find anything that says only one score per person?
And its based on the total HW score from a maxium of 10 submisions, so a team with one score of 50 HW points will get 50 points, a team with 5 submissions for an average of 20 points will get 100points in total and a team with 10 submissions with 16 points in average with get 160 points in total.
This meens that you dont have to score in all rounds but it ofc helps. And it also meens that a good score giving 50 points with for example a gtx580 is more worth then winning a pokal with a geforce4 for 10HW points
Not sure if this has been asked and answered; sorry.
In the case where there are not many country benchers, can ONE bencher submit for all stages?
Example: Stage-1. Can I submit for each of the 10 different gpu's? Or must it be a different member for each different card?
I know Puerto Rico has no chance in hell to finish in the top spots because I am always the only one from PR entering, but at least a fighting chance would be better than no chance.
Thank you
I don't think it works that way. This is just how I'm reading it but I read it this way. Its not the best Nvidia cards for each stage, but the most hardware points. So it doesn't matter if you use the very best cards, only the popularity of the card matters. I'm assuming if you use a FX5200 and take top spot you'll get 7.8 hardware points. That 7.8 gets added to all the other scores your country supplies. The highest total will receive the 50 points for 1st place.
But perhaps I'm reading it wrong as well.
Thats just what I tried to say, problem is to many things called points. Rewriting it slightly even tho I think we meen the same thing.
I believe that is how it works, yes. But I don't think they are averaging your scores for that stage at all. Whatever your HW points are, they are totaled and thats your score, no averaging. The top total will receive the 50 competition points.
Exactly we agree then
Just said an average of 20 HW points as it was easier to write then 30+25+17+22+6 which is the same as 5x20 = 100 points
I also understood it like that.
Got it, so it really doesn't matter which generation, just how many HW points you get. Makes sense now.
The last few years Country Cup has been that each person can only contribute once per stage, I'm assuming it will be the same this year but we should get clarification to that effect.
Right, the generation only matters for cards allowed. Your country can't get HW points for a 970 and a 980 Ti, only the score worth more Hardware Points will be used, which could be the 970.
It is very important for small countries and as result small person Teams. It is not good idea that one person can submit score once. It will make to bench for one person some results and give it's own results to other person in Team, it's now good way I think.
I dont see any reason why , hwbot should not let , a one man army , to represent his country.
Just to make things clear.
Memory categories are the following only ?
I dont want surprises ... so-dimm style
One person can submit once per stage, but can submit on all stages ^^
I have a question about XTU 1 -> 8c stage.
Only processors with real physical cores can participate on selected stage? Like celeron G470, 465, 460, 440 for 1c, or it can be a i5-3570K with 1 core active, for example?
Thanks
Physical cores dude, this has always been this way
Lots of good questions here :celebration:
Retail hardware only, engineering samples not allowed. Hardware must be launched before the start of the competition.
Titan cards are placed in the family they're launched in. So,
Core i3 6320 has been launched, no restriction due to low availability in the Country Cup.
Correct. I will highlight this on the rules page. Sometimes it's the most obvious things that we forget on the competition page, but just like any other Country Cup, one person can only contribute once to each of the stages.
Thanks for highlighting this!
(sorry to those with minimal activity in their country, but this is how the Country Cup works)
This is correct for all stages, except the first (nvidia hwpts) and last stage (gpupi). Countries are ranked by 1) how many of the required scores have been made and 2) the average score of the relevant subs of the country. So, firstly it's important to make all the submissions, then secondly to get the best average.
Yes, there will be heavy bottle-necking by the slower scores. But that's just something you have to take into account when organizing the submissions ...
As for the Nvidia stage: as some already pointed out: you need 10 scores by 10 people with 10 graphic cards from different families. What matters is not the benchmark score, but the hardware points. It is up to you to figure out which cards are the best pick for this stage.
Correct. There is no distinction between normal, low-power, or so-dimm format.
Correct
Good question, physical cores only
Any stages going to be ambient? Would be nice if non extreme could potentially contribute even if mixing it with extreme benchers.
You guys can compete in all stages, it's hard to limit competition stages like this to ambient only since people are trying to max out everything to win
Vantage does not matter. Stage is all about 3DMark 06.
Best submission per person for a country should win as always. If you have other scores (lower HW points) with different VGA in the stage, then they should not be taken into account.
Change the question to two GPUs then, simply put would it go back to another submission if the old top score drops so its not top anymore?
rewriten example below.
Yes, that should be correct, but it would be good if we have official confirmation.
Technically you can submit in all stages and only your best sub will be counted in your country total.
Unless the engine is broken, if anyone else from your country submits with another card different from your best, then your score with that one should not block his score.
Example:
1. you submit:
- 560Ti: 44pts
- GTX280: 39pts
2. A fellow submits:
- GTX280: 28pts
Even when your GTX280 sub is better than his, your current best is with 560Ti, so your GTX280 gets invalidated for the comp and his subs count to the total.
That's how the engine is supposed to work, if I'm not wrong.
If points update due to other users inflating points or pushing your sub to lower place, then it should adjust itself.
But...maybe we need to carefully pick manually. Honestly I don't know for sure, so an explanation would be needed.
I don't think there had been such case since now and maybe it is not implemented at all...
Going to require a LOT of communication. Unless there's a way for HWBot to automate the process?
EDIT:
Can't find it anywhere in the US. Not even on eBay. Hope it starts showing up at some point.
The Country Cup requires a lot of communication, yes. It is possible (and has happened) that someone blocks another user from contributing because he submitted with multiple hardware. Also, the engine will not find the best combination of scores for you. If you have a 50pts score in category X and 40pts in category Y and another user has 45pts in category X and none in categoy Y, the engine will consider the 50pts your contribution to the country average instead of your friend's 45pts and your 40pts.
The Novice Nimble competitions are similar in concept like the Country Cup. Here's a visualization we made for the Novices:
No, you're misunderstanding what Lanbonden is trying to say. What you and Infra pointed out is all clear.
The problem is that HW points change when people submit scores so that they will jump around during the competition. So score submitted in the middle of the competition will probably not have the same HW points as in the end. So how will you manage this since scores that maybe worse in a family compared to a familymember when submitted and therefor not counted. But in the end of the competition things might have changed so that particular score is actually the best in that family. Will that score then count again, or will that first score that was better at the beginning stand?
I believe that's the implied and intended result
Just keep in mind , that best things in life ... are the simple things.
Tasos
This is a good point, does the engine recheck each submission when the standings are updated or does it do it only once at time of submission to see which is first place?
The amount of point 'drift' will probably be minimal unless its a first place score that moves to second but it does mean that you will have to check and resubmit scores at the end of the contest if the standings are not automatically recalculated based on every submission during the competition.
Well, it feels a bit...random? it doesn't make sense to have it this complicated, it just confuses people and no one wants to lose on technicalities. It's enough drama on Hwbot as it is
It like having a hundred metre race and "yes, you came first, but remember that guy, he did a really good start, and that guy there actually had the top speed, and that guy there ran with wierd shoes. We have to have this jury decide who won"
KISS ftw
No way! Rush, ftw!
Go Canada! Woooooohoooooo!
Older generation ES allowed or no ES at all?
From the competition site.
Limitations
a videocard manufactured by Nvidia
Use 1 videocard core(s) in total.
A verification screenshot is required.
Please attach a picture of your overclocking rig.
Retail hardware only, engineering samples not allowed. Hardware must be launched before the start of the competition.
Will we have a mandatory wallpaper or not ?
Didn't find mention of that in comp' rules.
Expect it to come when the competition begins to avoid people starting the benching early. Thats my guess atleast.
What about wallpaper? Will it be required? No official answer yet
There will surely be wallpaper
Does every other comp on hwbot require a wallpaper (excluding challengers) that is only released once it has started because that's your answer
I've got a big question, is partial hardware sharing allowed?
What do I mean (as an example – Nvidia stage):
We arrange meeting of ukrainian overclockers, bringing together the strongest hardware. Each comrade will submit a result with his own graphics card, but using a same rig (Haswell-E, Skylake).
On the one hand, full-out OC for Country Cup, the other is too big advantage above those countries, which have no possibility to organize such meeting. I’d like to know the opinion of administration & community on this issue. Thanks for attention!
Yeah that's allowed as it's the point scoring hardware that matters not everything else
Sounds like we need a USA OC event...
is there any official competition backgound to be used?
wallpaper???????
Found dead in the background?
ar all ES sampels not alowed or can we use old gen ES cpu's?
ps to belgium, the d5400xs no boot for the moment
ES not normally allowed in comps
Hey pho5' Mass already ruled on that one and hey if it could be bought from somewhere we would.
On a separate note and I'm not sure if this will be possible at such a late stage, but it would be good that when looking at a stages page i.e. Geekbench is to see what RAM it has been subbed on. This would make things so much quicker and simpler to look at without having to look at every single SS (hope that makes sense). Also once the comp starts in earnest it will be next to impossible to work out what score you need to aim at.
stage 1 nvidia hardware points, instead of hw points it's showing 3dmark score as the points. needs fixing.
I take it that no wallpaper is needed?? Old scores allowed? Only asking because without a wallpaper needed or supplied the issue will come up and old scores are not specifically disallowed in the rules.
http://hwbot.org/submission/3021656
I look forward to wallpaper
All score have points of #1 round score, round ranking isnt working
Honestly, comp has started and no background?
So is this going to have a background or am I posting old scores
I would better not waste any LN2 or such on scores that might get deleted anyhow...
hold your horses all it will come
Confidence level plummeting.
With a brief delay, here is the official wallpaper:
What about already submitted scores?
They are not valid since they don't have the official background.
Something is not right here
And a head start... was actually a false start...
Hey, so can we do this again?
didnt think 52.5 hardware points were possible!!!! http://hwbot.org/submission/3021655
apologies Ukraine!
Think we removed most scores lacking the brand new background... good luck everybody!
if this http://hwbot.org/submission/3021673 is not ok, plz link the new http://hwbot.org/submission/3022774 to the competition.
edit: agen a new score, almost the same as the old wone.i have delitet the old wone.
Good to see the points have been fixed up. Whether you can do this on the "new site" or the if the "old one" needs to be back, but when you go to each stage it would great to be able to see all the subs from each country on the front page of each stage. That way you don't have to click through a heap of different things to work out what needs to be benched.
Then there's also the fact you can tell who has subbed what in each category. Example being the Geekbench stage and what DDR is being used. This will hamper people and scores could get blocked/not used due to doubling up. Same goes for the Nvidia stage.
That's where the old site would help IIRC.
Looking good Frederik!
@skkmercer: I don't think even the old site would show the type of memory for Geekbench explicitly in a list. This overview will give you the list of scores that are being taken into account, but you will still have to check the score to see which memory was used.
For the second part of your request: would a simple "all scores from Australia in this stage"-table suffice?
Is it super difficult to just setup the old system?
It's a bit of work, yes. Also, we prefer to improve the new interface than always going back to the old one.
Can you host it on a different link and just say "use this link for 'classic interface'"?
Hi Massman,
Firstly RE the old site i can undferstand that it might not seperate the different RAM types in some way and if not that should be in the OC eSports page then, also same goes for the 3D 06 stage so you can tell which "Family" of card was used.
As for the 2nd part that would certainly help to an extant because at it stands looking at the page it seems there's only 1 sub for Aus (just using Australia as an example) yet it shows an average of only 1013.8, when the only visble score is 5069.
I do believe it will be very hard for those countrys that don't really have the ability to organise either through forums or a meet up to plan what they need to post and not block each others scores with out seeing the specifics.
Now for this 2nd SS why can't you show the RAM type here. I would argue that's much more important than CPU type, speed or cooling for that matter.
The reason why it says 1013.8 is because that stage requires 5 scores, so the only score is divided by 5. If you click on an average with more than one score attached to it, you will see the list of scores. Also, the scores show as a list in the participation field on the overview page, so it should be fairly easy to identify which scores are part of the country average for each score.
The old site also didn't give much information on which scores were blocking others - that has always been a matter of communication between the participants.
As for your question why the relevant hardware information isn't shown: that's related to the way tables are generated on both HWBOT and OC-ESPORTS. In short, most tables display the hardware information "relevant" to the benchmark. So for a CPU benchmark it will show the CPU; for a memory benchmark it will show the MEM. Depending on the back-end structure, it may be possible to extend the table with the information relevant to the stage.
Bear in mind though that the Country Cup is designed to require communication between the overclockers participating in the country.
My bad on that one Massman as it didn't cross my mind to account for the "5" submissions needed for that stage. Thanks for clearing that up for me though.
Agree on the participation/communication between members of said country, I just thought there might be an easier (maybe better) way for those that don't have the opportunity to communicate like some can.
I understand what your saying here, but this particular stage at least is based on what "MEMORY" type is used even though it's a "CPU" benchmark. Just something I believe is important for this stage and which richba5tard addresses below.
Hey richba5tard, that's great and thank you very much for implementing this, although it doesn't address the issue if someone hasn't filled it out or it's not recognised, example being Skulstations score, which CPUz picks up as FB-DDR2. So is that a DDR 2 score or something else?
One last request (for now), in the shot below can you show the HW table like above. Again it will save having to open the actual sub.
Thanks for the efforts guys.
Edit - Didn't the old site/version allow you to see or seperate the scores though so if for example you want to sub DDR3 score for Geekbench you could see the scores of just the DDR3 submissions?
Thanks again for the explanation mate. But why is then that some will show it and in other cases it won't. There's a 5960X sub which doesn't show DDR4 or any memory type for that matter. Then when you go the submission on the HWbot site you see that DDR has been filled out (hope that makes sense).
Hi again. Hopefully this gets across what I mean, I also understand your last statement in possibly slowing things down but then in a way that's also when we need it most as it will get extremely hard to sifted through all the scores.
Also for the SS you posted above how do we clarify what ram type it is?
So here's the OC eSports shot
Then just the RAM section on the actual submission stage.
Here it shows the DDR (Skylake)
and what looks the same on the submission stage.
On a side note under "latest submissions" instead of showing team, wouldn't it be better to show country, seeing it this country cup.
Edit - I also want to make clear I only chose the subs to show the example and not to "report them".
FB-DDR2 = FB-DIMM for those wondering.
Thanks again mate for the efforts you have put in.
As for the FB-DIMM/Skullstation it wasn't my intention to bring them up in any bad way as I was just trying to understand why it wasn't showing in the shots that rich' showed. Also I was asking about due to CpUz showing the DDR2 in it and TBH I no nothing of FB-DIMM, so thanks for letting me know.
Just want to check clarify some rules with Geekbench. If you don't submit online via your benching rig to validate/show the score you need to have/save the file and show the validation URL in your submission?
Just need a clarification about the rules. The engine is apparently allowing multiple submissions for a country (US for example) and counting submissions inside the same series (just using the US as an example, both GTX 260 and GT 220 are counting towards the total. Am I interpreting the rules incorrectly or is it an error in the competition that allows it?
The Rules:"Use 10 different single GPU Nvidia graphics cards, each from a different family". If I own 10 different single GPU Nvidia graphics cards then I can make 10 subs for pts, if I can beat my old scores
nope one score per person will be added to the Country's score.... So time to activate the other OCers in your country
or your other accounts
Fine, Ln2 time
On all my GPU's 
Dibs on techjesse3!
LOOOL :banana::banana::banana::nana:
Believe me, I wish this was the case. Unfortunately there is this rule:
GENERAL RULES
One overclocker can only contribute one score per stage
Get in chat
I'm sure no one has these.
I bet the Canadians do...
Maybe......but I bet they're not the only one's.
Very odd. Definitely an error. Looking into it ...
Seems like this doesn't work as intended right now, looking at Stage 1.
Currently the ranking is:
1st Ukraine 3 Gens 62HWpts
2nd Italy 2 Gens 56HWpts
3rd Netherlands 2 Gens 21HWPts
4th Argentina 1 Gen 16.7HWpts
5th India 1 Gen 11.7 HWpts
6th Germany 3 Cardgens 11.6HWpts
Looking at what you sad above it should be like this, right?
1st Ukraine 3 Gens 62HWpts
2nd Germany 3 Gens 11.6HWpts
3rd Italy 2 Gens 56HWpts
4th Netherlands 2 Gens 21HWPts
5th Argentina 1 Gen 16.7HWpts
6th India 1 Gen 11.7 HWpts
EDIT:
Nvm, i think i got you wrong. All stages *except* Stage 1 (HWPoints) and last Stage (GPUPI) are ranked by number of submissions first and then scores. While Stage 1 and 5 are ranked by total score only. Right?
Why are all of Singapore's stage 1 scores by rayhow
Are stage 1 pts based on accumalative HW pts or average Accross the 10 subs?
Small proposal, when we rules out ES hardware, spd for screens is needed, and with new gen hardware, it would be nice if clarification is made on some mainboards. Impact was retail at start and in stock at lots of countries for example, but soon new boards might be released or people have doubts, so this might be helpful
what about a gpu thas is reliset in 18 feb 2014 and is on 5 nov 2015 releasd in a new card,whil it ok to be use if we have acces to the card?
Can we get the background linked to in the OP as well as in the competition description? I had to google it to find it and then wade through a variety of results.
Editing thread instead of double posting (edited Nov 7 16:13 -07:00 GMT):
I'm getting this weird error when trying to submit an improved score on the OC E-Sports website. I'm logged in, and when you hover over the "open for submissions" section it changes to saying "Invite Only"
can anyone tell me why my score is not getting counted in my countries total?
http://oc-esports.io/#!/round/country_cup_2015/2521/5s-30p_|_xtu_1_-%3E_8c
submission : http://hwbot.org/submission/3027989
I agree with websmile on the SPD bit .. i think this should be a necessary thing guys
anybody?
http://oc-esports.io/#!/round/country_cup_2015/submissions
- filter for the XTU stage and results from India.
It's possible either Toolius or KSA has already uploaded a result to the 6xCPU category that is better than the score you have. Alternatively, have you uploaded a score with a different CPU that is higher than the one with the Core i7 5820K ?
nope...i see two submissions by KSA(which is against the rules) and one by toolius..the 5820k has one score...but its not being added to the country total.
I will resubmit if its not tallied by tonight.
i did a resubmit..
the engine is seriously broken..
is it really hard for you to NOT OC the servers
Can the code on the pages for "Latest Submissions" be updated to remove a submitters TEAM and replace with COUNTRY?
Whilst we're at it, has it been suggested to have a HWBOT comp page for 2015 as well? Like last year etc. http://hwbot.org/competition/country_cup_2014
Ive given up asking. Apparently its "too much work".
Ill just have to guess where scores are.
What I mean is, please bring back the old comp page.
I don't mind submitting via the OC page and haven't had a problem with that.
But to navigate the scores for your country and others with the OC Sports site is considerably less intuitive compared the 2013/14 pages.
Please check XTU Stage 4 for Germany!
4-Core: 6700K (Nik) 1797 Punkte
4-Core: 4790K (Digg) 1297 Punkte
6-Core: 5820X (minicooper) 1840 Punkte
8-Core: 5690X (aerotracks) 2402 Punkte
Current result is (1797 + 1297 + 2402)/5 = 1099,2 points.
But it should be (1797 + 1840 + 2402)/5 = 1207,8 points.
Engine takes both 4-Core results into account and ignores the 6-Core result!
Fixed
For the Geekbench stage you need 5 different types of memory. Topdog already submitted using DDR4 and his score is higher than yours.
That is why your score is not taken into account for the country average.
Fixed
There's no "need to guess".
On the stage page, click on the stage points next to your country to see which scores count for the country average. Scroll below and apply country filter to see all the results submitted in that particular stage. The rest of the work comes down to planning and communication.
I am happy you liked our previous design and I hope you'll get used to the new interface and like it too
Check the engine too PJ plz.
In Stage 1 Ukraine has two submission ranked done by the same OCer FOX_UA
( http://hwbot.org/submission/3023885 & http://hwbot.org/submission/3025394 )
Also Singapore with Rayhow who's got 8 subs in there across different cards.
This wasn't working for me and at first I couldn't work out why. I have always gone to the OC eSports page from the main HWbot page by clicking the specific comp I wanted to look at, that would then take me to the page in question. This is what I've been doing for the CC but not realizing it wasn't keeping me logged in (I thought it used to do that). Now logged in I can do the sorting so thanks for that.
Is it possible though to add in each stage like where the Country/Team etc. is to select/filter for specific things like 8/6/4/2/1 cores for the XTU stage, although that might be hard for the 1st and 2nd page. That I think would also clear things up and make things easier to see what you need to aim for.
Is there a forum/thread anywhere for Team USA? Have a bunch of hardware and going to pick up some ln2 next week so hope to contribute something.
any news on this?
Add me on Skype. That's where we're doing most of our planning.
tnalley27
I'll get you added to the USA group.
done
Thanks man!
Flags are close enough. Thank you kind sir.
Is stage 1 being looked at yet for all the multiple subs being made...
Yes, working on it. Turns out to be more complicated than anticipated.
this geekbench single core score 5642 with i7 4790k, ddr3 ram from PRATHAMESH PATIL is not added to the india's total.
http://hwbot.org/submission/3030409_prathamesh_patil_geekbench3___single_core_core_i7_4790k_5642_points
Nvm.... Thought it was the XTU stage....
^^
He is correct. My submission is not added to India's total.
My Geekbench sub isn't included in team USA total for some reason?
http://hwbot.org/submission/3028788
Metal try filling out the memory details-(DDR4)
Thanks Q_F that did the trick.
thanks quickfast. after filling memory details in geekbench score, it got added to our country's total.
http://hwbot.org/submission/3030409_prathamesh_patil_geekbench3___single_core_core_i7_4790k_5642_points
Ah, yes, thanks for this. Of course it's necessary to indicate the type of memory before it's included in the "different types of memory". :celebration:
the damn competition background is hard to find lol
Link to it here!
Massman I know you said FM2 and FM2+ are different sockets. But is that determined by the actual physical board the competitor is using, or by the socket that the APU was originally designed and released for? Put another way, can I run Trinity/Richland in an FM2+ motherboard and have it count as an FM2 sub, or will it be an FM2+ sub because of the physical socket being used?
I suspect that it will be determined by chip and not by motherboard, based on the socket that is specified for each chip in the database.
Traditionally its been determined by the chip, not the motherboard being used.
Everyone, the Stage 1 results should now be correct. It was a tough nut to crack but everything should be fine now :celebration:
That is correct - it is determined by the socket of the processor.
What happens to the feature to remove a submission from a contest by clicking a button in the upper right corner of the score page?
Now we have to delete a score completely and submit again without linking to the contest...
Is there a reason why this feature was removed?
results score shows as "x.xx points" instead of xxxxx score
http://hwbot.org/submission/3034156_
They probably had to do that to get the competition to rank correctly. We might just have to put up with it for the duration of the competition.
It was removed a while ago because sometimes people remove submissions from competitions after the competition closed for "strategical" purposes.
I'm not sure if this has been mentioned yet, but with stage 1 if you have submitted a score with "x" GPU before and scored "X" points at that time and now run it again for this comp and score lower HW points it will not count. I can see some difficulty in it with HW points being doubled up so to speak on someone's overall ranking, but if you can't beat your previous score for what ever reason than that person/country could be at a big disadvantage.
Edit - Deleting said old score doesn't work either.
Is it not possible to enable this feature only when a comp is running? So when comp ends this feature will be disabled for all linked scores.
Especially during Country Cup its very strategic and its hard to contact a staff every time we want/need to remove a score. In the last hours of CC its gonna be hard to find the best combination of scores.
Or some minutes ago there was a bug in Stage 1 engine... so Strunkenbold removed a score for us to get Stage 1 in line again.
Removing a score form a competition, but keeping points for personal account would be really great. Now we have to delete score completely and upload it again
http://hwbot.org/submission/3038122_
I submitted this WITH SPD tab, to Show, I am not using AFR memories!
What about adding this to the rules?
Cause ES Hardware isn't allowed and AFR mems are easy to use. They have much better Subs and with those, U can kill every XTU score!
@Massman, XTU did not come up as an option for CC when I submitted this run:
http://hwbot.org/submission/3041796_
This is all that came up:
I have the same issue.
Is this normal ?
The reason why this happens is because the verification screenshot is attached as system picture. For the competition, we have an automatic check that looks if a verification screenshot is attached to the submission.
For XTU it's a bit of a pickle because the submission process is typically via the XTU software, which doesn't give the option to add a verification screenshot. For competitions, a manual submission is better because the form gives you the option to add a verification screenshot.
Let me fix the submission for ya, Bassplayer.
(left: submission form; right: your submission xxbassplayerxx)
Thanks!!!
Stage 3 - Geekbench - URL required or not?
In HWBot general rules its mandantory, but in stage rules only screenshot is needed...
From the comments for the rules:
"GENIEBEN SAYS:
Well I can see why it's confusing. If you use the paid version that displays the score inside the app, then there is no need for a verification link. But if it's the freeware version that sends the score online, we'd have to see it's not a user generated html page with bogus scores."
In Stage 4 XTU the Wallpaper Rule is missing!
It is an official competition with a needed background, otherwise you can reuse old scores as backup. It should have the background visible and needed CPU-Z tabs open in the screenshot...
Yes, I know why there is a need for a Competition Background!
But in Stage 4 there is no rule to use this wallpaper... also there is no general rule to use the official Wallpaper in all stages.
We just have the case in Germany, that one bencher (new to hwbot and not very experienced) didn't used the competition background because he checked the general competition rules, the general XTU rules and stage 4 rules (this is by far more than other new people check!) and didn't found any hint for the wallpaper rule. So he uploaded his score... Now we have to say that his score is not valid and he is not really amused. For us it's really clear that any new comp will have a new wallpaper, but for new benchers its not really clear
I just wanted to clarify, that XTU rules are not OK at the moment
Gubben's score does not show up in the rankings for Sweden. Score here: http://hwbot.org/submission/3048115_gubben_xtu_core_i3_6320_736_marks
Hi.
Ranking broken on Stage 1 :
We had this score on GTX 670 with 5.2 HWP (http://hwbot.org/submission/3047110)
Zwitterion just submit a better one, in HWP and "real score" (http://hwbot.org/submission/3048944), but kind of blocked by Reyser's one.
Can this be fixed please ? (bring back "remove from comp" button would be sooooooooo great)
I cant get my screenshot as verification screenshot. Tried to edit after first (automatic submission) but still no go..
My submission: http://hwbot.org/submission/3050727_
for xtu
do only the first 5 submissions count or the top 5 for your country?
Best submission single core
Best submission dual core
Best submission quad core
Best submission hexa core
Best submission octa core
Counts..
These geekbench scores dont show-up in the Rankings for Greece.
http://hwbot.org/submission/3057059_
http://hwbot.org/submission/3057069_aetolofitis_geekbench3___single_core_core_i7_4790k_5069_points
Unable to submit for CC GB3 Single core, tried oc e sports and hwbot. Keep getting error , no TORQUE left or similar
Trying to address the issues raised here - small issue with the database it seems
Still not fixed yet mate?
admin !!!!!!!!!!!!!! what the hell is going on ;; i cant upload my score !!!!!!
just hold on...
This score was blocking Gubben's score: http://hwbot.org/submission/3029432_rauf_xtu_core_i3_6320_740_marks
Fixed! Sorry for the delay. :celebration:
It's fixed
Can I get clarification on dual core gpu for 06? Rules state "core/(s)" implying plural ok. Specifically asking for 295....
If if not, why?
it states ONE video core(s), probably a bad copy paste from previous competitions... Otherwise it would have stated one videocard
Only single GPU graphics cards are allowed.
No particular reason why ... it's just the competition rule
Haha, fair enough!
If you're trying to submit an xtu result through the hwbot page (and not through ocsports) you dont have the option tab for a verification photo (you cant participate in CC 2015).
I am almost certain it's been reported in earlier competitions too.
Hi ^^
Cool-T submitted a 3DM06 result, but as it's not his best, it shows "no points" and is not added in our ranking :
http://hwbot.org/submission/3062030_
Can it be solved or does he have to beat his best score ?
(Yeah i know, 0.1 HWP, but it's purely for the psychological goal to have scores as most as possible)
Samsung B-DIE YES or NO?
Ranking for stage 4 is not correct it seems. Rules says ranking is based on average, but it is actually based on number of scores, then average. I know some competitions are meant to be this way but that is not logical for this stage. Average across five submissions, no score=0 points for that submission. It really hurts the teams which have no 1 core CPU...
I know where you're getting at but it is logical the way it is. Otherwise you could have a team like Australia just have the 8 core WR XTU score and no others, their average would be unbeatable then and a team with all 5 scores would naturally have a lower average.
following that - AFR yes or no?
IMHO you couldn't have retail AFR before December
No, 3200~/5 is not better than 2800+2200 etc/5...Always divide by maximum number of scores and there will be no problem.
Just a quick message: Christian, Xyala and myself are all on the road at the moment so it might take a bit longer to respond to questions and moderation issues.
Good luck everyone!
But that's exactly the idea of penalty for not running all required core counts - divide by 5 and done.
Yes, but if you favor number of submissions instead of average score, then your team could be dragged behind even if your average score is higher than the av score of a team with full set of submissions.
For example in Stage 3 Italy with a higher average score is behind Belgium which in turn has the full set of subs, but lower average score.
IMO, it should be the other way around. You can't win with a single WR score anyway, because average will be very low with 4 zeros.
Or in XTU stage Sweden should be ranked 5th, not 9th in my opinion.
However it had always been like that in CountryCups, taking away even the slightest chance for smaller countries which can't get the full set of scores. Which is wrong to me.
yes, it's hard as it is to get people to compete in country cup, less making it more difficult and complicated.
Another thing, can you PLEASE stop it with different end dates for stages.
Different end dates kills the comp... Why is it ended so early before the end of the month? Benching over the holidays is completely ruled out...
Country cup, the comp you hate to love.
MassmanDealWithIt.gif
Like you I wish the end dates would be the same, very annoying.
I think its actually easier to get people to compete with it set up the way it is.
If its just an average then you will have teams that can just skip something like 1 core XTU because they have such high WR 8 core scores, if your WR 8 core is high enough maybe even skip a 2core XTU and still be competitive. Half the idea is to promote and gather your country mates and get it done. Those guys that don't have the 8 core hardware can actually contribute, and in fact, you need them, that fancy 8 core WR will get beat by a country that organizes 5 air scores across all the cores. How much motivation is there to find someone to get a 1 core score if you can just use a bigger 8 core?
I always assumed it was a competition to determine the best country of overclockers, not which country has a couple of WR benchers. If that is the competition that is wanted, believe me, take out the requirement that you can only submit once a stage, that would have helped us a ton....
But it's always been about getting hardware for every stage and sub Stage (1/2/4/6/8core cpu etc) in order to ensure the best score possible. As for teams not having a 1 core cpu.... I didn't have one either, I paid up the aud$80 for one, to never be used again. Others could have done the same, plenty were on ebay for the whole competition.
If you do the math, then you will see you really need high-sky 8-cores WR. To compensate 80-100 points for the missing single core sub you will have to add that to your other scores.
If they are not high enough you will still loose. How high should be your 8-cores WR?
It should be a lot higher than what Aussies have at the moment assuming their other scores are mediocre. And if all 4 scores are equally high (in their respective category), then they can win either way. Ruling out the 1-core submission does not change much. It only gives chances to smaller countries that can't find anyone using single core cpu to bench for them.
You can't skip the 2xXTU, just no way to compensate 700 points more.
Well, if you don't submit with 6 or 4 cores, then you're not gonna win, because you have to compensate 2000-3000 points which is impossible.
I still think the competition will be balanced enough. You will still need full set of scores to secure your first position. It can't happen with just one WR and mediocre 3 other scores.
But of course, this is just my point of view.
Comon 5 scores should be doable for most countries, even a nitwit country as Belgium can do it. Too bad our Celeron CPU has still not arrived, this after ordering it about 3 weeks ago lol so we get beaten by lesser scores, but they have a full set. That's the way it is and the only way to keep it more balanced in my book.
Now Stage 1 will be impossible for us to complete as we can get max 6-7 scores in as our french speaking OCers have close to no interest in chiming in...
It is all about having fun, people tend to take it too serious... this is the cheapest CC so far for Belgium lol. We had most of the gear besides the Celeron CPU and only used 65L of LN2
Dont think your the only one buying that useless CPU just for the competition, ohh how I wish the 1 core that we in Sweden bought actualy worked
Yes, but in our case we don't even have half the participants required.
Noone is interested and you can see the activity throughout the year.
Not only population, but also GDP plays a big role in this.
But that's the rules of the game and it is the same in every sport.
I'm not completely against the current way of doing it. Nothing is just black or white.
We also had plans to compete in all stages, but it didn't work as expected. It's a pity, because this year it wasn't so difficult to participate.
Yes, buying boring, useless hardware that doesn't even add significantly to the team average is a good idea for a competition...
But if hwbot wants it this way, then thats fine. But state it in the rules! Is it the same case for stage 1? Nine 49.9p subs gets beaten by ten 0.1p subs? Come on...
Save us the money for hardware and ln2 next time and let us know about the rules in advance so we can know if there is a point in competing or not.
I don't mean it is boring to bench cheap and useless hardware. That was not my point.
I mostly bench this type of 'junk' myself anyway,
but really agree with that last point about 10x0.1pt beat 9 top scores.
It doesn't work that way in the first stage, its simply an accumulation of points, only in Stage 2, 3, and 4 force you to gather subs in each of the categories. There are always going to be things that are unfair to one set of overclockers or another. Hell for that matter, this Country Cup was entirely to modern for me. I have no interest in competing against binned 6.4Ghz Skylake processors but those are the rules so all I could do was bear down and get the best done we can. Canada came in 22nd last year, all I was hoping that through organization and stupid amounts of harrassment to other Canadians overclockers we might crack top 10.
Yes, the first stage is why I actually thought that the other stages would be a true average based ranking as well. It also says so in the rules... Only people who have been here a long time can suspect that it is first number of submissions and then average.
This is the only major problem with hwbot in my opinion. The competitions are always unclear to say the least when it comes to rules. The rules are updated, changed, new rules are added. It is hard to find the new rules because they are buried somewhere deep down in a thread with 100 replies. Rankings are not working correctly in the beginning etc.
So maybe its better not to bench geekbench and IGP stage with B-DIE... just to be safe...
B-DIE based kits were listed from Nov 12th in Germany but were not available, no idea if availability was better in other countries before Nov 1st
if anyone is around can someone please check to see why this isn't added to USA total, thanks.
http://hwbot.org/submission/3064018_strong_island_3dmark06_geforce_8800_gts_512_mb_49.8_hardware_points
Majority of mod staff appears to be busy with HOT.
Try resubmitting from the OC E-sports page.
should I delete it first or just re-submit
Delete & resubmit.
All good, USA in fourth place. Nice benching guys!
Team USA
Both scores should be moved to proper categories.
HD-4600
http://hwbot.org/submission/3062007_metalracer_3dmark___fire_strike_intel_hd_graphics_1139_marks/
HD-530
http://hwbot.org/submission/3061789_jpmboy_3dmark___fire_strike_intel_hd_graphics_1365_marks/
Now they are both at HD Graphics category.
Edited the USA scores
Can one of the mods look into why this sub didn't overtake our DDR3 score? Sticky previous one?
http://hwbot.org/submission/3064542
Same as above - for Geekbench for Poland Nifir has 5494 points with http://hwbot.org/submission/3064263_ but in competition still 4338 is valid for DDR3.
Both of you need to enter the Memory type (DDR, DDR2, DDR3...).
Thanks, it helped
congrats to australia for wining the cup... again
but it´s a pity that there is no exciting fight for final stage on 20th
You know the best teams in the world never give up - even when they are down. There is always more to play for.....this is what makes great teams
I just saw cc is more or less over, missed it completely this year - some great results, grats to the winners
@bob\(nz\): on cc16 we´ll meet again
and i hope there will be more stages for me 
I think when you take in to consideration the sandbag Stage 1 results that Australia is holding, it is over. I can't believe that they trusted the engine enough to submit their Stage 2 and 3 results in the last hour. Now that is brave.
Can't wait for next year! Love these comps!
As long as I am still breathing - I will be in - and we will meet again - hahah
See you guys always assume we are sandbagging - that's the problem. There were plenty of us still benching with 30 mins to go - it aint over till its over.....
30 minutes!!! I stopped Broadwell at 5 minutes when I knew there wasn't enough time. I was trying to get 1900 so bad.
haha - I didn't want to let on we were that out of control!! haha
I actually missed my last sub dammit
Oh, confused by the screenshots and the meetup pics that were attached to some of the scores, unless those pics are from last night? Great work though guys, pretty incredible scores. 4-peat next year?
that's just an excuse to get together and drink beer for 7 days! There was plenty of work before and after that event, and also around the country not just Adelaide....
7 days?
we need such an excuse, too!
:celebration:
Really nice team work and community you have there aussies
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I really can't remember the first 24hrs. I remember something about a Vodka Bar and that's about it.
is it to late to change to team australia?
Actually 9 days but first 24 hours was nothing but drinking
it´s a good way to start a bench-session :celebration:
I didn't trust it! I was raging in our chat!
Country cup is by far the finest comp each year. We get a great set of difficult tests, pull guys out of retirement, hassle noobs, usually get some guys to dip their toes into XOC. Plus these meets are amazing fun.
No matter how the last stage goes or where it all lands, thanks to our fellow competitors for giving us some competition!
I can tell you I didn't trust it at all. Got in early to be sure. Had so much trouble loggin in the past couple of days so I didn't want it to fail.
Haha, this is reading like "thx that someone atleast _tried_ to beat our dominance, but now lets be honest, you had no chance n00bs"
And really, my feeling is that this is happening the last years. Ofcourse that is not your problem, you are delivering excellent scores while other countrys try to compete with air cooled rigs.
Congratz from my side, in my next live Im getting an aussi for sure.
Germany and Canada put up a pretty darn good fight!
But looks like Australia is like 150% motivated to get the title. I can only imagine how hard Germany will go next year
They let me in - there is always hope!!
And don't forget that GPUPI from Bulgaria!!
Our Celeron CPU just arrived
Quick, bench it like you stole it and then hax0r the database to get your score in.
Enjoy the 20min+ XTU runs. They're great for in between gaming, or drinking.
HELL YEH LETS DO THIS.
@xxbassplayerxx did the whole signature bet thing. Of course we had to give them a good wallop!
And next year, I suspect we're going to have at least a few more Canucks with dewars!
Germans and Canadians showed up, expecting 2016 to be huge by these guys!
I did my best to organise you!
Team SniperOZero next year!
We're heavily sandbagging this year, can't even lift the bags now, so heavy...
Will leave it for next year, lol.
hey, bulgaria is the only non-australian team who won a stage
i´m curious who will win stage #1
Can a mod look into a submission issue for stage 1 for Canada?
http://oc-esports.io/#!/round/country_cup_2015/2518/10s-50p_%7C_3dmark06_nvidia_hwpts
This submission using a gtx 560 ti with 0.8 HW points
http://hwbot.org/submission/3066531
Removed our gtx 580 submission with 22.9 HW points.
http://hwbot.org/submission/3062647_johan45_3dmark06_geforce_gtx_580_22.9_hardware_points
Thanks,
Marc
EDIT: Score seems to have fixed itself, Thanks
my 8800 score here http://hwbot.org/submission/3067921_ @ 24.4 points should beat
Gazza http://hwbot.org/submission/3067887 here at 20.8 points.
Also, for some reason dropdown doesnt let me enter board used, its a Z97X-SOC Force (regular flavour, not LN2 model)
My score here http://hwbot.org/submission/3068213. Should knock out this score here http://hwbot.org/submission/3045923.
This needs to be addressed ASAP.
Here some people would think this stuff would be tested before a competition is started. Oh right I forgot, HWBOT.
Gratulation Australia for the win
Aussie domination and the typical nagging at full blast lol...
Don't worry I just subbed a terrible 580 score to knock Dino's score out.
Wow, Australia have realy done it again now in stage1 aswell!
Now we just need our last night bencher to wake up so we can see if we manage to beat those canucks
Grats Australia! Worthy winners
congrats to all
Well done Aussies and Germany, nice fight!!! Congratz too all participants and HWbot for hosting this!!
thx to all Madshrimps members and Tones to put Belgium again on the map... Merry Xxx-mass and a New Year all
Congrats all
Congrats all
Next time hardware sharing should be banned .
Not to sound like a sore loser but it looks to me like a few of those subs came from the same HW. The pics are nearly identical.
I didn't think we were supposed to share HW/ subs on that kind of scale
Exactly what you sound like
We follow hw-sharing rules. Isn't the whole idea of country cup to help each other out?
Well it looks to me like someone had a sleep over last night. Hell even the screen shots were done on the same OS it's so obvious.
Not to mention that it was alot of fun to actually meet some of the guys, hope we can do something bigger like team Australia next year
HWBot for hardware sharing are a little bit different than what you think they are .
E – HARDWARE SHARING
This in a delicate subject as we have to trust on the honesty of those participating at the HWbot that they are indeed using their own hardware and not sharing a golden sample CPU or VGA card. Let’s start with what is allowed to be shared: everything except:
VGA may not be shared for VGA benchmarks.
CPU may not be shared for CPU benchmarks.
Special cases, like what to do with joint bench sessions and manufacturer hardware is explained in the picture below.
http://blog.hwbot.org/wp-content/3952208.jpg
While the rules are quite simple and straightforward, enforcing them isn’t. If you are having a joint benchmark session, provide as much proof and information as possible when you submit a new HWBot score, which shows you were using your own hardware for the benchmark in question, a photo with a paper showing your nickname and the product serial number is good way to do this.
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I can understand helping someone out like lending the GFX card but those are all on the same system the only difference is the card. That's way too much IMO
That's totally allowed.
While the rules are quite simple and straightforward, enforcing them isn’t. If you are having a joint benchmark session, provide as much proof and information as possible when you submit a new HWBot score, which shows you were using your own hardware for the benchmark in question, a photo with a paper showing your nickname and the product serial number is good way to do this.
I agree, but it's not a requirement.
so
if is not a requirement . i think it means we should follow the general rules right ?
Congrats to all teams !!!
It was a nice cup.
Many thanks to hwbot for this.
Thumbs up , to the winning team.
Three in a row (that's a three-peat) ?
Makes it pretty hard to tell if it was actually three different people or just one person sharing results.
So I could just go get my neighbour as long as he has his own card he can plop it into my system and run the benchmark, submit it and it's legal?
General rules for CC were followed.
Example:
MR.X
MR.Y
MR.Z
in a joint session, all used MR.X's platform but used their own GPU's. Each subbed with only their own GPU. Totally legal.
Yes.
This is where 'trust factor' comes into play. It's not a perfect scenario and been brought up many times before.
Report the subs then. Let the mods sort it out. Don't do the lynch mob thing here. This is a public forum.
It only makes you look bad.
I see what we have to do next year then.
Yes. The same thing that every other team is and has been doing.
FWIW, I have no dog in this race. I'm just trying to help a few friends save some face is all.
Thanks Scotty for the clarification on the "rules"
This is 06 not fire strike where the cpu don't matter
So basically, instead of trying to push for HWBot to actually enforce their own rules (and re-write them to be a lot clearer about things), you're just outright saying since at least a few teams are doing it here and there, everyone else should. Yup, instead of going the honourable route you're instead implying everyone should just cheat because a few people you know are being called out for bending the rules a great deal....
I don't write the rules.
Also, if you do some searching, you'll find that I've been pretty vocal about the rules many many times before.
If you want to blame me, knock yourself out. I'm not the problem. I only offer a solution.
Do what everybody else does.
BTW, the few people I know, aren't being called out. They're doing the calling. Sometimes it's good to know who your friends are before you open your trap.
Thanks Mr Scott, afraid you are probably right. It would be impossible to prove there was 4 people actually at the helm of the shared hardware which is what makes it suspicious. Lanbonden and Rauf both seem active and reputable members of the community and you have to respect that they wouldn't tarnish both their own personal honor and worldwide reputation with cheating. So, personally I offer them congratulations on the 3rd place finish.
As for the rules, I think it needs to be nailed down solidly as to what is legal. If the swedish scores stand for this competition then we can say that it is legal and allowed. For next year it will be way easier to bin one set of WR hardware instead of having everyone use what they have and we will be better prepared. Of course, it burns when you aren't playing on level field because assumptions made about the rules. So I will look forward to the clarification from the moderation staff
Glad you and Shawn understand where I'm coming from. Right now all your Canadian brothers are hating me hard.
It was an awesome competition and thanks for hwbot to hosting this wonderful event!
This was a great excuse to learn new benches and meet many awesome overclockers in my own country that i had never met before.
Last year we were in #22 position and we got to #4 this year which to me is a huge achievement by itself.
Looking foward to next year's competition
Cheers and Happy Holidays to all!
Marc
To be honest i dont think Hwbots intention with these teamcup/countrycup comps evry year its not to have people bashing eatch other about cheating.
I Think the reason of these comps to bring team members/ coutry members together as freinds and in the same time get them to learn of eatch other and have some fun. The countrys/teams in the top is the teams who done the team spirit the best.
Congrats to all for a god and fun Countrycup.
Canadians, I know you focus on us because we beat you on the finishline. But look at the aussies. They are very successful because they get together a whole group of people and share knowledge, hw (allowed), OS etc. What was mainly shared on our part was a 2600k system clocked at 5ghz. WR hardware? If you can't beat an old 2600k on watercooling maybe you should look at what you could do better instead of accusing us of cheating.
We could have used my 6700k which runs 3d06 at up to 6250 (depending on OS) and that would be allowed. But lets save that for next year
Yeah, I think we said amongst ourselves going in that we thought we had a shot at Top 5 this year. So to get to #4 is absolutely huge.
Like how the silver-medal-winning hockey team feels after losing in the finals, there's some sting to missing Top 3 by such a slim margin at the last moment. But, when we look back at this we'll be nothing but thrilled with our result.
edit - And we'll get to look back on this all year long whenever we see the forum sigs of our American friends! And that deserves a w00t w00t!
I had to delete my initial response to some of the comments of the past few hours - wouldn't have been so constructive.
It's pretty disappointing reading some of the comments, for the people (person) that thinks we just all got together and benched one platform while just swapping video cards, you need to apply yourself and look a little harder - your comment is absolute rubbish.
I like the comments of Pulse88, marc0053 and Deadthings above - this is what the competition is supposed to be about.
Setting yourself a challenge to do better the last year, good planning, preparation and communication, and getting together with your mates, to have plenty of fun. Anything else and you are not doing it right!!!!!
Thanks to HWBOT and the sponsors for this years competition, it's been a blast, looking forward to 2016
Merry Xmas and a Happy New Year to all.....
Australian Open : Jeu Set and Match !
Congratulations to all countries for this another great edition of Country Cup !
Podium was our objective of this year, but a 7th place is not so bad in regards of the little means we managed to have this year
So Merry Christmas, Happy New Year, and c u next year !
Many thanks to Hwbot for the challenge each year.
Thanks to my team mates for bringing the goods.
Well done all and look forward to seeing you motivated and ready next year. We get together every year and this year had about 15 overclockers get together, have fun, drink beer, oc shytloads of hardware, burn 1K litres of ln2 and hope for the best. Our best was good enough to win and it feels great. Germany is going to come back swinging next year and it looks like Canada and Sweden are on the rise, good to see, just don't forget this is a hobby and most important thing is to have fun and enjoy it!
people are allowed to bench together though, matt may or may not have made that result if he benched alone
this is country cup, the whole idea is to get together as a team, share ideas, share knowledge and work together
at our event we continually had pros like sniper, bobnz and dino helping less experienced overclockers achieve results they never would have on their own at home
this is what country cup is all about and for me thats what makes it the best competition of each year
Sniperoz is a 20min drive away lol.
Great competition again this year! The moderation team will process the last-minute subs as soon as possible so we can make the announcements shortly
:celebration:
I haven't been able to read through the entire thread yet (arrived late yesterday night from long flight), but I wanted to take the time to highlight two things.
1) @Mr\.Scott is correct when saying that according to the HWBOT rules it is allowed to use one platform for 3D benching, swapping nothing but the graphics card.
2) I want to highlight Pulse88's post because he nails what the Team and Country Cup is about. I absolutely LOVE seeing overclockers from one team or country get together to share the passion for OC. I remember the team sessions we had when I was in Belgium and I can honestly say those were always the most fun (even if @Leeghoofd his girlfriend strongly disagreed).
It's great to see that in Sweden and Australia this is also happening and I can only hope to see this happen in even more countries. The only thing I can think of after reading the posts from the Canadians is wonder how strong they will be next year! Getting top-5 without a coordinated session is fantastic ... imagine what's possible when the team takes it to the next level :ws: :celebration:
//edit: also cleaned up a bit. I need to learn how this infraction thing works lol
Nice going to everyone involved
The meet was awesome and offered an awesome chance to learn for some of the best
No PMs from Dino today, sorry.
You can forward your cheating accusations to our Head of Moderation Christian Ney at christian@hwbot.org.
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No srsly keep it coming Bullant, were all having a laugh that your all sad Matt beat your effic in 32m
Thanks for the clarification, that is excellent. I don't have to like the rule, probably won't take advantage of it, and find it only one easy step to passing subs around to members of your team, but I will stop advising country mates and teammates to refrain from doing it.
Appreciate your quick response on this.
Thanks for the great competition!
My short article
Thank you organizer for all the hardwork. Cheers
great competition, thx to all
Country what?
Is this why the , totals in leaderboard are wrong ?
If you sum up the stages , the total is different than the one shown now.
AU (185) = 185
GER (145) = 145
SWE (117) = 117
CAN (112) = 116
BEL (99) = 99
USA (99) = 101
FR (98) = 98
UKR (97) = 91
ROM (91) = 85
GRE(89) = 93
Ow really ?
Merry X-masssssssssssssss and a Happy New Year!!! :nana:
This submussion was removed from Germany Stage 1 - 5xx series:
http://hwbot.org/submission/3068409_
Why?
Think moderators are looking at submissions. Stage 1 ranking is different today, ROM and UKR have lost HW points and gone down.
did we win?
Bucket of lollipops has been shipped Splave!!
Some XTU and IGP scores have incorrect or incomplete screenies... the moderation team is on it!
Plz link me to where it is mentioned that a mainboard tab was needed for the screenshots as we get many reports for missing mainboard tab
The rules for FS screenshot are the following:
3DMark benchmark settings
3DMark overall score
3DMark subtest scores
CPU-Z CPU tab
CPU-Z Memory tab
CPU-Z Mainboard tab, for submissions made with motherboard IGP (=/= CPU IGP)
GPU-Z Graphics Card tab (Rivatuner may be used if GPU-Z fails to correctly report the GPU) =/= GPU sensor tab
It says it in the rules you have copied and pasted.
CPU-Z Mainboard tab, for submissions made with motherboard IGP (=/= CPU IGP)
The Firestrike round was not for IGP on the motherboard but the ones from the CPU... slight difference there... hence why I added the " =/= CPU IGP"
I read it as iGPU too, could be wrong.
Think it's a typo in the rules myself, but hey, could mean old school integrated graphics too, but in all seriousness, what board has that these days? It's been a long time.
This is the input we need for adjusting the rules to make it more clearer, thx man. I'm sure its not a typo, but a misinterpretation by many...
Well if Zeropluszero is your son, and he's Australian, maybe you can get an AU passport and be Australian by technicality, and hence, yes, you won.
I would have never guessed that Motherboard IGPU is not the same as CPU IGPU. So if the rules need to be clearer, please make them so.
So they aren't integrated? Aren't they in the Integrated socket of the hardware listing? Isn't the stage called Firestrike IGP? What are they classified if not integrated?
Integrated is integrated. It was not specified as onboard or on die. Therefore IMO, ALL iGPU subs should have the stated proof in the screenies.
Aye! Wasn't Tony in Michigan?
Integrated is integrated insnt really true as a lot have happend over the years. On the older motherboards like socket 775 the iGPU was part of the motherboard and the reason to show the motherboard tab is obvious.
On a modern system (read a system that can run firestrike with the iGPU) the motherboard doesnt mater more then in a normal firestrike submission as the iGPU comes with the CPU and therefor depends on what CPU you use and not on the motherboard.
Yes, I see that I dont have the motherboard tab open in my submission and that is becouse I dont see it needed in the rules as the iGPU isnt integrated in the motherboard and I dont seem to be the only one. Check the winner from teamcup for example.
http://oc-esports.io/#!/round/team_cup_2015_sc2/2363/3dmark_vantage_kabini
What is more proof than cpu-z and gpu-z? Seems very clear to me.
Maybe HWBot should just make mainboard tab mandatory in all screenshot, regardless of benchmark, so this will not be up for misinterpretation.
Every comp end up in a discussion because of unclear rules!
If there is any piece of hardware that need more proof by the motherboard tab or sth else make it mandatory for every stage! No exceptions, no misinterpretation, no discussions...
I sense some grasping at straws here...
It is clear that the igp submissions without the MB-tab have all the proof they need in GPU-z. But I get that some wants those results gone based on a technicality. Thanks for leeghoofd for clarifying the rules.
The difference in your link was specified right here.
Again, I don't write the rules, but everybody should be following said same rules, not interpreting them as they see fit.
That line you mention from the rules, its part of the rules for country cup aswell so not sure where you want to come with that part?
My bad. You are correct. It would seem there is contradiction in the rules right on the same page.
But on the same note, when you see contradiction like this, you should be asking for clarification immediately instead of just interpreting what you see fit..........or at least provide ALL the proof you can to cover your @ss.
Yes, the rules are still a problem at HWB, but it seems like more time is spent by most finding loopholes rather than helping fix the problem.
I always assumed the rule meant a mainboard tab was needed if you were plugging the output cable into the motherboard, hence the motherboard IGP part. It doesn't matter if the actual GPU is on die or onboard, they are integrated and you are plugged into the motherboard.
Of course, the teams that have the most to lose will argue that it wasn't necessary. I recently just had a new teammates scores blocked because he didn't have CPUz on the screen, he didn't read the rules, didn't know it was necessary the score was taken down. Are you arguing that it should have stayed because he didn't see the rule? Or are you saying that you saw the rule, thought it didn't apply to you, despite the majority of every entry having it, including your country mates, didn't ask for clarification and then left it off intentionally.
I'm fine with how ever it gets ruled, its always hard on the moderation staff to take down scores that significantly impact the standings and I understand that some members have the swagger to receive 'interpretations' of this sort.
Look forward to next year, love these big competitions, planning already in the works for the next one! Happy holidays!
Leeghoofd has already ruled on this. He is a results moderator if you didn't know.
I have an idea for future competitions... Put the rules on the background! That way they have to be ironed out at first and no one has an excuse for missing them.
Why do you assume that motherboard tab is left out intentionally and that poeple are looking for loopholes? That sound very cynical to me. I think that everyone has the best interest in being honest in the competitions and since motherboard tab is rarely mandatory it's easy to forget about it. Leaving out CPU-Z alltogether is a completly different thing, but leaving out motherboard tab intentionally when benching Kaveri, it doesn't make sence and I can't see any gain in that when you at the same time have both CPU tab and GPU-Z open.
I think it's just sad that there are all these accusations and sour discussions after every competition...
Next time we need to add to the rules what is needed for verification purposes... this chit chat is too much too drama...
I'll try to work on a permanent fix with the two uber lords of HWBot for the next competition...
i know how hard it is to think about anything when you make the rules as everything is so obviose when you have been thinking and working on it for a while. if nothing else the rules gets beter for next year now that you guys know what have been unclear and coused problems this time.
I never said anybody did anything intentionally, and I never accused anybody of anything.
Ok, than I perhaps missunderstood, but the below quotes led me to believe that is what you meant:
...
but it seems like more time is spent by most finding loopholes rather than helping fix the problem
...
Again, I don't write the rules, but everybody should be following said same rules, not interpreting them as they see fit.
...
I apologize if I this was not your meaning. The accusation-part was not aimed at you, it was just generally speaking.
Hi Leeghoofd, thank you for the clarification and moderation on the results for these stages.
I'd like to offer the idea going forward, to have in the submission rules on the sideline, an example screenshot of the applications and tabs available.
Here's one I've just mocked up:
with the hope that it links to something like this: http://news.hwbot.org/Content/Verification%20Examples/3dmarkFireStrikeExtremeValidationRules.png (Correct for the stage, competition background and all).
With the competitions being spun off to OC-eSports.IO, theres a bit of a disconnect with all the rules and example screenshots living back on HWBOT.
I can understand I was thinking about something similar alike the below. Good idea to include maybe again a proper how-to screenshot :ws:
We will try to persuade the people in command
We could just discontinue the esports site /unpopularopinion
Asus comp was similar to that which was good, but then different rules in the discussion thread. Be good to have it all clear in one are only, to save the shit fight like it was in the end. The important word there being "CLEAR".
Just don't leave anything for interpretation, that's the main idea. Even SS layout should be similar to the example IMO, that way nothing should be missed. (ok, that's my CDO kicking in).
And your dyslexia.
I prefer to write it in alphabetical order.
It has an anti-aussie bot, which took ages to develop. So we are obliged to keep it as long as you guys participate :nana:
All jokes aside, is that above picture a good thing to integrate in the rules per stage plus an example of a valid screenshot? Leaves no room for debate does it?
that would be great. if it makes things clearer and reduce the amount of drama im all in.
Any final result soon?
shhhh I'm liking my 4th place points
I also have fourth place points
I don't get any points at all, we are trying to finalise the stuff today... hold on!!
Was the motherboard tab needed in stage 2? If not, man I had the guys in a spin with 2 hours to go!
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