[Video] GPU Thermal Paste Application, the Buildzoid Methodology

It never ceases to amaze me just how much overclockers agree on virtually nothing. Not ever it seems. From motherboard insulation, to simple CPU pot mountings and even paper towels, consensus is pretty damn hard to find. One such topic of debate is the simple act of thermal paste application. There are different ways to apply thermal paste to a CPU or GPU before mounting the cooler; a small ball, long strips, crosses etc are all techniques favored by some overclockers, and equally derided by others. One man who is never short of an opinion or ten is Buildzoid. Today we bring you the Buildzoid way to apply thermal paste to a GPU in preparation for some LN2-based, subzero overclocking.

The graphics card in question is the latest AMD Radeon RX Vega 64 card, but in fact the advice Buildzoid has to share would I’m sure be applicable to most high-end, full bore GPUs. The GPU LN2 pot he uses is the ECC Raptor 4 from der8aeur which as Buildzoid notes, offers sufficient clearance for the chokes on the PCB. Buildzoid has successfully got his Vega GPU down to temps of -130 C without cracking and reckons thermal paste application is a major factor in making this happen.

His thermal paste of choice is the popular Thermal Grizzly Kryonaut. He starts by applying direct from the tube to the GPU Vega core, dabbing a small amount to each of the corners. He then mounts the LN2 pot briefly so that he has an outline of where the paste connected with the pot. He then applies paste to the LN2 pot in a relatively thick lines from corner to corner to the other, then spreading it out to cover the surface of the pot. He then goes back to the GPU, adding plenty of paste to the edges of the GPU. He is very generous with the paste.

He goes on to reveal plenty of techniques that he’s picked up from other overclockers and offers plenty of advice along the way. Thanks for sharing as ever Buildzoid. You can catch the video here on the Actually Hardcore Overclocking YouTube channel where there’s a ton of live extreme OC sessions, PCB breakdowns and more.

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Germany Dancop says:

I know the guy who told him this :D

United States steponz says:

Lol someone who can't bench gpu giving there method.. hahah

United States l0ud_sil3nc3 says:

This noob is the king of recycling other people's information. At least give credit where credit is due. . .

Infuriare says:

l0ud_sil3nc3 said: This noob is the king of recycling other people's information. At least give credit where credit is due. . .


Uh, he did? 4:15 into the video.

Australia zeropluszero says:

Yeh but I'd have to watch 4mins of the video....

United States Splave says:

you guys are savage lol

France Wimpzilla says:

Splave said: you guys are savage lol


Not savage, ignorant would be the right term, to be so disrespectful!

Also a mod should punish these kind of behaviors, especially toward users that share knowledge, that's why forums exist in the first place.

Maybe with a month or two without the ability to sub, since it is the only thing these gentlemen understand!

Sharing is what these gentlemen do not or only between them maybe, to fear their precious point fly away!

Pathetic behavior again!

Australia zeropluszero says:

Splave said: you guys are savage lol

When Vince makes a video I'll be sure to watch.

United States Splave says:

Wimpzilla said: Not savage, ignorant would be the right term, to be so disrespectful!

Also a mod should punish these kind of behaviors, especially toward users that share knowledge, that's why forums exist in the first place.

Maybe with a month or two without the ability to sub, since it is the only thing these gentlemen understand!

Sharing is what these gentlemen do not or only between them maybe, to fear their precious point fly away!

Pathetic behavior again!

I understand sharing good info for sure, but you can ask the source of the info who asked not to share it how he feels especially when used to profit themselves.

Sharing with your team on your home forum is good but sharing on hwbot is almost silly imo. This is a place of competition. Should Mercedes-Benz share all of their technology secrets with BMW because hey we all like cars here. ;)

France Wimpzilla says:

Splave said: I understand sharing good info for sure, but you can ask the source of the info who asked not to share it how he feels especially when used to profit themselves.

Sharing with your team on your home forum is good but sharing on hwbot is almost silly imo. This is a place of competition. Should Mercedes-Benz share all of their technology secrets with BMW because hey we all like cars here. ;)


Did you gentlemen thanks the guy who discovered the penicillin each time you got and antibiotic, by the way the guy was called Alexander Fleming’s.

Did you thanks the guy responsible for the field effect transistor each time you break a record, for you info it was these guys, Julius Edgar Lilienfeld, Oskar Heil were the first to patent it.

Nope! Nope! And maybe here, but nope!

So now if we would be 10/15 years ago, would be a such discussion even possible? When each of you gentlemen were learning how to and exchange information in the process, maybe happy to find out what you needed on a forum?

We should patent a such basic thing nowadays, as how apply thermal paste on a gpu, because of LN2 competition and point earning!

This thing is silly, no matter what! Not wanted to share information by the fear to loose your points, because: "hey i'm so good at oc that all my skills lies into thermal paste application!"

At least be respectful toward others and don't belittle them if you don't want to share, just don't share at this point! That what it is mostly missing on the top of preaching patenting oc techniques as a company!

And to be fully honest, i'm not happy either that each TIME i want to have a picture of the rig used to break fancy record, i got instead in the submission a nice smiley saying: "nope i will not share that!"
Posting a real picture of what you are doing should be mandatory, another thing that HWBOT mods allow you to do to preserve your secrets! But to be honest it should be mandatory to post a real picture of the actual rig, to allow other to check what you are doing, since it is an open competition, as you clearly mention, not a close one!

This is another issue that come along the past discussion for binned sponsored cpu in the submissions!

Czech Republic buildzoid says:

Except I wasn't asked not to share at least not explicitly. If not sharing this was implied then I'm sorry for not picking up on that.

United States yosarianilives says:

I think it's hilarious that people in this forum are tearing someone apart for providing advice on how to apply thermal paste to an ln2 pot. It's video resources like these that help new members figure out what they're doing and it only helps the community. This isn't a trade secret, just a tip. A trade secret would be what actually *are* the 11 herbs and spices used in KFC chicken.

United States Splave says:

^ It makes the chicken taste better shouldnt we all get to know so we can make it at home?! Or did they perfect the recipe with time and money and hold it under lock and key.

United States yosarianilives says:

Splave said: ^ It makes the chicken taste better shouldnt we all get to know so we can make it at home?! Or did they perfect the recipe with time and money and hold it under lock and key.


I suppose we'll never know. But it isn't too hard to figure out how they cook the chicken.

Brazil Casanova says:

Splave said: ^ It makes the chicken taste better shouldnt we all get to know so we can make it at home?! Or did they perfect the recipe with time and money and hold it under lock and key.


With all respect, but i think that tweaks and tips discovered and shared by XOC are not a business, we are a community passionate by overclocking, so sharing things that aren't for sale should be encouraged.

United States l0ud_sil3nc3 says:

I refuse to monetize any videos from this channel so no I have not seen this video nor any other ones from OP. I do know that @elmor and @TiN had to correct OP multiple times so imho it's probably better to say nothing than to spread misinformation.

Another team mate (hands down the best modder in the game;)) of mine gave OP some tips for cap mods only to have him make a video about it like it was his method and once again zero credit so this is a recurring theme.

@Wimpzilla no need to get butthurt by by Dan's, Joe's post or mine we are just calling it as it is :) If you think I care about imaginary internet points than you are the one that's truly ignorant. Maybe focus on contributing something yourself instead of calling for the banning of respected members who simply voice their opinion.

France Wimpzilla says:

l0ud_sil3nc3 said: I refuse to monetize any videos from this channel so no I have not seen this video nor any other ones from OP.


Sure the OP have on average 3k views per video on his channel and you are speaking about monetize?!

To conclude, i did not even read your complete answer, this is where i stopped, writing this post, then closing the site!

I refuse to read ignorant thought as you refuse by principle to monetize his uber 3k video view channel.

United Kingdom mickulty says:

Funny how quiet these guys throwing shade were on the videos sharing how he modded a 1070 to get a random low-end non-binned card to the fastest GPU score in time spy: http://hwbot.org/submission/3578157_buildzoid_3dmark___time_spy_geforce_gtx_1070_8095_marks

Greece OGS says:

mickulty said: Funny how quiet these guys throwing shade were on the videos sharing how he modded a 1070 to get a random low-end non-binned card to the fastest GPU score in time spy: http://hwbot.org/submission/3578157_buildzoid_3dmark___time_spy_geforce_gtx_1070_8095_marks


Didn't want to interfere but come on man... This doesn't have any substance at all.
He barely passed the water wahuhu guy who does no tweaking nor modding by something like what? 30 graphics points?

Imagine if there was an actual competition out there with guys benching this pointless (literally, no impact on the actual rankings) card

United Kingdom mickulty says:

FireKillerGR said: Imagine if there was an actual competition out there with guys benching this pointless (literally, no impact on the actual rankings) card


Like round 1 of the ROG OCS?

Greece OGS says:

mickulty said: Like round 1 of the ROG OCS?


had to google to find what this was about lol

If you consider this as something that made the 1070 a competitive card that tons of people would bench then I think I should skip the rest of the conversation :)

PS. by competition I meant ranking-wise between members, not actual competition as contest

United States l0ud_sil3nc3 says:

FireKillerGR said: Didn't want to interfere but come on man... This doesn't have any substance at all.
He barely passed the water wahuhu guy who does no tweaking nor modding by something like what? 30 graphics points?

Imagine if there was an actual competition out there with guys benching this pointless (literally, no impact on the actual rankings) card


This.

Bench on LN2 and still get beat by H20 user on overall score. Sounds like someone who most definitely should be giving users advice on gpu benching. . .

Benching 1070 is a waste of time the only thing it's good for is mining lol.

France Wimpzilla says:

So first let get the data:

This sub say custom H2O: http://hwbot.org/submission/3602453_h2o_vs_ln2_3dmark___time_spy_geforce_gtx_1070_8143_marks
Where is the picture of the rig proving it, there is no picture? Who tell me this was under water aside the fact it was specified in the sub? Not i don't believe @H2o vs. Ln2 but as scientific guy i believe proof, here there is no proof i'm sorry!
This is the picture submitted with the sub: http://hwbot.org/image/1873106/thumb.jpg
For what i know it could be a chiller or something like that! There is no T° specified anywhere that could prove it again, neither from internal sensors or any external probe!?

More the GPU clocks reported are lower than the other sub in the top tier of the list, but with an higher overall score!
Why higher score, i believe because of a cpu @4.7Ghz against the 4.4Ghz from the OP! Did not bother to check the RAM clock, you get the point.

So again if one know that benching 3DMark GPU = having the best CPU/RAM clocks (nonsense), how the gentlemen can leverage the OP GPU overclocking skills when the scores are highly tied to the CPU score!

If not enough one can apply all the optimizations on the system as OS and drivers. I mean benching a GPU that have almost no image output, only artifact is considerated fair here, yeah whatever.

Once again if one get the data, its hard to say whats going on here, but what can be said for sure, that the OP is skilled as the top tier gentlemen, if one would analyze the data i would say that H2o vs. Ln2 submission is the outsider from the whole data set, not the OP one!

So again what we are speaking here, i will tell you: nonsense!

Why, let me post here the GPU scores of the first 6 submissions:
-7603
-7634
-7764
-7549
-7412
-7270

So here you go, OP have better GPU score that the top submission, but still gentlemen criticize!
In my world this is called defamation and it utterly punished by law, but here mods let it go as it is nothing.
Why, i don't know! Is this normal, nope! Is this the first time it happen, nope either!

Again pathetic!

Edit: Worth to mention that the OP posted R E A L pictures of the bench rig, what top tier gentlemen do not!

Australia newlife says:

While I'm not the biggest fan of him you guys should give him a break because unlike you guys who are fine to bunny about him, he actually puts videos and such out to help others and I know for a fact that his information on AMD gpus has come to use to others

I'm also pretty disappointed that the OC community would gang up on another overclocker like this because he actually attempts to help the community unlike most of you people

Greece OGS says:

just a clarification, I jumped in to comment that the pov of Mick re the 1070 doesn't make sense to me :)

Also, system photos are pretty much useless on top scores as they are all on ln2. They are just good on showing what pots you use and promo your sponsors if any.
We aren't messing with chilled water and claim it to be h2o in order to participate in comps that have temp limits (stuff that can happen in lower leagues). Photos change nothing 99% of the times.

Regarding all the rest like hanging, judging publicly or praising for sharing (others') info; I just wanted to avoid commenting since I think both sides were kinda extreme imho

Brazil Casanova says:

newlife said: While I'm not the biggest fan of him you guys should give him a break because unlike you guys who are fine to bunny about him, he actually puts videos and such out to help others and I know for a fact that his information on AMD gpus has come to use to others

I'm also pretty disappointed that the OC community would gang up on another overclocker like this because he actually attempts to help the community unlike most of you people


This.
I like being part of XOC, but sometimes i get really disappointed with some top overclockers.
Buildzoid is doing and showing overclock the best way: an addict and fun hobby, demystifying for the layman and probably future extreme members.

France Wimpzilla says:

FireKillerGR said:
Also, system photos are pretty much useless on top scores as they are all on ln2. They are just good on showing what pots you use and promo your sponsors if any.


You are missing the point completely, it's not about showing how much LN2 your pot is smoking or which brand you are using, it is an open competition and one must show the rig and modifications done to allow other to judge what you are doing. To be also able to reproduce if needed the conditions of the submission and compare results!

Because i still don't get a clear picture on how a water sub beat the four previous scores done under LN2/dice on this GPU submission by a far margin! Would be cool at this point if one give me a clear and neat explanations based on fact and data.

And you call me a noob/inexperienced, no problem with that, i do not have any experience on LN2 overclocking even if i clock from long time and had swam into LN2 because of my job. Nevertheless it not mean that i should not learn or leverage what one is doing. If it would not be for public events and some video on utube i would not even know what a pot look like. Go figure a complete noob that wish get some info about and give it a try.

Also, please the next live competition, hide every top tier clockers under a single little box where they bench and nobody could see what they are doing, just output the scores result.
Because it is what happen now on every common submissions.

There are principles that apply to competition that should be a standard, some of these standards here are clearly missing! And this brought already some issues on how this stuff is done.

And yes i trust none of you, after had leveraged that users cheat on scores or use parts and information not accessible to the public to reach they marvelous points!

In a competition elite does not mean private/hidden, it mean the most skilled users!

United States Mr.Scott says:

I admire your boldness.

Greece OGS says:

Wimpzilla said: You are missing the point completely, it's not about showing how much LN2 your pot is smoking or which brand you are using, it is an open competition and one must show the rig and modifications done to allow other to judge what you are doing. To be also able to reproduce if needed the conditions of the submission and compare results!

Because i still don't get a clear picture on how a water sub beat the four previous scores done under LN2/dice on this GPU submission by a far margin! Would be cool at this point if one give me a clear and neat explanations based on fact and data.

And you call me a noob/inexperienced, no problem with that, i do not have any experience on LN2 overclocking even if i clock from long time and had swam into LN2 because of my job. Nevertheless it not mean that i should not learn or leverage what one is doing. If it would not be for public events and some video on utube i would not even know what a pot look like. Go figure a complete noob that wish get some info about and give it a try.

Also, please the next live competition, hide every top tier clockers under a single little box where they bench and nobody could see what they are doing, just output the scores result.
Because it is what happen now on every common submissions.

There are principles that apply to competition that should be a standard, some of these standards here are clearly missing! And this brought already some issues on how this stuff is done.

And yes i trust none of you, after had leveraged that users cheat on scores or use parts and information not accessible to the public to reach they marvelous points!

In a competition elite does not mean private/hidden, it mean the most skilled users!


Am I the one missing the point? It is an open competition yes and no, you are not obligated to share with everyone else so they can reproduce your score. By the rules, you only need to show a screenshot (in oc-esports comps system photo too) and have to have a valid result.
Why would I be obligated, to share the ocp mod I found, or the thermal paste trick, or the pot mounting, or or or, so someone who might have been benching for way less than me, or even for the first time, beats me? So he can degrade all the effort and experience that someone before him had to put on making a single score?

"Hey Wimpzilla, here is my screenshot, my system photo, my mods, my tweaks, my personal ID, and some backup scores so you can submit them and save you some time. No worries pal"

Me, showing a photo before, during or after my benching sessions by itself means jack $hit tbh. But being obligated to share info about how to reproduce my score is simply idiotic to say the least.

As for the question between h2o vs buildzoid's score.

First of all, h2o didn't participate in any competition so he wasn't obligated to show his rig.

Additionally, running a gpu modded @high clocks doesn't mean you get efficiency by default. Buildzoid could hit some kind of power limitation which would limit the clocks of the gpu (you see 2350 which could drop @2250 during load :) )

Now, the only "fault" I see towards this subject in general, is that it wasn't mandatory to have an xtu screenshot before. Something that many people took into advantage but has been addressed now.

PS. About the latest part. Galax 1080 Ti's Hof xoc bios was given to anyone who bought the card and wanted to participate into the OPEN qualifiers.
Aside of this, I see nothing confidential that other people don't have access to.

PS 2. You can check our videos to see how we broke GPUPI. If you had participated in the qualifiers, and had qualified to the GOC finals. You could actually witness a live reproduction of it. People there, who are 80+% of my league's competitors could see the OS we were using, the tweaks we did, and how we benched the card.
So you might not trust me or whoever else here, but I trust YOU on the current lack of skill/experience and effort.
Especially the latest based on your whole perspective here.

France Wimpzilla says:

Well sharing a technique do not mean master it. The time you spent master it would anyway give you the advantage on a newcomer even if he know how to do, i'm sorry. This could be applied in any technical, scientific area, unless you spend time to teach to the newcomer each peculiarity of the technique to allow him to reach the same level of mastery of yours in a lower amount of time.
Hope this point is clear enough for you!

After that, reading your words you clearly state that the HWBot normal competition is under shadows until you reach the public, where no shadow could exist because more easily spotted and utterly punished.
So on public area each one get the same hardware, outside the public area do what ever you want. This is not the definition of public competition, where regulatory statement do not correspond with opinions. Otherwise law enforcement would be a joke right.
Hope this point is also clear enough!

Aside that, being ignorant, disrespectful and threatening other of inexperienced to back up you pride is funny. As far i'm not experience under LN2 techniques you are threatening me of noob without knowing my actual skill and knowledge in other areas that are not mounting a pot and benching on LN2.

More than that i asked to back up explanations by data in a neat way, you just come out with a basic power limitation excuse. If there was a power limitation and clocks would not boost as high as they should, please explain me why the GPU score is higher than the other.

Obviously you did not take the time to read what i posted and asked before and jumped on the train: "let belittle this one too to settle this easily!", sorry this stuff don't work with me. Data and scientific proof or its is just you opinion that do not worth a penny!

Unfortunately for you nope, you are the one that seems poorly skilled based essentially on your own words, go figure!

Greece OGS says:

Wimpzilla said: Well sharing a technique do not mean master it. The time you spent master it would anyway give you the advantage on a newcomer even if he know how to do, i'm sorry. This could be applied in any technical, scientific area, unless you spend time to teach to the newcomer each peculiarity of the technique to allow him to reach the same level of mastery of yours in a lower amount of time.
Hope this point is clear enough for you!

After that, reading your words you clearly state that the HWBot normal competition is under shadows until you reach the public, where no shadow could exist because more easily spotted and utterly punished.
So on public area each one get the same hardware, outside the public area do what ever you want. This is not the definition of public competition, where regulatory statement do not correspond with opinions. Otherwise law enforcement would be a joke right.
Hope this point is also clear enough!

Aside that, being ignorant, disrespectful and threatening other of inexperienced to back up you pride is funny. As far i'm not experience under LN2 techniques you are threatening me of noob without knowing my actual skill and knowledge in other areas that are not mounting a pot and benching on LN2.

More than that i asked to back up explanations by data in a neat way, you just come out with a basic power limitation excuse. If there was a power limitation and clocks would not boost as high as they should, please explain me why the GPU score is higher than the other.

Obviously you did not take the time to read what i posted and asked before and jumped on the train: "let belittle this one too to settle this easily!", sorry this stuff don't work with me. Data and scientific proof or its is just you opinion that do not worth a penny!

Unfortunately for you nope, you are the one that seems poorly skilled based essentially on your own words, go figure!


A) You only mentioned technique but what about other stuff? What if I share my drivers' settings which can be applied by anyone? Not everything is hard but almost everything requires time. I value mine enough to be protective vs guys who want to have it for free.

B) If you see it this way, then too bad for you and you should address this to the mods/admins. I believe its ok as it is (most scores if not all, can be verified) and if not, it will get better by time. You see something weird, you report it. Better than having guys (like you and me) analyze if its legit or not. Much more drama which isn't needed.

C) At which point did I "threat" you? lolz?
Additionally benching with ln2 can be completely different than just having a very efficient score at ambient cooling. Different temps, different scenario, different issues.

D) Guy A ran @2240/2450 and scored 7603. Guy B ran @2367/2425. Which could actually be an easy throttle @2250-2270-2300 or whatever based on the Power Limit rule (see? thats why it can be highe) . Have experienced it with 10x0 cards before, and it is the scenario that makes the most sense.
Now if you wanna live at your own fantasy, then no worries. Swallow whatever secnario pleases you. You can even report his score for "unrealistic at given clocks"

E) You are the one calling bs to someone else score, indicating that the h2o guy cheated because he had similar/close graphics score with someone who ran at higher clocks (buildzoid).
Why the heck do I need to prove to you why this could happen? It is your own problem.

F) Oh you are trying to pull this twist... Good one got to admit. Used to do the same when we were 8-10 yo just to sound complicated while we wanted to prove our point (without making sense nor proving it) .

That's the final post from my side.
Too much energy spent already, and I doubt you will understand any of my points.
Wanna be a rebel and question whatever for whichever reason you pick, even tho it might actually make sense? Suit yourself. :)

websmile says:

I close the thread because this leads nowhere - I have an opinion on this as well^^ - and will not share it. I understand the people who want to keep the advantage they earned by testing and spending lots of time, I understand the people who appreciate help and I understand people who share their work. All have their point, but I will not support force used to pressure people sharing for example. If we want overclocking to be hobby but also sports and competition, we have to accept that not everything can be given away what people discover with money, time and knowledge. I helped myself a lot on basic stuff, even people who are criticzed here helped others, and I simply see help as a gift people give of knowledge they earned themselves, and not as an obligation. Hwbot can not and will not force people to share, but we appreciate it if done at free will and also encourage it.

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