Points for HWBOT Prime and X265 Benchmark Temporarily Disabled

Following a recently uncovered exploit of the Java-based HWBOT Prime and HWBOT X265 Benchmark applications, points have been disabled until further notice. The staff is looking into the issues and will update when the situation is clarified further.

The integrity of both applications as benchmarks is unaffected and benchmark results remain valid. However, due to the nature of the exploit the benchmarks can not be used in a competitive environment.

Thank you for understanding and apologies for causing any inconvenience.


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Belgium Massman says:

FYI

Indonesia speed.fastest says:

Im not benching for months, maybe i can have advantages in this lol xD But i almost try all Java version :(

United States GtiJason says:

just spent last 2 days benching these two, sure it was an old 4770k but also 20L of juice. We worked very hard for team cup scores and have first by a good margin, I hope you won't be taking this away from us. If you need any files let me know asap

Belgium Massman says:

GtiJason said: just spent last 2 days benching these two, sure it was an old 4770k but also 20L of juice.
We worked very hard for team cup scores and have first by a good margin, I hope you won't be taking this away from us. If you need any files let me know asap


[MENTION=60274]GtiJason[/MENTION]

We're looking into the impact for various competitions. We're trying to find ways to identify 'bad' results so any action would only impact those results (and not the people who play fair)

United States GtiJason says:

Yeah I just saw the info from Allen and youtube vid. Funny thing is I went looking for the "tweak" that was mentioned by Saega earlier and saw another result discussion with Allen asking again and said F it pots cold better bench

United States bigblock990 says:

Massman said: [MENTION=60274]GtiJason[/MENTION]

We're looking into the impact for various competitions. We're trying to find ways to identify 'bad' results so any action would only impact those results (and not the people who play fair)


So challenger div 1 rd3 stage 4 is x265 1080p. How will this be affected? I was going to do this stage over the weekend, but maybe best to wait? I don't want to burn ln2 if its possible the bench will be removed from the comp.

Thanks

Belgium Massman says:

bigblock990 said: So challenger div 1 rd3 stage 4 is x265 1080p. How will this be affected? I was going to do this stage over the weekend, but maybe best to wait? I don't want to burn ln2 if its possible the bench will be removed from the comp. Thanks
From the looks of it we'll be able to easily identify flaws X265 results based on the 'elapsed time' indication. So it should/could be fine for the ongoing contests. We'll have more information soon, hopefully before the weekend :) Sent from my A0001 using Tapatalk

Australia BarboneNet says:

so what about teamcup??? i just bought a cpu for hwbotprime......can i post hwbotprime result for teamcup or not??? i have few times at the moment and i dont wanna waste ln2(it costs me 1.8dollar per litre WTF) thanks

United States Tech Tweaker says:

Dang, and I was just looking into running X265 since I noticed it awarded hardware points. May not bother if it doesn't award any (not helpful to my team or me if there isn't any reward for running it). Just ran and submitted some benches on HWBOT Prime yesteday, was wondering why my points for them disappeared. I wasn't even aware there were any tweaks for it, so I'm at least reasonably certain my results are valid for that one. Hope this doesn't turn into a major fiasco like UCBench did, which is now a worthless benchmark with no points of any kind.

Argentina siouxx says:

I think this shows something that has been hiding or covering for a long time and is recurrent. It would seem that hwbot does not actually test programs thoroughly before enabling points. Many of us invested a lot of time and especially money in this hobby that turned into a race to see who has more money and despite that is the game we chose to play, but it does not seem at all fair to disable the points after having invested so much.

Australia zeropluszero says:

barbonenet said: (it costs me 1.8dollar per litre WTF)

I still pay $2.20 a litre, cry me a river.
siouxx said: Many of us invested a lot of time and especially money in this hobby that turned into a race to see who has more money and despite that is the game we chose to play, but it does not seem at all fair to disable the points after having invested so much.

Welcome to overclocking.

Germany please_delete_me says:

zeropluszero said: I still pay $2.20 a litre, cry me a river.


With current exchange rate I would pay nearly 8 USD per litre. I wish I could have ln2 for this ridiculously low price... ;)

And yes, I really mean ln2, not lhe... :D

United Kingdom GeorgeStorm says:

BenchBrothers.de said: With current exchange rate I would pay nearly 8 USD per litre. I wish I could have ln2 for this ridiculously low price... ;)

And yes, I really mean ln2, not lhe... :D


You need to find a new supplier, so you can afford to bench more :D

Australia BarboneNet says:

So we have to throw away ln2?? Sent from my F5121 using Tapatalk

Australia avalanche says:

BenchBrothers.de said: With current exchange rate I would pay nearly 8 USD per litre. I wish I could have ln2 for this ridiculously low price... ;)

And yes, I really mean ln2, not lhe... :D


Toss it & bench with beer

Belgium leeghoofd says:

siouxx said: I think this shows something that has been hiding or covering for a long time and is recurrent. It would seem that hwbot does not actually test programs thoroughly before enabling points.


You really want us to test any possible cheat/tweak out there? All the hardware software combos? I suggest you join the team asap and we will get you riding on the money train :D

My two cents: If everybody just runs these benchmarks stock, while only focussing on the clocks we would not have all this drama over and over again...

Argentina siouxx says:

Leeghoofd said: You really want us to test any possible cheat/tweak out there? All the hardware software combos? I suggest you join the team asap and we will get you riding on the money train :D

My two cents: If everybody just runs these benchmarks stock, while only focussing on the clocks we would not have all this drama over and over again...


I would have expected another response considering that hwbot is a community of tens of thousands of people and has industry leading partners. It may not be necessary to test absolutely all combinations, but you could try the most representative or most important ones.

France bolc says:

Hello,
I read the title, but in fact not all the HWBOT PRIME scores are disabled. For some cpus anything above 1 pt was disabled (4690k, 4790k, 3770k), but for others, scores from the #1 ranking are still active (4770k, 3570k, 2500k) ; listing only the cpus I have scores for.

Is it because you have cleared those scores/processors, or you just missed them and will disable the scores in the near future?

Best

Australia avalanche says:

What is the value? If you know you cheat, how can you feel good about yourself.

Man & machine pushed to the limits I say. Also I'd like my non cheating 45 points back.

Australia zeropluszero says:

avalanche said: Also I'd like my non cheating 45 points back.

too bad. deal with it.

Australia avalanche says:

zeropluszero said: too bad. deal with it.


Rubbish........deal with it

EDIT IN FACT. I'll expand.

The majority of overclockers out there you know air/water would be pissed!
87 thousand guys trying to hit good points.

Don't try dilute my f'n message. I earn my points .........

Australia cbjaust says:

zeropluszero said: too bad. deal with it.


you would be more magnanimous if you had significant time and points invested into x265 and hwbot prime in the current climate of dirty cheats making it worse for all the honest benchers out there. hopefully it can get sorted soon and we can get our fairly earned points back.

Australia avalanche says:

zero + condescending + zero

Australia newlife says:

avalanche said: Rubbish........deal with it

EDIT IN FACT. I'll expand.

The majority of overclockers out there you know air/water would be pissed!
87 thousand guys trying to hit good points.

Don't try dilute my f'n message. I earn my points .........

If points are that important to you I strongly suggest you quit because they are only meaningless internet points and it's not what overclocking is about

Australia avalanche says:

newlife said: If points are that important to you I strongly suggest you quit because they are only meaningless internet points and it's not what overclocking is about
Another freezer's words of wisdom " insert roll eyes " Don't pretend to know me OR what I'm about.

Doing those benches this week & removed because of someone else in the worlds perceived cheating. Backward <> Forward on the pc clock = Your Bencher supreme tweak LoL

Netherlands wiLLius says:

avalanche said: Another freezer's words of wisdom " insert roll eyes " Don't pretend to know me OR what I'm about.

Doing those benches this week & removed because of someone else in the worlds perceived cheating. Backward <> Forward on the pc clock = Your Bencher supreme tweak LoL



fyi we all lost points due to this. besides, isn't it better to lose some points and in the process of that eliminate a cheater AND get the respective benchmarks fixed?

its a hobby man chill out =)

Finland Jokot says:

This explains a lot started wondering why i lost over 50 points this week haha

Australia avalanche says:

wiLLius said: fyi we all lost points due to this. besides, isn't it better to lose some points and in the process of that eliminate a cheater AND get the respective benchmarks fixed?

its a hobby man chill out =)


I am very chilled Willius.......just don't like other team members try boss me around.
All very annoying the timing of this & bought more processors to bench

Australia macsbeach98 says:

Dont worry about it.
Its only 2 benches there are plenty of other benches to bench.
I actually jumped up a place in the rankings because I dont do HWBOT Prime much and I have run X265 about 3 times.

Australia newlife says:

avalanche said: just don't like other team members try boss me around.


You need to stop trying to take everything so seriously and complaining 24/7 it's really annoying and isn't a positive look for the community and keep in mind most of us only do this as a hobby on the side

Australia avalanche says:

newlife said: You need to stop trying to take everything so seriously and complaining 24/7 it's really annoying and isn't a positive look for the community and keep in mind most of us only do this as a hobby on the side


Change name to NewMuM......... do go & dominate your own sibling
Again you don't know me & assume grumpy
______

I can do a comment about points. Important to me & I just worked on them days before.
Your smart ass mate dumping around the place on other peoples posts is the start of this!

Australia newlife says:

avalanche said: Change name to NewMuM......... do go & dominate your own sibling
Again you don't know me & assume grumpy
______

I can do a comment about points. Important to me & I just worked on them days before.
Your smart ass mate dumping around the place on other peoples posts is the start of this!

By all means keep being a snob and missing the point I'm trying to make as I don't really care :celebration:

Australia avalanche says:

You take high road then air of superiority man
________

My FIRST x2 posts in the whole of HWbot forums all good & fine.
THEN MADE TO DEFEND ON BACK FOOT from you pair of clowns

Didn't loose points then move on. None of your beeswax in here meddling doing your put down methods

Chile Samsarulz says:

LOL. Seems the ambient guys really hold extreme in contempt...

Australia avalanche says:

Assumptions again. Fact these other chumps get after my text online forums.
Gets me feisty hey :D

Passionate about overclocking my machines here, that's all you need to read into.

websmile says:

Sigh, this discussion leads nowhere - we will check now if the benchmarks can be fixed, we are optimistic about at least x265, and if all is checked we can decide if points will be re enabled. Until then no need to fight about something that was caused by one person cheating, we did check alot of results so far and found no other hints up to date. Until then I would prefer to have no drama here, no one gets his points back until all is fixed

Australia avalanche says:

That would be fantastic if the points could be fixed, thankyou.

Although many of the overclockers are not in here to give you proper feedback. It came as a very big surprise to me to see so many points dropped.

Some would have you believe points are no use & that overclocking is value enough. Not true as you know. Definitely a measure against each others performance.

We all can check a score made on HWbot, then tune our systems to race for it. There is status also from achievements & ascending your ranks.
_______

Only just tried the X265 benchmark. Boy is it tough on the processor to get a pass. So that benchmark was good & challenging for my Kabylake
_______

Now the heart of the matter. This member who done the clock manipulation. I'd never heard of this before. Sure it's caused problems & disruption to HWbot.

But.....

Everybody deserves a second chance. They would not be top of the league without some passion for overclocking.
This is a real shame & waste of talent. I do not wish bad for this person & stupid mistake I'm sure he would not make again.

He's out there & he's hurting being banished

Australia ozzie says:

avalanche said: That would be fantastic if the points could be fixed, thankyou.

Although many of the overclockers are not in here to give you proper feedback. It came as a very big surprise to me to see so many points dropped.

Some would have you believe points are no use & that overclocking is value enough. Not true as you know. Definitely a measure against each others performance.

We all can check a score made on HWbot, then tune our systems to race for it. There is status also from achievements & ascending your ranks.
_______

Only just tried the X265 benchmark. Boy is it tough on the processor to get a pass. So that benchmark was good & challenging for my Kabylake
_______

Now the heart of the matter. This member who done the clock manipulation. I'd never heard of this before. Sure it's caused problems & disruption to HWbot.

But.....

Everybody deserves a second chance. They would not be top of the league without some passion for overclocking.
This is a real shame & waste of talent. I do not wish bad for this person & stupid mistake I'm sure he would not make again.

He's out there & he's hurting being banished


i see it like this, i agree with some of your points avalanche, but you cant and wont tell me that someone that has gone from bottom to the higher class of overclocking does not know the risk or consequences of cheating, (we all know it), if you beleive he doesnt know, then you need to open your eyes wider, i refer this situation back to the leopard never changes his spots saying, well they do change, only when theyre moving to get their prey, once its got and they rest under cover to eat the spoils, the spots always fall back into the same place...there is no difference here with cheating, and along the way with it they spoil and cause headaches and grief for others, putting bot thru unnecessary checking, deleting, explaining, emailing, etc etc etc to try fix the issue for the people that do the right thing, if he is , was , as good as you claim, he would not need to cheat to be able to gain the benefits the score from overclocking, i have no sympathy for people who cheat in anything and they deserve what they get and he got what he deserved...if people want to cheat,then cheat at your own peril, because sooner or later you will be caught and the consequences from it are hard !!!!!

United Kingdom ObscureParadox says:

vote to change thread name to "Australians discussion on HWBot Prime and X265" :D

Australia avalanche says:

Yes it's just sad that's all.

I don't know the timeline for when this was done. But obviously it made an ordinary score a world record.

Still I think we must try to forgive. It may only been a tiny blemish on his otherwise spotless record. Think of a few scores in hundreds or thousands.

Do you make a harsh enough example of x1 person so they are shamed out of existence.
If he knowingly did wrong then his peers in here will never let him forget it for a long time

That stigma of cheater will stick.
Sure to be punishment of some/ all sorts. Let him get on & prove his worth again I say

Australia ozzie says:

i vote to leave it as is lewis, it may just give the potential cheaters the consequences that will come from their actions !!!! @ avalanche, he knew the consequence if caught, . he got caught, pure n simple, so be it, drop it !!!

Australia zeropluszero says:

avalanche said: Another freezer

Hahahaha
ObscureParadox said: vote to change thread name to "Australians discussion on HWBot Prime and X265" :D

Seconded

says:

zeropluszero said: I still pay $2.20 a litre, cry me a river.

Welcome to overclocking.


Lol
I can have it for free, but I'm not the material that goes with it. It's ballot.hihi

Australia cbjaust says:

zeropluszero said: Hahahaha


It's real nice of you to bash your team mates on the world stage.

Australia newlife says:

cbjaust said: It's real nice of you to bash your team mates on the world stage.


dude, Shane made a whole thread on OCAU whinging about us being a broken community despite the fact we aren't just because he feels left out and we came 2nd in the Country Cup (by no means bad to finish 2nd) needlessly creating a problem

Australia avalanche says:

Classic out of context remark. Would totally expect this from you. Who put others under foot & steps all over them.

A positive writing exercise " that a narrow minded person can not comprehend. "
Team spirit, boost team spirit, others to join team spirit.

You are a negator neigh sayer, opposed to improvement :thumbdn:

Argentina Pablocs08 says:

Cheaters everywhere... solution: ban ban and more ban OR https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1EJXTh4HMAE :D

Australia JunkDogg says:

OK everyone, time to take off the racy g-strings and put your granny panties back on. Take it back to the AU forums if you really feel the need to continue carrying on. Not singling out anyone, let's just be civil.

Australia ozzie says:

hahaha seems to me youre in more trouble in the team and team spirit than you think, laggin on team mates isnt the go to thing to do, no wonder he/they feel left out from you big knob clockers, dont worry tho,sooner or later it'll come back and bite ya hard on the arse, thats for sure, especially if JD is any gauge of it, he tells lies too, dont ya JD , all talk no go you are mate, promises to send things then pulls out of the deal, no wonder the boys are feelin pissed off

Australia newlife says:

ozzie said: hahaha seems to me youre in more trouble in the team and team spirit than you think, laggin on team mates isnt the go to thing to do, no wonder he/they feel left out from you big knob clockers, dont worry tho,sooner or later it'll come back and bite ya hard on the arse, thats for sure, especially if JD is any gauge of it, he tells lies too, dont ya JD , all talk no go you are mate, promises to send things then pulls out of the deal, no wonder the boys are feelin pissed off


Trying to start crap with someone who is asking people to stop is just low and you should know better

Australia ozzie says:

newlife said: Trying to start crap with someone who is asking people to stop is just low and you should know better


im not startin crap mate, you should know better, i just speak the truth, unfortunately it hurts sometimes

Australia avalanche says:

newlife said: Trying to start crap with someone who is asking people to stop is just low and you should know better


Take it back to the regular forum as JD suggest.
Reverse on the trolling " to form opposition as you do all the time "

Discussion about points lost & cheating. Not cheap shots on my points going down

Australia Paulie_AU says:

:(

Australia zeropluszero says:

cbjaust said: It's real nice of you to bash your team mates on the world stage.

I never asked for anyone to be on my team.
I'll happily bash you on OCAU if you like.
Only not in real life because actually I'm 8 years old and my mum will be mad if I get my clothes dirty.

Shane's a big boy I assume, I'm sure he can fight his battles himself as well CBJ.

newlife said: dude, Shane made a whole thread on OCAU whinging about us being a broken community despite the fact we aren't just because he feels left out.

Here's a link for those that want a laugh.
Future of Australia Overclocking - Overclockers Australia Forums
Thanks again Shane for mending us. I will be sure to get a big Southern Cross tatt when I'm 18 and move out from my mum's place.

avalanche said: Team spirit, boost team spirit, others to join team spirit.
You are a negator neigh sayer, opposed to improvement :thumbdn:

If you want to be Team Captain Shane, just say so, Or make a thread in a round-about way and then wait for the crickets to chirp because 1. We dont need any team captain and 2. even if we did, what are they going to do to motivate us? make threads about how we arent getting along?

ozzie said: hahaha seems to me youre in more trouble in the team and team spirit than you think, laggin on team mates isnt the go to thing to do, no wonder he/they feel left out from you big knob clockers, dont worry tho,sooner or later it'll come back and bite ya hard on the arse, thats for sure, especially if JD is any gauge of it, he tells lies too, dont ya JD , all talk no go you are mate, promises to send things then pulls out of the deal, no wonder the boys are feelin pissed off


Just lol

avalanche said: Not cheap shots on my points going down

sorry
avalanche said: Also I'd like my non cheating 45 points back.

avalanche said: The majority of overclockers out there you know air/water would be pissed!
87 thousand guys trying to hit good points.
Don't try dilute my f'n message. I earn my points .........

avalanche said: I can do a comment about points. Important to me & I just worked on them days before.

avalanche said: That would be fantastic if the points could be fixed, thankyou.
It came as a very big surprise to me to see so many points dropped.
Some would have you believe points are no use & that overclocking is value enough. Not true as you know.




avalanche said: He's out there & he's hurting being banished

Lol, he's on vacation, I doubt he even knows he's been banned.



We done here?


---Edit
Sorry, Just had to laugh at this one again
avalanche said: Another freezer

Australia FatBoyNotSoSlim says:

As the number one overclocker in Australia, can we please calm our tits and let this rest? /thanks

Belgium Massman says:

Looks like the thread has derailed a bit ... closing this one.

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