Java JDK9 Early Access Builds Improve HWBOT Prime Performance - New Top Scores!
HWBOT Prime is a Java-based benchmark that calculates as much prime numbers in a given time frame. It is developed by HWBOT and available for Windows, Linux and Android systems. It's been used by Raspberry Pi overclockers to see how far they can push the little device. The current top scores for the Raspberry Pi generation are 849.52 PPS at 1.62GHz RPI 1 and 2025.77 PPS at 1.5GHz RPI 2, both LN2 cooled. On Windows and Linux, the Java JDK version plays a major role in the performance efficiency.
In a forum thread, Speed.fastest from Indonesia shared his findings testing two new Early Access beta versions of Java JDK9. Both Build 106 and 107 come with a healthy performance improvement in the HWBOT Prime benchmark. A couple of forum members chimed in with test results and confirm the performance increase. Digg_de, for example, improved his Skylake 6700K 4.5GHz result from 6356 to 6725 PPS. Nice!
For more information and discussion, check out the forum thread here.
Hello, I want to share HWBot Prime Tweak to the next level performance. So i think will be alot of people re-benching
Check at my score efficiency with i3 6100 @ 4707MHz : speed.fastest`s HWBOT Prime score: 4893.54 pps with a Core i3 6100
The magic is JRE 9 64bit combined with Windows 10 x64
I hope this will easier to who that find HWBot Prime Tweak.
Edit: Build 108 seems like not working with HWBot Prime. Try build 107 or 106.
Edit 2 : Link added : JRE 9 EA Build 106
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2mrL4IrCzQEb3dCTlRmYTgyWlU/view?usp=sharing
Edit 3 : Link added : JRE 9 EA Build 107
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2mrL4IrCzQEcjZSUTFVTmRmMEU/view?usp=sharing
Added guide how to fix broken saving score function for JRE9 118 or above from @Spiedie
It works on W7 as well, and is Skylake only as far as I'm aware.
Yes it worked in win 7 x64 too. But in windows 10 scored more constant.
Yep testid it with Hsw-e and Ivy... no boost there
For me those scores looks buggy. The old behavior was, first run slow, second run faster by 20-40 points. Now with java9 the first run is at least 100 points faster than the second one and you simply cant reproduce the first one.
Why buggy? I mean it is different Java, and I tested and results were reproducable within margins after every reboot, frequency scaling was logical and I simply think as much as 9 changed results it might as well have changed the characteristics of rerun orgys. Sure it needs observation, but when software base changes, also characteristics of result optimization can change. Let´s simply watch it, for the start I think all works normal
Thanks for sharing man.
You're welcome man. Enjoy it
congrats on spoiling this one that fast.. lol
Lol
Update : Only build 107 or 106 works. Let me upload it for you if you cant find it.
test g3258
version : 8.0.110.12
os : win7 64
4,7ghz 4228.16
test g3258
version : 9.0.0.53
os : win7 64
4,7ghz 4337
test g3258
version : 9.0.x.x
os : win7 64
4,7ghz 4429
说：
Tested on Win7 64Bit with my 24/7 Setting
My old Version
New Version (JRE 9)
This is what you get if you throw every java you can get at every system you can get your hands on. 5 runs per java version, 80+ different java versions. Ill let everyone else test skylake
Min 3583.77, max 3591.22, diff 7.45, ratio 0.21%, best jre8u31 i5-2400S
Min 3602.00, max 3608.58, diff 6.58, ratio 0.18%, best jre7u51 i7-2630QM
Min 7458.67, max 7499.40, diff 40.73, ratio 0.55%, best jre7u15 2xE5-2670
Min 4589.02, max 5390.52, diff 801.50, ratio 17.47%, best jre9u83 i5-3570k 4Ghz
Min 4919.96, max 4958.63, diff 38.67, ratio 0.79%, best jre7u76 i7-4712MQ
Min 1555.62, max 1592.32, diff 36.70, ratio 2.36%, best jre6u3 D925
Min 3989.60, max 4384.42, diff 394.82, ratio 9.90%, best jre6u20 G3258 4.7Ghz
Min 1639.32, max 1643.54, diff 4.22, ratio 0.26%, best jre8u51 G470
Min 1666.20, max 1698.01, diff 31.81, ratio 1.91%, best jre7u71 Atom Z3740D
How many runs is this ? I tried 10 consecutieve runs on a 2600K, 3770K, 4770K & 5960x and didn't get any significant boost with the new 9 106-107 Java version versus my preferred ones ( version depending on the CPUs )... usually the new 9 version was even slower lol...
We are looking for a whopping boost of +400/500points as with Skylake...
说：
Now i've compared two Version of Java with Win10 64Bit. Hitting the "Quick Benchmark" Button 3 times.
JRE8u73/64
JRE9ea+106/64
So that was the reason hwbot prime wasn't launching for me...
@Digg_de Nice test! Identical to me, Windows 10 x64 is more constant & better score.
Tried by myself and its slower on X99 by 50 to 90 points
So only work with skylake? Thanks for the test. because at the moment i dont have any other platfotm.
I can confirm its working on Ivy-E with Win7 64bit.
So Spiedie's best efficiency is with jre6u20 (Win7?)
Min 3989.60, max 4384.42, diff 394.82, ratio 9.90%, best jre6u20 G3258 4.7Ghz
And Raules had better luck with version : 9.0.x.x on W7 64
test g3258
version : 9.0.x.x
os : win7 64
4,7ghz 4429
I guess it's time to do some testing and see what I get
@MetalRacer: Interesting development your old java was the fastest one or did you use an 8 version ? What was the points increase from that version to the 9 one?
I was using 8 and then switched to 9. I compared the best of five scores between the two and version 9 was 300 points higher.
Nice to see other platform get 300 points boost. I hope i can try to other platform.
说：
I'll try on s775 soon.
edit:
No boost with s775 here:
other JRE:
JRE9:
If I tell you 7.62 is 200-300 points faster than any 8 version for some platforms, then the above is not valid
Yes, it's not valid. For now maybe only Skylake is known affected.
Link is up for both version (106 & 107) as someone request.
Confirmed on i3-3227u, Windows 10. +100pts higher on JDK9. Thanks for hint!
So maybe this trick only applicable with specific platform & with specific OS.
already used this several months ago to boost my RPi & RPi2 score in team cup + Challanger
I can not load google drive to download Java 9
..
I had trouble with links also but took the file ID and added to a different url and it worked. it says empty folder after clicking on link but I used google chrome and have google drive so there was an add to google drive button in upper right and it put it right into my drive and downloaded fine after. These should work
https://docs.google.com/folder/d/0B2mrL4IrCzQEb3dCTlRmYTgyWlU/edit
https://docs.google.com/folder/d/0B2mrL4IrCzQEcjZSUTFVTmRmMEU/edit
You can go right to Oracle and get Java
i can not open hwbot prime on w10 with java 9 build 111 . have you got this problem
did it work with 106 or 107 ?
did you try run as admin
Il don t try ... i only try 111 And 114 .
I will try 107
This option is notre availiable on m'y Windows 10 .
I can run as admin many software but not this one
but only 106 and 107 work and they only have newest available on oracle, wasnt the easiest to find older builds. right now build 114 is the only available on the site.
By changing the two numbers in the direct download address line of the latest build any older versions are still there to download.
Il have the 107 il will send it to massman. Hé can upload it on hwbot
Just finished to upload, if someone can rehost it :
JRE 9u106 32-bit : https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B-vN5kL7Kb4eYk1uOHBEMUlDUUk
JRE 9u106 64-bit : https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B-vN5kL7Kb4eS3FuM0xkUTlmMFU
JRE 9u107 32-bit : https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B-vN5kL7Kb4eMkdkSVZ3V3d4MTg
JRE 9u107 64-bit : https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B-vN5kL7Kb4eT0dNMEFuNXk0OTQ
~60 Mo each
106 .. http://www.java.net/download/java/jdk9/archive/106/binaries/jre-9-ea+106_windows-x64_bin.exe
107 .. http://www.java.net/download/java/jdk9/archive/107/binaries/jre-9-ea+107_windows-x64_bin.exe
Thanks that will be good if many do rehosting. This is needed for who need it and cant find anywhere
For those who want an archive (7z format), not exe, here are Project Jigsaw JDK, stripped of source files, demos, samples, and jmods libs :
JDK 9u106 32-bit : https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B-vN5kL7Kb4eNXRxWk5lX2NlVTg (94 Mo, 258 Mo unzipped)
JDK 9u106 64-bit : https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B-vN5kL7Kb4eV3M4VEZEbkRtZzA (86 Mo, 255 Mo unzipped)
JDK 9u107 32-bit : https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B-vN5kL7Kb4eYmJ4V3J0YU1Eek0 (94 Mo, 257 Mo unzipped)
JDK 9u107 64-bit : https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B-vN5kL7Kb4eSHJpVzNoZGlROWM (86 Mo, 255 Mo unzipped)
To use java from anywhere in your file system, add bin folder to your PATH environment variable like :
...;jdk-9-ea+107_windows-x64_bin\jdk-9\bin
with 107 it's the same . i try this evening with 106
i put up a dropbox link for JRE-9 107.. i tried as well 116 but didnt seem to make any difference.. has anyone found this as well?
https://www.dropbox.com/s/c6fymxyhyvcbi97/jre-9-ea%2B107_windows-x64_bin.exe?dl=0
i so far found 112 to be best. has anyone found a better one. man sometimes benching is frustrating. i was benching 6100 at 6.5ghz last night but couldnt beat #1 score. has anyone found better than 112. i tested a bunch last night
I did a test today still with 107 to see if i could break 8,000 which i did.. will try 112 and let you know Strong how it goes.. wow, 6.5 I3, nice
I've found that JRE 118 is better, will test it later.
Hello friends
which one is better?
Download link for jre9 118 please?
here try this from my google drive or get the newest download and just change the link address to 118 and it will still be available.
https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B-E2IRjLOeFwZ1J6TndfOExQQWM
Thank you, Sir:)!
you have 118 32bts ?? PLEASE
here you go, if doesnt work with my drive then let me know, was bored at work and downloaded every one.
https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B-E2IRjLOeFwMTZZTHYxTG5Vdm8
THANK YOU FOR SHARING
Thank you guys ! I will test that soon
Edit: With this version of Java, we can't save the validation file ??
I should have listened to this. But I only had trouble with 122. I was testing a few different versions last night and I got such a sick score with 122, 8300 with 6700k, I got so excited but then I couldnt save the file. I was so mad.
Yes, i testing JRE 118 cant save score too, i dont know why.
Well, it can work.. theres some libaries missing/inaccessible in the newer java 9 builds. You need JAXB and JAF to be able to save datafiles. For java 9 compatibility hwbot prime needs an update unless you want to use external libraries and run from command line.
@Massman is it allowed to use these external libraries to bench or are we gona have to wait for an update of hwbot prime?
these libraries are in all previous java builds, so i don't think there are any problems with adding them.
Any guide how to do it? Maybe i can do testing, as for now i stuck on JRE9 112 which is last version that support saving.
I agree with you
i was saving scores fine with 118, 122 is the one i noticed so far for me
@Strong Island thats really weird, because my 118 can't saving score. I try it on Windows 10 & 7
tl:dr https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/45025086/hwbot/HWBotPrimeFor9.zip, extract and double click run.cmd
get activation.jar out of JAF 1.1 from Java Archive Downloads - Java Platform Technologies
get jaxb .jars from lib folder, downloaded from https://jaxb.java.net/2.2.11/
place jars in same folder (need hwbotprime-0.8.3.jar, activation.jar, jabx-api.jar, jaxb-core.jar, jaxb-impl.jar)
create file run.cmd or run.bat with contents:
start javaw -cp .\* org.hwbot.bench.BootStrap
double click run
if you still can't save datafiles, replace javaw with java to see the errors
Spiedie, when i try run.cmd i get error: could not find java.dll and than Could not find Java SE Runtime Environment.
ya that is weird, I did it with 118 and win 10 64bit
You my hero, worked really well. Thank You very much!
Put it in bin on Java folder
Now it worked with that trick
Hello, I carefully read this post on JRE9-xxx,
And that my given an idea, appearing great advantage of JRE9 version, ie the version 105 to the 131 (the latest available), with my condif H24.
All appear with lesi latest version of JRE8, JRE7 JRE6 and x64 versions.
You can find all the information on the test protocol and the config on the screenshot.
I would test the future of all its version with a Win7 x64, appearing order.
My config: CPU-Z VALIDATOR
(PS: sorry for my crappy English, but translated for me google that)
Wow, you do hard work, very nice, sure it will help other people. Did you try jre 6u18 x64? It seems best on my G3258, i havent tested jre newer than Java 8 on my haswell.
That's testing !
What is the difference between "save base" and "save-hwbfor9" ?
HWBot Prime for 9 is @Spiedie guide how to fix "broken" JRE 9 Saving Score function on ver 118 or above. You can see on post #68
The difference between basic and save-save-hwbfor9 is that some version takes no basis, the expected backup Hprime.
And I used HWBotPrimeFor9, created by Spiedie which corrects the backup problem.
I'll look to find this version.
And see what happens.
By cons here is a improved version of my test Hprime JRE9 with some info that seems utils.
(thank you google for translation)
Well here is the latest version of the test, with some more information.
- By cons is that the may have noticed is that the run 1 and run 2 are generally the lowest.
- The run-3, is not to keep,
- The run-4 is good about 5/25,
- The run-5 is good on 7/25
- The run-6 is good on 6/25
- The run-7 is good on 3/25
- The run-8 is good on 6/25
Therefore generally meulleurs scores are obtained on run 5 and run 6 run 8, as well as the run 4 and run 7.
By sometimes against both run on the same version we give the same scores. 2/25.
As for the version of 144 and 123.
Why? it is the right question.
Good evening, I started this afternoon, the test windows 7 x64 with the same version of JRE9 & co for win10 x64.
I also have a Windows XP Pro x64, so I may be also take the test, to see ....
The config rest InChanger only Win7 x64, everything is clean.
So I'll post the results soon.
and the Excel file, which allowed me to make the tables.
Trying JRE9 131 on Win7 x64, didn't try it on Windows 10 x64 yet, look good on efficiency.
speed.fastest`s HWBOT Prime score: 7230.73 pps with a Core i7 6700K
Thanks for the help!! Forwarded information to @richba5tard
FYI, HWBOT Prime code is shared on Github: https://github.com/frederikcolardyn/hwbotprime. If you have time or interest, you can always commit fixes to the benchmark
This will be picked up asap.
I was wondering how hard I need Windows 10 64b to give me the best possible scores.
I was testing Windows 7 64b and got 6688 max (here a screenshot of a lesser score):
I ran all scores after a complete bios reset, no optimizations in bios were made.
I ran 61xx, 6497, 6503, 6537, 6686,6686,6688, 6688, 6686 (in a row).
Edit: Since this score seems to in the middle of 4.8-5GHz runs I was wondering what Windows 10 can bring me.
Edit 2: Java 118 64b
Edit 3: Sparks.nl`s HWBOT Prime score: 6689.67 pps with a Core i7 6700K
I'm having issues with JDK 9 when trying to save the file, it simple does not save it.
Also the archive listed by user Spiedie is not available anymore.
I saw a huge gain from running hwbotprime with java 8 last version and with jdk 9 builds 107 and 118, jumped from 59xx to 62xx.
How can i solve this "not saving data file" problem? Do u guys still have the link for the files?
Thanks in advance
Try this version (link).
I don't seem to be able to upload it to HWBot, not even as a zip.
https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B4PgeLDyLowZZ1RfZVpfd05qdGs
Thanks a lot man, i've just downloaded it, will test later
It worked flawlessly
Thanks again man!
No problem
Hello,
Someone has an active link or save to share for JRE - 107 ?
many thanks
can't pm you so I am posting it here.
It should be this version
https://www.dropbox.com/s/53mgjdewkizwd3q/jre-9-ea%2B107_windows-x64_bin.exe?dl=0
Manteau thanks dude !
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