Important! Windows 8/8.1/10 Allowed on Skylake + Clarification on Engineering Hardware

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Message from the Head of Moderation, Christian Ney

After confirming our test data, the Windows 8/8.1/10 and Windows Server equivalents are now allowed for Skylake platforms. The General Rules and individual Benchmark Validation Regulations pages are in the process of being updated to reflect this new ruling.

In addition to the new rule, we have also updated the General Rules with a clear diagram detailing the use of Windows 8/8.1/10 and Server equivalents as well as the use of Engineering hardware. To re-iterate:

Current Gen ES is allowed only for Elite, or in case of disabled points. Old Gen ES is allowed for everyone. Unreleased Hardware is allowed only for Elite, or in case of disabled points. Unless explicitly stated otherwise, unreleased hardware and engineering sample hardware is not allowed for competitions. Be sure to check the competition rules for more information.

Windows 8/8.1/10 and Server equivalents is allowed for Skylake and all desktops and laptops without base clock tuning capabilities. Win 8/8.1/10 is allowed for CPU-Z benchmarks, XTU, GPUPI, HWBOT X265 Benchmark, and 3DMark(*). Win 8/8.1/10 is not allowed for the benchmarks not excluded by the above rules

For more information, please refer to the General Rules. If you have any questions, feedback or concerns, feel free to get in touch with our Staff and Volunteers.


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Belgium Massman says:



United States xxbassplayerxx says:

As mentioned elsewhere, any idea on AMD?

Christian Ney says:

xxbassplayerxx said: As mentioned elsewhere, any idea on AMD?


AMD and older platforms still affected.

United States steponz says:

Can you please list desktops with and without bus clock tuning abilities. New users will be extremely confused. Probably best to list chipset and architecture.

Puerto Rico MrPaco says:

steponz said: Can you please list desktops with and without bus clock tuning abilities. New users will be extremely confused. Probably best to list chipset and architecture.
I maybe wrong but it basically means those OS's are allowed to be used on any motherboard and laptop that you CANNOT overclock with the FSB. That would be most but not all OEM (HP, DELL, etc) motherboards and non-overclockable laptops. Would be very difficult to put up such a list as there are thousands of boards, both tested and not tested for overclock-ability. Thats my understanding.

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I suppose that the Pentagon has less confusing internal rules.

Moderators here must double their working hours and salary.

And we must find a less confusing hobby.

Christian Ney says:

How is it confusing?

Skylake: Allowed

Others:
Can overclock => Not allowed (unless its cpuz, gpupi, xtu and 3dmark with met requirements)
Can't overclock => allowed

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Christian Ney said: How is it confusing? Skylake: Allowed Others: Can overclock => Not allowed (unless its cpuz, gpupi, xtu and 3dmark with met requirements) Can't overclock => allowed
Chris, Please do not misunderstand me. If the used platform was Linux and not Windows, there would not be any kind of issue. Benchmarks are based on Windows platform. Windows have a ton of glitches, and each version has different problems. Trying to counter fight all this crap, HWBOT is doing a marvelous job of controlling these glitches and setting rules so that the game is fair for everyone. Thing is that as Joe ( Steponz ) and Mr.Paco correctly pointed out, amateur users will have a hard time understanding the PRINCIPLE behind all this effort, because it is not quite familiar to all how Benchmarks are affected by Windows problems. That is all. Nothing confusing to me personally. But I believe that many would be a lot happier if things were simpler. My best, George:)

Christian Ney says:

Ha okay got it :p Yeah, same here :( blame Microsoft.

Belgium leeghoofd says:

I think it might a better idea to just formulate that Skylake is the only platform to be used for 2D/3D benches with the new OSses. Maybe reverse the rules and tell what is allowed rather than inform what is not.

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Leeghoofd said: I think it might a better idea to just formulate that Skylake is the only platform to be used for 2D/3D benches with the new OSses. Maybe reverse the rules and tell what is allowed rather than inform what is not.
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Canada Vinster says:

Leeghoofd said: I think it might a better idea to just formulate that Skylake is the only platform to be used for 2D/3D benches with the new OSses. Maybe reverse the rules and tell what is allowed rather than inform what is not.


I'm with ^, might be a shorter list...

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United States xxbassplayerxx says:

Perhaps present that as the general rule but also have a sidebar saying if you really want to run 2D/3D on W8 and other chips, these are the detailed rules. Easier isn't always better, especially when it can bar perfectly legitimate scores.

United Kingdom TheMadDutchDude says:

I have a question. A team member of ours has reported this score a few times, but it has never been removed. It is to my understanding that ALL submissions MUST have Sys Info running and not have the 'timer is off' message present. http://hwbot.org/submission/3017892_bullshooter_3dmark05_2x_geforce_gtx_580_73707_marks Why is this score still online? (Sorry to make an example of you, Bull).

Christian Ney says:

Because it was made on Skylake

United Kingdom TheMadDutchDude says:

Ah, right, I see!! My apologies. There is a typo in the picture. I'm not sure what a 'systme' is. ;) :D

Christian Ney says:

Thanks, will fix.

Canada Trouffman says:

It would be really good to have a little soft that trigger the latest updated Rules and give a green light or not to see if the system is complying with the rules. (then this could be then run by anyone and that would fetch the system) and have the list of step to do to be compliant.

Would not solve the issue, but maybe make it a bit easier for new comers.

Cavemanthe0ne says:

What category is the new Realbench under? (For windows 10/8 RTC bug)

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