Pepinorang (MSI) Publishes Z170A XPower Gaming TE LN2 OC Guide (+ support thread)

Pepinorang, one of MSI's two in-house overclockers, recently published an extreme overclocking guide for the new Z170A XPower Gaming TE motherboard. The guide is the kick off for the overclocking support thread in our forums.

In the forum thread you can find interesting downloads as well. For example, you'll find the latest version of the Core Center Lite and Core Center Lite Memory light-weight overclocking tools. You can also find a link to the latest test BIOS, which according to Pepinorang is currently the best pick for extreme overclockers. In the LN2 OC Guide, we find more information on the extreme overclocking features of the motherboard, an insulation guide, and tips'n'tricks for overclocking Hynix MFR memory kits.

Check out the thread on the forum for more information and details!


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France pepinorang says:

[center]I'd like to introduce to you the MSI Z170A XPOWER GAMING Titanium Edition :

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For more details you can check MSI's exclusives features here: Z170A XPOWER GAMING TE Product Page

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[center]OC GUIDE[/center]

Z170A XPOWER GAMING TE - Ln2 OC GUIDE v1.5

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[center]SOFTWARE[/center]

Command Center Lite 2.0.0.11

Command Center Lite 1.2.0.2 [highlight](ONLY for HOT BIOS)[/highlight]

Command Center Lite Memory v1.0.0.15

MSI GAMING CPU-Z v1.76

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[center]BIOS[/center]

Latest OFFICIAL/BETA BIOS:

From older (top) to newer (bottom)
Z170A XPOWER GAMING TE - OFFICIAL BIOS 160
Z170A XPOWER GAMING TE - BETA BIOS 173

[highlight]***TUTORIAL VIDEO: HOW-TO Flash BIOS with M-Flash***[/highlight]

Latest XOC BIOS:

Z170A XPOWER GAMING TE - G.SKILL OC BIOS [highlight](This XOC BIOS can only be flashed with this tool)[/highlight]

[highlight]***WARNING : XOC BIOS ARE TEST VERSIONS THAT MIGHT CONTAIN SOME MINOR BUGS.
HOWEVER THEY ARE OPERATIONAL AND MIGHT ALSO IMPROVE OC/COMPATIBILITY, SO USE THOSE BIOS AT YOUR OWN RISK, MSI CANNOT BE HELD RESPONSIBLE!***[/highlight]

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[center]MEMORY OC RESULTS[/center]

Samsung B-Die

3866 CL12-12-12-28-220-1T XTU Aircooled:



Samsung E-Die

3600 CL11-18-18-28-320-1T MEMTEST Aircooled:


3866 XMP CL18-22-22-42-503-2T 4 DIMM MEMTEST Aircooled: [img]https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/VO14S9-9dR1QEXBUgqd1KG3Cqia5Dk4Orjlw_tqYRDyoYxRcg_CLV7hQdVF0_Oeg8KfmnvD550ubV5rcxjrwB7gC8m1uxt_z4KiUsp17MXERk4SFlM3fRaDL_NY6EA2SeoInNX3RmA86RQWzLWV87t_ZV07EtmB4w530yZxl1YMN3ztqd6Qwycs3ijxt8ZlglVJod-5QKbe0fjlqKVKyjNikBVSH4r9bwBbTIiBSJH_-BIALOr19y1JgGuQRyh43nCzL4g7twzEkQ14QkOvyn0nx6R4uIE0WoDH11gXBCFusvLFUf1lRQEgPSRveM_ibmFohXV1p3jPcbuAe6U4vBpafAmAn1vi9KNopUwz05Mz2ktZQQTeNsKWCcuTjnefnvRVNs56tJtyzYHAKYzwjT0hTdjPSb_IfoCcNN_Tw0Cb6guV1P5FqJQsQHIRo3Vj6zofOCiGEtiSvyxnNxTwvcqM7KL_wGycQEdOv8Aypp-LJgIW0IfNIXm0UldwpkMv2Z8_3n5KDcC4gomwP1op3npy62X2-4R_DyFnlQij_jts=w1161-h653-no[/img]

4000 XMP CL19-23-23-45-730-2T MEMTEST Aircooled:


4000 CL12-18-18-28-320-1T XTU Aircooled:



Samsung D-Die

3600 CL13-18-18-28-300-1T 32M Aircooled:


Hynix MFR

3746 CL10-15-15-28-278-1T XTU Ln2:


Hynix AFR

3600 CL12-17-17-28-300-1T 32M Aircooled: [img]https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/JSF0hetXozTEbEXqKZGae7qqYTgnYspGbXqs3VW9jdArvanwiqGqdtOKZyRi5vAC_CRBTsaHcsD1t7BgZKuGC7GtTdD_QTEoCUkYkmkmYLMQsWK_ahF1cKgL3RgHQZ-hdAoo4Gqj4djuXxPwEJb41ayacgD7bA2ar3t0LrhG9j9S1CcX0AHb77Rnziu4O4lHEZ4laEEzUbbdWg8LWBb7nVq4DIzK1Ju82HTaIwP8Ai2EWbRGqBlamEF32ZCHa3NpATJDRZLKnwcgHVPi5VbLVHsAwG44Y8yq2wzIHtAgxrc6tBZj_uUweY4oUXP3tzZZpnxBa9Wb4esLGzjrh7hHPV78FHOrd31iGPi-gFmg8fVYdz3m05OdLKfK-SLdNpDSMwjF9uQ_6sJl_9OmSAw2-GE8uDxyNnacH3j-jxNc5PHcsViJ_6hZy02YFAzZiQIjSVdLQWGm5CdzVDvLTFSXMh6S3UPD6ZJ1dIYtV4ey_zz2fswM3vFAQgqvXYNcXD6kI4_EfRoHUDRmbMf2WV5ERT1Qy1YuYpCIfotUgjLUXPI=w1619-h921-no[/img]

3800 CL13-17-17-28-310-1T XTU Aircooled:


3962 CL11-16-16-28-278-1T XTU Ln2:



Thanks to Sam OCX, Strategosan, Toppc, Pt1t and Xtreme Addict for their screenshots.
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I will regularly update the Ln2 OC Guide and this support thread with latest BIOS and utility as well as XOC results so stay tuned! :)

Romania Bruno says:

Can't wait to put my hands on it! Thank you!

Romania Bruno says:

The LN2 OC guide links to command center. FPT link is disabled: "https://goo.gl/GJGlXD – this goo.gl shortlink has been disabled. It was found to be violating our Terms of Service. Do not use goo.gl for urls that are either executable/package files (like .apk, .dmg, .exe, .zip, etc.) or that contain only IP addresses, or for shortening url re-directors (either off goo.gl or via other url shortening services)."

France pepinorang says:

Bruno said: The LN2 OC guide links to command center. FPT link is disabled: "https://goo.gl/GJGlXD – this goo.gl shortlink has been disabled. It was found to be violating our Terms of Service. Do not use goo.gl for urls that are either executable/package files (like .apk, .dmg, .exe, .zip, etc.) or that contain only IP addresses, or for shortening url re-directors (either off goo.gl or via other url shortening services)."
Sorry, I'm tired :( both are fixed now, thanks! ;)

Romania Bruno says:

It's ok now. Thx.

South Africa DrWeez says:

intresting read thanks

Germany der8auer says:

Good work!

Sweden Rauf says:

Perfect timing! Will bench my first session with this board tomorrow :) Thank you for the guide. Such guides are invaluable!

France pepinorang says:

Rauf said: Perfect timing! Will bench my first session with this board tomorrow :) Thank you for the guide. Such guides are invaluable!
I got board quite late so it took me some time to release it and it's not totally finished yet, I will update it as fast as possible. Basic primary timings for Samsung IC probably tomorrow. :)

United States xxbassplayerxx says:

Nice OC guide :D

France pepinorang says:

Updated to v1.1 already :D Found a typo and modified CPU ST/ST V6 voltages part to add clarification about PLL OC. Link is the same, so if you were reading it just press F5 ;)

United States Strong Island says:

awesome guide, nice info.

zeropluszero says:

Very comprehensive! thanks!

Indonesia Hazzan says:

pepinorang said: Updated to v1.1 already :D
Found a typo and modified CPU ST/ST V6 voltages part to add clarification about PLL OC.
Link is the same, so if you were reading it just press F5 ;)


keep it good work mate..

France pepinorang says:

Thanks mate! v1.2 with Samsung IC basic primaries is done, need to upload it but now it's time for Friday night party! :D

Poland Xtreme Addict says:

Good job :)

Germany aerotracks says:

Nice thread, thank you!

United States Random says:

Awesome guide. Can't wait for the rest of my chips to show up

France pepinorang says:

OC Guide updated to v1.2. Updated Hynix MFR timings (good for up to 3466) and added Samsung ones. :)

France pepinorang says:

Latest Official BIOS updated in first page (121). :)

United Kingdom Doug2507 says:

Great guide, can't wait to get my board tomorrow and get it ready to be frozen!

United Kingdom Doug2507 says:

Pepiinorang, are you soldering onto the ST/ST V6 read points before coating the board for cold?

France pepinorang says:

Doug2507 said: Pepiinorang, are you soldering onto the ST/ST V6 read points before coating the board for cold?
I use Vaseline ;) You could do it if you wish but I never needed much on ES CPUs and values set in BIOS are correct (just remind it show 0.25v lower in Command Center Lite). I can do 6.3G Cinebench R15 on my best two 6700K with CPU ST/ST V6 Auto and ln2 mode on (1.25v). I tried up to 1.8v but it didn't do any difference above 1.32v.

United Kingdom Doug2507 says:

Cool cool, i'll leave as is. :) (LET for me)

United States Random says:

How do I install xp/tiny xp I keep getting a bsod about bios not being acpi compliant

TaPaKaH says:

You need to press F5 right after windows setup loads for the first time (the bit before formatting drives) and select MPS Multiprocessor mode.

United States Random says:

Cant get to formatting drives, got there once then i couldnt select drive. Then I powered down put in usb2.0 pcie card and then i just kept getting errors when selecting which version of tiny xp. Then more issues.
Have gotten to select processor mps multi than ran into error.
Tried putting into ide. Still got bsod took off ide and getting 00000007b again....

Tried swapping sata ports.... still bsod... after is says.. starting windows...

France pepinorang says:

Random said: Cant get to formatting drives, got there once then i couldnt select drive. Then I powered down put in usb2.0 pcie card and then i just kept getting errors when selecting which version of tiny xp. Then more issues. Have gotten to select processor mps multi than ran into error. Tried putting into ide. Still got bsod took off ide and getting 00000007b again.... Tried swapping sata ports.... still bsod... after is says.. starting windows...
I would just forgot about it. BIOS is not ACPI so you need to use MPS Multiprocessor as Sam said but it only support 4 threads and has poor performance...

United States Random says:

Yeah doing mps multi everytime. It bsods after it says setup is starting windows.

32m only uses 1core!

Do i have win 7 mode on or off? Ide or achi, and if i use my usb2.0 card what sata port does the diskdrive and hard drive need to be in?
How do I turn on PS/2 also? I tried to use a usb to ps/2 incase I could get back to picking what partition but it doesnt respond


Anyways, if I have to hold off on xp. Is 7 or 10 better for xtu?

France pepinorang says:

Random said: Yeah doing mps multi everytime. It bsods after it says setup is starting windows. 32m only uses 1core! Do i have win 7 mode on or off? Ide or achi, and if i use my usb2.0 card what sata port does the diskdrive and hard drive need to be in? How do I turn on PS/2 also? I tried to use a usb to ps/2 incase I could get back to picking what partition but it doesnt respond Anyways, if I have to hold off on xp. Is 7 or 10 better for xtu?
Yes but I think perf is still bunnyextraction with MPS Multiprocessor, [MENTION=17450]Sam OCX[/MENTION] correct me if I'm wrong. Sam has better knowledge than me on MSI Z170 + XP, I really didn't bother. We need ACPI compliant BIOS but I doubt it will ever happen on MSI due to manpower resources. EDIT: Win10 is better for XTU. For Win XP, you need to use ASMEDIA SATA ports (7/8) with IDE mode enabled and integrate drivers in your ISO. Win7 Installation option will enable PS/2 emulation for USB ports, so if you use USB keyboard to install Win7 or XP you will need this. When this option is enable PS/2 port and USB storage will not work.

France pepinorang says:

Updated first page with some memory results, check it! :)

Sweden Rauf says:

Wow, great mem results! But awful lot of voltage for some of the aircooled tests. 1.92V aircooled? Doesn't it risk instant kill? I think I have both E- and D-samsung. Will have to try.

France pepinorang says:

Rauf said: Wow, great mem results! But awful lot of voltage for some of the aircooled tests. 1.92V aircooled? Doesn't it risk instant kill? I think I have both E- and D-samsung. Will have to try.
So far kit handled it like a champ! If you are afraid thought, lower cas will need less voltage ;) See below screenshots. [MENTION=17450]Sam OCX[/MENTION] said 1800 CL10 Aircooled should be even possible if BIOS had more than 2.2v which I'll make happen soon :P 1800 CL15 1.39v:
1800 CL14 1.47v:
1800 CL13 1.57v:
1800 CL12 1.73v:

Romania Alex@ro says:

Tcwl 9 possible?

United Kingdom Doug2507 says:

Noticed my bclk is 100.3 every time i boot from bios, everyone have the same? Can't get it at 100.0 unless change in cmdc.

France pepinorang says:

Doug2507 said: Noticed my bclk is 100.3 every time i boot from bios, everyone have the same? Can't get it at 100.0 unless change in cmdc.
Yep everyone the same, before you ask it is clockgen doing its stuff, not related to BIOS. ;)

United States l0ud_sil3nc3 says:

pepinorang said: So far kit handled it like a champ!
If you are afraid thought, lower cas will need less voltage ;) See below screenshots.
[MENTION=17450]Sam OCX[/MENTION] said 1800 CL10 Aircooled should be even possible if BIOS had more than 2.2v which I'll make happen soon :P


Why is 3600 c13 faster than 3600 c12?

TaPaKaH says:

Because result reliability of XP is crap with newer platforms (Skylake especially). I can run same settings 5 times in a row with/without in-between rebooting and get results that are 4+ seconds apart.

TaPaKaH says:

Alex@ro said: Tcwl 9 possible?
Yes.





Can even do an HCI Memtest at DDR4-3600 CL11 :)




CL10 boots but 2.20V is not enough.


United Kingdom Doug2507 says:

3600c11 Ripjaws. 1.87v. Didn't try trimming vDIMM, 1st two sticks out of the pack, not tested each stick individually.


France Strat says:

This is insane !! Retail AFR ??

United Kingdom Doug2507 says:

Sammy, although not taken the spreaders off yet.

France Strat says:

Samsung with that low cas is amazing

United Kingdom TheMadDutchDude says:

I need me some of them!! :D

Australia Bullant says:

Doug2507 said: 3600c11 Ripjaws. 1.87v. Didn't try trimming vDIMM, 1st two sticks out of the pack, not tested each stick individually.




Nice,Can't see all timings on my phone but cl11 3600 air! I would like to get some of these memory's!

Nice thread btw

Romania Bruno says:

Ripjaws 3200C12 @ 1.7V

United States xxbassplayerxx says:

That much voltage necessary? Or just "safe"?

Sweden Rauf says:

Team Xtreem 3866:
3600C11 possible at 1.9+V, but not 32M-stable
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3600C12 32M at 1.80V
[IMG]https://pb380-my.sharepoint.com/personal/t_bergstrom_pb380_onmicrosoft_com/_layouts/15/guestaccess.aspx?guestaccesstoken=3bXSDxyVgiesUli4mDeLNj2XiQKCsgnl%2fL8nXKYjrj4%3d&docid=059483a39997743a8b661934b68c240c4[/IMG]

United Kingdom Doug2507 says:

I didn't need as much as i did, not had time to check for minimum. did 3600c12@1.73 but that voltage was just pulled from the front page. 1.87 for c11 was just a shot in the dark. (also benched both CB when at c12) tried c10 up to 2v, no joy, same with 11-17-17. got a dual kit coming end of week and also a dual 3600c17 actual voltage at 1.9v set in bios reads 1.906 on MM for me. Rauf -- why PLL OC @ 1.5v?

Romania Bruno says:

xxbassplayerxx said: That much voltage necessary? Or just "safe"?


Both.

Sweden Rauf says:

Doug2507 said:
Rauf -- why PLL OC @ 1.5v?

Lazy :) Auto volts on everything but Vcore, Vdimm, SA and IO.

France pepinorang says:

Rauf said: Lazy :) Auto volts on everything but Vcore, Vdimm, SA and IO.
AUTO with Ln2 mode ON then. PLL OC stock is 1v if I remind correctly. Anyway this voltage only helps CB no need to push it otherwise, it won't do anything else for OC. :-D

United Kingdom Doug2507 says:

Lol. Cheers pepi, think I've got mine at 1.2v which must have come from the air profile in the guide.

Sweden Rauf says:

pepinorang said: AUTO with Ln2 mode ON then.
PLL OC stock is 1v if I remind correctly. Anyway this voltage only helps CB no need to push it otherwise, it won't do anything else for OC. :-D

Actual volts were 1.2. Misread because of T.0P version of Command center on non-T.0P bios.

Actually made 3600C11 TCWL9 now, 1.95V though:
[IMG]https://pb380-my.sharepoint.com/personal/t_bergstrom_pb380_onmicrosoft_com/_layouts/15/guestaccess.aspx?guestaccesstoken=zi34PxLC2HyMtaY2Y9Gtn5cHGwAlWQdM%2f9bhCuEg3%2bU%3d&docid=0a3a393e6bfcd4b6bbbf4c5c0a935b83b[/IMG]

United Kingdom Doug2507 says:

Pepi, could you explain where ST volts come into the equation? Totally unfamiliar with the term ST.

United Kingdom Doug2507 says:

Don't want to turn this into a mem thread but just a FYI with regards to RJ's 3466 vs 3600 for those wondering... Tested 8 sticks of mem today (3466 quad kit, 3466 dual, 3600 dual), two of which used previously in the thread. They dropped from 1.87v to 1.86v. All other sticks were quite poor, one 1.87, one 1.92, the rest i gave up at 1.95. Decided to change to 2 sticks per run, stuck the 3600's in with only one stick capable of 1.87, the other was way above 1.9v. Run after run of 32M i could trim the vDIMM. Ended up with the below. Appears that these need a little break in period before settling. Sound plausible? I'll see how the other sticks do tonight. SA/IO volts not touched. (1.2v/1.15v) 1.9v on board = 1.906v on MM. Anyway, seems whichever kit is the cheapest is the sensible buy. :) The 3466's i've posted previously i've now got running at the below timings with 1.86v.

Sweden Rauf says:

Yes, my team 3866 have also improoved since first tests on high volts. Bedore they could not do even spi 1m, now they do 32m. Same volts, even tighter subtimings.

France pepinorang says:

Doug2507 said: Pepi, could you explain where ST volts come into the equation? Totally unfamiliar with the term ST.


On most ES CPUs that I tested, ST didn't made any difference from 1.25v to 1.8v but below gave higher CBB, that's why I recommended to use at least 1.25v in my guide.

However, I recently saw that some CPUs have a "wall" which CPU ST can help to lift once you push it.
For instance, Vivi's retail 6770K can do 6.3G Cinebench R15 but it needs +1.4v ST to clock higher than 5.9G and we tried all voltages one by one; nothing else helped.
Same thing with the now dead ES chip we used yesterday, it couldn't even idle at 6.4G with 1.25v and would crash straight when applying ratio in OS, but with 1.65v ST it ran 6.42G Cinebench R15 (we didn't try values in between, lower would probably have been OK as well).

That being said, you really have to test all voltages one by one for every chip to see if it helps, as it seems all Skylake CPUs need totally different voltages from one to another.

As stated in the voltage table of the guide, ST V6 needs to be set from 300mv less to same than ST as these voltages are linked together.

United Kingdom Doug2507 says:

Cool cool, but what is it / what does it control? :D (off to google white paper)

Belgium Massman says:

Doug2507 said: Pepi, could you explain where ST volts come into the equation? Totally unfamiliar with the term ST.


Vst = CPU Standby Voltage.

I'm not sure what its function is, but it appear to be related to the CPU PLL (frequency generator) voltage. It would be nice to know exactly what it does though.

On some motherboards, the PLL termination voltage and standby voltage are separated. That is for example the case on the Maximus VIII boards (not the Hero). I'm not sure if it has any major practical effect to dial the voltages in separately as even in the ROG guide it's written: "Now try to keep a less than 450mv delta between PLL Termination voltage and CPU Standby Voltage. When using 1.50v PLL Termination you will probably want at least around 1.20v on CPU Standby Voltage. Easiest would be to synchronize these 2 rails."

France nvidiaforever2 says:

hi , it won t boot with 1T and 4 sticks with my ripjaws V 3466 c16 .
Any idea?
Thanks

United Kingdom Doug2507 says:

Ha, i'm going through exactly the same thing.....! Won't do 1t till down at 2800. Couldn't even tune quad till down at 3200 but for some bizarre reason it's now playing the game and now have 3600c11 quad passing max mem. Only thing i can think of is i'm now running a completely default bios and only changing SA/IO/vDIMM.

France pepinorang says:

Like I said to Doug, I will check this when I get back to Taipei (15 Oct) with our memory guru Toppc and ask for some Quad channel settings. It really shouldn't be a problem as quad channel memory QVL is 3733 with this board and I even saw memtest pass at 3866 quad on G.Skill TridentZ.

United Kingdom Doug2507 says:

I set bios to default, sa/io 1.2/1.15, vdimm to 1.65, set 3600 and primaries loose to 18/20/20/40/500, trefi circa 32k, all other timings auto then started moving primaries down. Now down to 11-18-18-28-300 @ 1.9v. Haven't had a chance to run 32m with this, only max mem but passed the above on 32m with cl13 @ 1.65v. (ball park vdimm, same with 1.9v for cl11 as i had dual at 1.86/87v) With xmp enabled for 3466c16 i pretty much couldn't change any timings till i dropped freq to 3200. Not tested bumping core/cache with the above yet. Will play about more later. Absolutely no chance of 1t right now but as pepi mentioned maybe an answer coming soon enough.

South Africa Vivi says:

my experience with this motherboard! 1 - works easy in the bios. 2 - memory clocking was simple, xmp loaded on 10+ boards we tested. gskill though (2x4gb and 2x8gb kits) 3 - ln2 was easy going, but there is one mod needed to remove some 00 issue. voltage breakdown:

Netherlands rsnubje says:

Used this board for almost 2 days of 8 hours straight with LN2. Only thing that went wrong is that now one of the memory slots doesn't do XMP or any high speeds anymore.

France pepinorang says:

rsnubje said: Used this board for almost 2 days of 8 hours straight with LN2. Only thing that went wrong is that now one of the memory slots doesn't do XMP or any high speeds anymore.
Look at your socket, it is probably bent by tightening pot too much or going too fast on cold down/heat up... :(

Netherlands rsnubje says:

Cpu was as straight as it could be though. Haven't noticed anything weird about the socket, but it's worth a shot.

France pepinorang says:

Vivi said: my experience with this motherboard! 1 - works easy in the bios. 2 - memory clocking was simple, xmp loaded on 10+ boards we tested. gskill though (2x4gb and 2x8gb kits) 3 - ln2 was easy going, but there is one mod needed to remove some 00 issue. voltage breakdown:
The voltage difference is as explained in my guide: -0.25v on CPU ST/ST V6 with Ln2 Mode ON in CCL, but fine in BIOS. We are working to fix this in next CCL version already. However IO reading on retail boards is perfectly fine, there's only a difference on some old ES boards like yours. ;) The 00 issue happen when you push CPU ST above 1.33v and shutdown board. I'll share the mod soon (really easy) but in the meantime you can bypass this by Power OFF PSU>Wait MB LEDs turn OFF > Power ON everything again and it will be gone. If you still have 00 it is either CBB or CPU ST too high for temp as explained in guide.

Sweden Rauf says:

Used this MB for a 6 hour session at -170 on my 6700K yesterday. It works really well! A couple of things I have noticed:

How the volts change the behavior of your CPU is really CPU dependent. It's not as easy as haswell, you will have to try all settings to see how your CPU reacts. ST-volts can make a huge difference on CB on some CPUs. Raising PLL volts might now work for some, but ST-volts will do the trick. For some ST-volts of 1.3V is enough, for one of mine it needed 1.6V to get below even -116.

Memory OC is really great on this board. Might contest the Asrock in this generation!

LN2 mode enabled in bios shuts of AES-instructions. You need these, at least for Geekbench or your score will hurt a lot.

My board is early retail, and does not have physical ln2 jumper. You don't actually need it though. It runs fine without it on LN2. Or you could solder, just connect two points.

For Samsung-E memory, you need at least 1.13 bios. The older T.0P won't run these mems well at all. Newer bios make them fly as you have seen in this thread!

One annoying thing however is that often after a bios flash the board enters a sort of mode where trying to reboot won't work 9/10 times. The errors are persistent and occur both at stock settings and under LN2. Both reboots after bios changes and reboot from windows gets stuck. You have to power off, reboot into bios because board reports failed boot, reboot again and it works most of the time. Sometimes it will take multiple tries to get successful boot. Sometimes a reflash of the bios will help cure this problem, but I'm hoping for a fix in upcoming bioses. I have seen this reported by another user so I'm not alone with this problem.

Netherlands rsnubje says:

Can confirm it works for either IO readout and the 00 trick with PSU.

France pepinorang says:

Rauf said: Used this MB for a 6 hour session at -170 on my 6700K yesterday. It works really well! A couple of things I have noticed:

How the volts change the behavior of your CPU is really CPU dependent. It's not as easy as haswell, you will have to try all settings to see how your CPU reacts. ST-volts can make a huge difference on CB on some CPUs. Raising PLL volts might now work for some, but ST-volts will do the trick. For some ST-volts of 1.3V is enough, for one of mine it needed 1.6V to get below even -116.

Memory OC is really great on this board. Might contest the Asrock in this generation!

LN2 mode enabled in bios shuts of AES-instructions. You need these, at least for Geekbench or your score will hurt a lot.

My board is early retail, and does not have physical ln2 jumper. You don't actually need it though. It runs fine without it on LN2. Or you could solder, just connect two points.

For Samsung-E memory, you need at least 1.13 bios. The older T.0P won't run these mems well at all. Newer bios make them fly as you have seen in this thread!

One annoying thing however is that often after a bios flash the board enters a sort of mode where trying to reboot won't work 9/10 times. The errors are persistent and occur both at stock settings and under LN2. Both reboots after bios changes and reboot from windows gets stuck. You have to power off, reboot into bios because board reports failed boot, reboot again and it works most of the time. Sometimes it will take multiple tries to get successful boot. Sometimes a reflash of the bios will help cure this problem, but I'm hoping for a fix in upcoming bioses. I have seen this reported by another user so I'm not alone with this problem.

EDIT: You DO need Ln2 jumper ON on many CPUs, it has been extensively tested and can greatly improve CBB and cold stability at boot.
However don't short points, use a switch or a jumper header if you can as I recently heard about retail CPUs that couldn't boot with Ln2 jumper ON under aircooling but are fine on cold, I will update guide soon.
Latest retail batchs have jumper header.

T.21 (based on 121) with all unlocked volts and tFAW working below 16 is coming (quickly succesfuly tried up to 12 with ViVi), just finishing some more test on it when I get back to Taipei and will post it here.

Not sure about the reboot issue, never had this @.@ but thanks for your feedback, will check!

United Kingdom Doug2507 says:

The board that keeps on giving... 3600@1.91v, 11-18-18-28-2t, tcwl 10. QUAD! Passed 32m, still tweaking. Will post a screen when the rest of the house is awake. :D Pepi, is DRAM or CPU SA Phase control going to have any impact on ram in quad? Both on auto now instead of disabled and seems to have lifted my quad curse.

France pepinorang says:

Doug2507 said: The board that keeps on giving...

3600@1.91v, 11-18-18-28-2t, tcwl 10. QUAD! Passed 32m, still tweaking. Will post a screen when the rest of the house is awake. :D

Pepi, is DRAM or CPU SA Phase control going to have any impact on ram in quad? Both on auto now instead of disabled and seems to have lifted my quad curse.

Probably, it usually helps with dual/single at high frequency (+4000), so it makes sense it could also helps with quad.

United Kingdom Doug2507 says:

Are you guys able to adjust core multi with oc board plugged directly into mobo?

Sweden Rauf says:

Doug2507 said: Are you guys able to adjust core multi with oc board plugged directly into mobo?

No, doesn't work. Says so in the guide as well.

United Kingdom Doug2507 says:

Superb, checked the manual but not the guide. Never got a cable with mine so waiting patiently for the post...

France pepinorang says:

Doug2507 said: Superb, checked the manual but not the guide. Never got a cable with mine so waiting patiently for the post...
If you didn't got cable you need to check with your reseller, it should be include in the bundle with any retail board.

Romania Bruno says:

Doug2507 said: Superb, checked the manual but not the guide. Never got a cable with mine so waiting patiently for the post...


You can use the HOTKEY function, it basically gives you the OC Dashboard on your keyboard.


United Kingdom Doug2507 says:

Yeah, Pepi, gave MSI uk a shout and a new ones in the post. Thanks Bruno, just dawned on me last night and put it to good use. Is the OC board a little quicker changing the clocks?

Romania Bruno says:

:D i haven't used the HOTKEY but i wouldn't think so.

United Kingdom Doug2507 says:

Hotkey is slow, well, from memory using ROC panel on z87/x79. Still good enough though. ;)

United States Random says:

Doug2507 said: Are you guys able to adjust core multi with oc board plugged directly into mobo?



I have done it. 52-53



That issue rebooting sounds like what i told the jumper is for

United States rtsurfer says:

Quick question, how much is the difference between BIOS DRAM voltage & DRAM Voltage measured from a proper quality DMM, on this board.

United Kingdom Doug2507 says:

At 1.9v BIOS I'm 1.906v on MM.

United States rtsurfer says:

Doug2507 said: At 1.9v BIOS I'm 1.906v on MM.
Thanks, so BIOS & real voltage is pretty much the same.

United Kingdom Doug2507 says:

Near enough but only way to confirm is with MM. ;)

Romania Bruno says:

1.72V in BIOS, 1.719V on MM.

United States Random says:

Anyone else have crucial ballistix 2400 16-16-16-39 1.2v sticks they can test? I just tried setting this board up with them and i had some terrible posting issues and the bios was not loading correctly.

Just want to make sure its the sticks and nothing else.
Swapped mfr in and its fine but that issue was after i had it turned off or in hibernate mode for a day

These sticks
http://imgur.com/ENUjaHa

United States xxbassplayerxx says:

Those Crucial sticks are Micron and are likely junk (in case you were wondering).

United States Random says:

i know they are junk but I had a clearance issue with a cooler and I don't plan On ocing this board for a while

United Kingdom Doug2507 says:

It would be a shame not to put that chip on cold asap. Should be cb 6.1 minimum!

United States Random says:

Since I suck I am not going to freeze the cpu with ln2. Probably just gonna sell it and loose money on it.

France pepinorang says:

Random said: Anyone else have crucial ballistix 2400 16-16-16-39 1.2v sticks they can test? I just tried setting this board up with them and i had some terrible posting issues and the bios was not loading correctly.

Just want to make sure its the sticks and nothing else.
Swapped mfr in and its fine but that issue was after i had it turned off or in hibernate mode for a day

These sticks
http://imgur.com/ENUjaHa


This kit is on the QVL list and has been validated up to 4 DIMM, so it isn't BIOS related:

http://msi.com/product/motherboard/support/Z170A-XPOWER-GAMING-TITANIUM-EDITION.html#support-mem



http://msi.com/product/motherboard/support/Z170A-XPOWER-GAMING-TITANIUM-EDITION.html#support-ocmem

United States Random says:

Well since i swapped in my hynix stick i havent had any issues.. not sure what else it could be.

France nvidiaforever2 says:

Hi , I tested 1 kit of 4x4 go ripjaws V 3466 mhz c16 on MSI z170A xpower and Asus m8 hero .
It boots with xmp profile and 1T on Asus board but not on the xpower .(need 2T)

France pepinorang says:

nvidiaforever2 said: Hi , I tested 1 kit of 4x4 go ripjaws V 3466 mhz c16 on MSI z170A xpower and Asus m8 hero .
It boots with xmp profile and 1T on Asus board but not on the xpower .(need 2T)


Already checking this since last reports from you guys, thanks for the feedback! :)

Greece george.kokovinis says:

nvidiaforever2 said: Hi , I tested 1 kit of 4x4 go ripjaws V 3466 mhz c16 on MSI z170A xpower and Asus m8 hero . It boots with xmp profile and 1T on Asus board but not on the xpower .(need 2T)
Same here. MSI Gaming M5, latest bios. 1) HyperX Predator 4x4, 3000 XMP Profile1, boot only with 2T, whatever VccSA, I/O and ram voltage applied. 2) G.Skill Ripjaws V, 2x4, 3600, boots only with 2T.

TaPaKaH says:

Try an older BIOS version. I guess they changed something in September/October, 1T doesn't work for me either with all the new Gaming M7 BIOS versions.

United Kingdom TheMadDutchDude says:

Did 1T work previously, Sam? I may give it a try on the TE I have here.

The Overclocking Knights says:

george.kokovinis said: Same here.
MSI Gaming M5, latest bios.

1) HyperX Predator 4x4, 3000 XMP Profile1, boot only with 2T, whatever
VccSA, I/O and ram voltage applied.
2) G.Skill Ripjaws V, 2x4, 3600, boots only with 2T.


M3/M5 have less PCB layers, so it will most likely not overclock as high than M7/M9/XPOWER.

Pepi.

Greece george.kokovinis says:

The Overclocking Knights said: M5 has less PCB layers, so it will most likely not OC as well than M7/M9/XPOWER.
Thank you very much.:)

France pepinorang says:

Updated thread with latest BIOS, Ln2 OC Guide v1.4, MSI GAMING CPU-Z v1.74 (new fonts colors, much clearer as requested by many ocers) and Command Center Lite version which now works with all BIOS. :) Lots of updates in OC Guide v1.4:
- Useful Info, BIOS and Utilities revised
- Ln2 Tips revised
- Ln2 Voltage Table revised
- CPU ST/ST V6 & PLL OC Voltages revised
- How To Max Out CPU revised
- How to move CB & CBB lower revised
- Added BONUS Part 2 with hardmod for CPU ST ;)

For now, I recommend to only use latest MP/BETA BIOS from this thread for XOC.
EDIT: New Test BIOS based on 141 will be released soon, only differences will be PLL/PLL OC/vDimm unlocked to hardware limit.
1T issue with 4 DIMM has been solved in BIOS 141.

It is strongly advised to not use JLN1 jumper/short/switch (left side of debug LED, near fan connector) as we recently learned it can cause POST issues on retail CPUs. Support for JLN1 jumper has been removed from BIOS updates after T0P, board won't POST anymore with JLN1 ON.

Greece george.kokovinis says:

Yesterday I updated my bios in my rather average Gaming M5.
Latest version 1.5
My issue with 2T on four sticks of HyperX -3000 IS SOLVED.
1T is easy now WITHOUT any additional voltage.
As a matter of fact I did rather easily 3200 - 13-15-15-28-1T with 1.62Volts
and 3200 - 12-15-15-28-1T with 1.72Volts.
SA at 1.35
I/O at 1.25

So, all is good now.

Thank you MSI :)

United Kingdom Doug2507 says:

Excellent! Out of curiosity, what's the explanation behind the xtu 2/4 stick phenomenon? I.e, msi needs quad and asrock for example only dual.

France pepinorang says:

Doug2507 said: Excellent!

Out of curiosity, what's the explanation behind the xtu 2/4 stick phenomenon? I.e, msi needs quad and asrock for example only dual.


MSI don't needs quad, neither ASUS.
Ask [MENTION=18017]Strat[/MENTION] which spent a lot of time on it and look at his topic for Hynix MFR here: http://forum.hwbot.org/showthread.php?t=144758
I don't see a lack of efficiency there :)

Also look this score from Hazzan on M8E: http://hwbot.org/submission/3022384_hazzan_xtu_core_i7_6700k_2101_marks vs this XTU score from Splave on OCF: http://hwbot.org/submission/3019044_splave_xtu_core_i7_6700k_2104_marks
3pts difference, same CPU frequency, both 2 DIMM.

The key is in the timings. ;)

France Strat says:

Yes I do agree, no need for quad at all, the key is in the timings.

France pepinorang says:

Uploaded new BIOS 141 for Z170A XPOWER GAMING TE on first page, tFAW is now unlocked. :)

United Kingdom Doug2507 says:

My bad then. Seems this quad thing on z170 is a miss guided perception then. I shall go investigate! :D

CL3P20 says:

Quad can still be faster for XTU.. but difficult to find 4x stick that can push good freq & timings together. *Certain timing can go tighter with 2x DIMM due to training differences.. this is helping efficiency. *Nice guide.

United Kingdom Doug2507 says:

The jump in score between 2 sticks and 4 for same timings is significant. (single sided) Had someone test on OCF (2/4) and no change in score at all. Edit: in fact they weren't even the same timings, quad wasn't as tight as dual and could only run 2t, still shafted dual score.

France Strat says:

Let me clarify... 4 dimm is better on ASRock, MSI and Asus but only on air. Go with 2 dimm on LN2 and you will see by yourself :)

Greece george.kokovinis says:

Although not directly relevant to Z170 Titanium edition, I would like to offer an update to my current setup of MSI Gaming M5 with four sticks of HyperX 3000 predator. After latest bios update, and after some work, I got fully stable under sustained workloads, 3200 - 12-15-15-28-280-1T with pretty tight seconds and thirds with only 1.64Volts ! ON AIR ! SA 1.35 I/O 1.25 Either I have an excellent ram kit ( I think Splave binned forty sticks to achieve the same settings ) or a very good board, or both. I really believe this is great performance from a 200$ board.

United Kingdom Doug2507 says:

Strat said: Let me clarify... 4 dimm is better on ASRock, MSI and Asus but only on air. Go with 2 dimm on LN2 and you will see by yourself :)


Get you on that. Why the fundamental 2/4 sick issue anyway though? Purely down to mobo design or programming?

United States xxbassplayerxx says:

Possibly due to bank interleave not existing in dual stick configurations but can be similated in 4-DIMM? Think back to how terrible single sided MFR was on pi with Haswell.

United Kingdom joshy Ocuk says:

the xtu phenomenon 2v4 dimm is to do with the memory trace topology connecting the cpu socket to memory slot, im not sure what the 2 types are called but basically on boards that scale with 4 dimm the memory slots are all connected then a bus goes to the cpu where as on boards that dont scale and perform better with 2 dimm each slot has its own bus to the cpu. its not as simple as just manufacturer for example asrock oc formula performs better with 2 where as the asrock extreme 7+ does scale with extra dimms

France pepinorang says:

joshy_Ocuk said: the xtu phenomenon 2v4 dimm is to do with the memory trace topology connecting the cpu socket to memory slot, im not sure what the 2 types are called but basically on boards that scale with 4 dimm the memory slots are all connected then a bus goes to the cpu where as on boards that dont scale and perform better with 2 dimm each slot has its own bus to the cpu. its not as simple as just manufacturer for example asrock oc formula performs better with 2 where as the asrock extreme 7+ does scale with extra dimms


What you are referring to is Daisy chain vs T-Topology.
However your description is not exact, both use two "bus" or memory signals.
In T-Topology:
- Signal X goes from CPU than split in 2 to supply channels A1/A2 equally.
- Signal Y goes from CPU than split in 2 to supply channels B1/B2 equally.

In Daisy chain:
- Signal X goes from CPU to channel A1 than to channel A2.
- Signal Y goes from CPU to channel B1 than to channel B2.

I could describe this better with paint but some people might not be happy with this...
Anyway, both designs have their advantages and disadvantages but to get back to XTU, the "others need 4 DIMM to match OCF" thing is a misconception. :)

Belgium Massman says:

Images by Raja (OCN)

France pepinorang says:

george.kokovinis said: Although not directly relevant to Z170 Titanium edition, I would like to offer an update to my current setup of MSI Gaming M5 with four sticks of HyperX 3000 predator.
After latest bios update, and after some work, I got fully stable under sustained workloads, 3200 - 12-15-15-28-280-1T with pretty tight seconds and thirds with only 1.64Volts !
ON AIR !
SA 1.35
I/O 1.25

Either I have an excellent ram kit ( I think Splave binned forty sticks to achieve
the same settings ) or a very good board, or both.

I really believe this is great performance from a 200$ board.


In fact a sub 200$ board, official MSRP is 189$ but you can find it even cheaper in the US. :D

France pepinorang says:

Massman said: Images by Raja (OCN)


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r-ylwaBlhOc :D

France Strat says:

Hahahaha

Czech Republic Aerou says:

Commandcenter Lite link is dead. Anybody have a working link or could end me the file? Thank you

France pepinorang says:

Aerou said: Commandcenter Lite link is dead. Anybody have a working link or could end me the file? Thank you


Fixed! Sorry, I did read your MP yesterday then did something else and forgot about it... :D

Czech Republic Aerou says:

pepinorang said: Fixed! Sorry, I did read your MP yesterday then did something else and forgot about it... :D


thanks!

France pepinorang says:

nvidiaforever2 said: Hi , I tested 1 kit of 4x4 go ripjaws V 3466 mhz c16 on MSI z170A xpower and Asus m8 hero .
It boots with xmp profile and 1T on Asus board but not on the xpower .(need 2T)


[MENTION=48648]nvidiaforever2[/MENTION] seems to me that the 1T 4 DIMM issue is fixed in BIOS 141 :)

4 DIMM 1T with manual primaries/All sub AUTO




[MENTION=38188]Doug2507[/MENTION] this is how much you can gain from fine tuning each timing:

2 DIMM with manual primaries/All sub AUTO



2 DIMM with almost all tight timings

France nvidiaforever2 says:

Thanks

Indonesia rhodie says:

if anyone need install XP on MSi Skylake, i make guide and you can download here https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B4_puoZw0ri9SVFJQjlpNHBLME0/
thanks Pepinorang and websmile for tips
weakness is NO HT support and USB not detect
so you must prepare your disk
i will fix soon usb issue

Sweden elmor says:

rhodie said: if anyone need install XP on MSi Skylake, i make guide and you can download here https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B4_puoZw0ri9SVFJQjlpNHBLME0/
thanks Pepinorang and websmile for tips
weakness is NO HT support and USB not detect
so you must prepare your disk
i will fix soon usb issue


Trying not to be pissed off about this, but you just directly copied our guide/files and made it your own. Why not just reference our original guide, there's no vendor limitation.

TaPaKaH says:

Actually, if you go as far as checking Floppy support with nLite, you might as well use nLite to inject the AHCI drivers so the only thing left to do will be selecting MPS Multiprocessor via F5/F6 prompt during install.

http://www.mediafire.com/download/dac25nmhi0qir4h/
Here is an XP where this has already been done.

France pepinorang says:

[MENTION=32382]rhodie[/MENTION] please remove or modify your guide according to Elmor's request. Anyway, I think it's time for me to make a proper guide to install XP on MSI. [MENTION=131]elmor[/MENTION] sorry for this mate.

Sweden elmor says:

Sam OCX said: Actually, if you go as far as checking Floppy support with nLite, you might as well use nLite to inject the AHCI drivers so the only thing left to do will be selecting MPS Multiprocessor via F5/F6 prompt during install.

http://www.mediafire.com/download/dac25nmhi0qir4h/
Here is an XP where this has already been done.


Yes this is the best solution if you create your own image, our plan was to provide a solution without having to modify your existing ISO. For Win 7 this was not possible unless you install through a custom Win PE.

BTW I don't think it's allowed to link this kind of image in the forum due to legal implications.

Indonesia rhodie says:

[MENTION=131]elmor[/MENTION] i'm sorry for that man, i just want share, maybe i forget to write reference
now, file already removed. Maybe pepi will make guide for xp :)

Sweden elmor says:

rhodie said: [MENTION=131]elmor[/MENTION] i'm sorry for that man, i just want share, maybe i forget to write reference
now, file already removed. Maybe pepi will make guide for xp :)


Thanks, if you improve it somehow a simple reference to original source would suffice.

France pepinorang says:

rhodie said: [MENTION=131]elmor[/MENTION] i'm sorry for that man, i just want share, maybe i forget to write reference
now, file already removed. Maybe pepi will make guide for xp :)


Maybe even better than a guide, I'll let you guys know soon. :)

Indonesia rhodie says:

i compare 4 dimm and 2 dimm, conclusion, i think no need for 4 dimm
here my test result, all test vdimm 2v, memory apacer 2800c17 4X4gb
2dimm bench spi


2dimm bench xtu


4dimm bench spi


4dimm bench xtu


2dimm if you can trust your hand, we no need 4 dimm, just push to the limit :D :D

Sweden Rauf says:

Rauf said:
One annoying thing however is that often after a bios flash the board enters a sort of mode where trying to reboot won't work 9/10 times. The errors are persistent and occur both at stock settings and under LN2. Both reboots after bios changes and reboot from windows gets stuck. You have to power off, reboot into bios because board reports failed boot, reboot again and it works most of the time. Sometimes it will take multiple tries to get successful boot. Sometimes a reflash of the bios will help cure this problem, but I'm hoping for a fix in upcoming bioses. I have seen this reported by another user so I'm not alone with this problem.


Bios 1.41 fixed the reboot issue. I can also confir that 4 dimm now work with 1T. Have also done some testing on 4 dimm vs 2 dimm and there is NO performance gain when pushing frequency and timings with both 2 dimm and 4 dimm.

However I have a problem with my board. It's probably just my board, and problem probably occurred during LN2. But it gets stuck with USB over current protection and shuts off after 15 seconds. I've tried to disconnect all USB devices of course but it doesn't help. Looked at the USB ports but they seem fine. Sometimes I can get the board to boot after resetting bios and powering on like 20 times. Then it works for a while, but after a few reboots it's there again. Is there any way to bypass this? Any way to hardmod it or something?

France pepinorang says:

Rauf said: Bios 1.41 fixed the reboot issue. I can also confir that 4 dimm now work with 1T. Have also done some testing on 4 dimm vs 2 dimm and there is NO performance gain when pushing frequency and timings with both 2 dimm and 4 dimm. However I have a problem with my board. It's probably just my board, and problem probably occurred during LN2. But it gets stuck with USB over current protection and shuts off after 15 seconds. I've tried to disconnect all USB devices of course but it doesn't help. Looked at the USB ports but they seem fine. Sometimes I can get the board to boot after resetting bios and powering on like 20 times. Then it works for a while, but after a few reboots it's there again. Is there any way to bypass this? Any way to hardmod it or something?
I saw that before on X99, probably some moisture somewhere. Hardmod won't help, Wizerty tried to remove all USB IC and it didn't help on X99A XPOWER AC. I think dRweEz told me that drying board in oven did help in its case. If not -> RMA

Czech Republic Aerou says:

Did this happen to anyone with this board? : I did a quick 30minute LN2 session on 6700K (just for an exhibition). Well insulated, nothing got frosty except for the pot, obviously. Warmed it up, deinsulated, cleaned. Tested with the same 6700K, all fine. Now I come home, pop in an i5 6400 CPU and it cannot reboot/reset. Straight from the poweron it shows "00" postcode, sometimes "30". I have to power off psu, let it discharge, switch PSU on again and then it boots fine. What the hell? I am very careful with hardware and I really cant recall doing anything that could cause this effect. The board seems fine in oter aspects / once it boots it passes all stability tests and all devices and peripherals work.

United States xxbassplayerxx says:

Sounds like it didn't fully clear the CMOS values.

Czech Republic Aerou says:

xxbassplayerxx said: Sounds like it didn't fully clear the CMOS values.


Dont think so. CMOS cleared right after LN2 session over. And about million frustrating times since then :P

I isolated it down to a CPU/motherboard combo. I have another i7 6700K to test and an Asus M8G.

For some reason i5 6400 + Z170 xpower cant reboot, stuck at 00 or 30.

But if I swap for an i7 6700K the same Z170 xpower reboots normally.
The i5 6400 that cant reboot on the xpower works fine and reboots on Asus M8G.

Sweden Rauf says:

Aerou said: Dont think so. CMOS cleared right after LN2 session over. And about million frustrating times since then :P

I isolated it down to a CPU/motherboard combo. I have another i7 6700K to test and an Asus M8G.

For some reason i5 6400 + Z170 xpower cant reboot, stuck at 00 or 30.

But if I swap for an i7 6700K the same Z170 xpower reboots normally.
The i5 6400 that cant reboot on the xpower works fine and reboots on Asus M8G.

I had reboot issues before as well. Bios 1.41 solved them for me on 6700Ks.

Czech Republic Aerou says:

Hmm. Guess I panicked too soon. Something was wrong with the BIOS. CMOS clear didnt help. But after reprogramming with the i7 6700K all works fine , even the i5 6400. BIOS 113 works, 120 works and 141 works. All is good now. Quite odd though. Maybe during components swapping, moving around , touching the MB etc., some electric charge got to the the BIOS chips and messed up some code, which caused it to derp with i5 but not i7 K?

Romania Bruno says:

141 solved the issue. The other 2 version may still act crazy though.

France pepinorang says:

Bruno said: 141 solved the issue. The other 2 version may still act crazy though.


Though, we did nothing special in 141 and could never reproduce this rebooting issue you guys seems to have with any BIOS or sample on hand yet.

Romania Bruno says:

I tried another 2 CPUs last week and 121 has the issue while 141 not. However, it's great that 1.41 works as it's the best BIOS for memory OC ;)

France pepinorang says:

Bruno said: I tried another 2 CPUs last week and 121 has the issue while 141 not. However, it's great that 1.41 works as it's the best BIOS for memory OC ;)


Never tried 121 only T21, 131, 134 and 141, that may be why then.

Romania Bruno says:

Probably so. I tried only 121 and 141. :)

France pepinorang says:

Bruno said: Probably so. I tried only 121 and 141. :)

Well, glad BIOS 141 solve that issue and improve memory OC as well :D

Romania Bruno says:

:D So am I.

France pepinorang says:

Updated first page with BIOS 143 for Z170A XPOWER GAMING TE. It improve memory compatibility and Loadline calibration.

Poland Xtreme Addict says:

First run cold :) MFR are still strong on that board! [img]https://scontent-frt3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xlf1/t31.0-8/12308095_984456301614705_8132080078325679183_o.jpg[/img] [img]https://scontent-frt3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xft1/t31.0-8/12309555_984456304948038_6565016504271517468_o.jpg[/img]

France pepinorang says:

First page updated with Command Center Lite Memory 1.0.0.14:
- Fix several reading bugs, I have quickly checked it, seems OK but please report here if you find any issues.

Long awaited XOC BIOS E7968IMS.HOT along with its specific Command Center Lite! :D
- HOT BIOS is based on MP BIOS 143, both BIOS will work the same with other ICs than AFR.
- You need FPT 1194 to flash this BIOS (see first page).
- ALL voltages fully unlocked for XOC.
- BIOS include new AIR EXTREME and LOW LN2 OC Profiles which preset CPU settings/voltages from Ln2 OC Guide along with other settings for XOC.
- BIOS has been fine tuned for Hynix AFR with new PCB (HOT Edition, will be provided by HyperX to contestants).
- Tested with XTU and AFR new PCB up to 1986MHz 11-16-16-28-300-1T with "loose tertiary timings" on Ln2 (1754pts @5Ghz Core/Ring and 3866 so far, I'll try more later).
- Tested with XTU and AFR new PCB up to 1900MHz 13-17-17-28-310-1T with "tight secondary timings" on air.
- If you use AFR with current PCB, maybe it needs some manual fine tune of the option "Memory layout finetune" in "Advanced DRAM settings".
Start from 1KHz and test up to 2.3KHz with +3733 and tight timings to see which one works the best (I had no time to do it yet, sorry).

United States xxbassplayerxx says:

pepinorang said: First page updated with Command Center Lite Memory 1.0.0.14:
- Fix several reading bugs, I have quickly checked it, seems OK but please report here if you find any issues.

Long awaited XOC BIOS E7968IMS.HOT along with its specific Command Center Lite! :D
- HOT BIOS is based on MP BIOS 143, both BIOS will work the same with other ICs than AFR.
- You need FPT 1194 to flash this BIOS (see first page).
- ALL voltages fully unlocked for XOC.
- BIOS include new AIR EXTREME and LOW LN2 OC Profiles which preset CPU settings/voltages from Ln2 OC Guide along with other settings for XOC.
- BIOS has been fine tuned for Hynix AFR with new PCB (HOT Edition, will be provided by HyperX to contestants).
- Tested with XTU and AFR new PCB up to 1986MHz 11-16-16-28-300-1T with "loose tertiary timings" on Ln2 (1754pts @5Ghz Core/Ring and 3866 so far, I'll try more later).
- Tested with XTU and AFR new PCB up to 1900MHz 13-17-17-28-310-1T with "tight secondary timings" on air.
- If you use AFR with current PCB, maybe it needs some manual fine tune of the option "Memory layout finetune" in "Advanced DRAM settings".
Start from 1KHz and test up to 2.3KHz with +3733 and tight timings to see which one works the best (I had no time to do it yet, sorry).


Some amazing work... any chance HOT AFR will be available retail? [MENTION=6093]marmott[/MENTION]?

France pepinorang says:

For AFR non HOT edition I narrowed "Memory Layout Finetune" settings. Up to 3766, best should be from AUTO (1.2KHz) to 1.8KHz. I will try higher on LN2 tomorrow to find out best value. :)

France marmott says:

"- You need FPT 1194 to flash this BIOS (see first page)."

France pepinorang says:

As I have been asked in PM, command for FPT is: fpt -f biosname I use DOS bootable dongle that I create with free tool "Rufus", but latest FPT versions should also work with Windows, though I never tried personally.

South Africa DrWeez says:

pepinorang said: As I have been asked in PM, command for FPT is:
fpt -f biosname
I use DOS bootable dongle that I create with free tool "Rufus", but latest FPT versions should also work with Windows, though I never tried personally.


I flashed in Windows yesterday works fine. just run cmd as administrator and power off once done.

Italy rsannino says:

Also for me is ok in Windows 32 bit. Need one clear cmos after flash .....

France pepinorang says:

After flashing HOT BIOS, check that your ME version is correctly displayed in system status. If you see 0.0.0.0, reflash using M-Flash it will recognize HOT BIOS after it has been flashed once with FPT. :)

United Kingdom Doug2507 says:

So when we getting a non k unlocked bios? :D

France pepinorang says:

Random said: I just wanna say. I dislike this way of doing the bios very much! I don't have spare usb stivcks laying around to sacrifice for just one tiny program. I have so many bios from various board on my usb sticks (ones I dont are OS installation) this is really excessive. I mean on asrock i just extract to usb stick and press f5 at the bios entry.... as of now I stil dont have it updated... i opened that program and I just get errors and it exits when I press something
Test BIOS for XOC have ALWAYS been this way and it will not change. There is nothing complicated to flash with FPT. If you don't like it, you don't use it and stick to MP/BETA BIOS. ;)

South Africa DrWeez says:

pepinorang said: Test BIOS for XOC have ALWAYS been this way and it will not change. There is nothing complicated to flash with FPT. If you don't like it, you don't use it and stick to MP/BETA BIOS. ;)


Or just do it from Windows!

Indonesia Hazzan says:

tested new bios seems good..AFR flying now

France pepinorang says:

Nice Hazzan!

United States Gunslinger says:

Fpt is not working for me in DOS :/

Italy rsannino says:

I have used win 8.1 32bit with cmd (administrator mode) and is OK!
You need to set correct path. See my screenshot, I hope help you!


Sorry for my english

The Overclocking Knights says:

Gunslinger said: Fpt is not working for me in DOS :/







[MENTION=4288]Gunslinger[/MENTION] fixed now?
If not could you try under Windows or create a different DOS bootable dongle with RUFUS?
Capital or lowercase does not matter at all.

United States l0ud_sil3nc3 says:

[MENTION=13099]Hazzan[/MENTION] is that MFR or AFR? TRCD 15 is killer either way :)

Indonesia Hazzan says:

l0ud_sil3nc3 said: [MENTION=13099]Hazzan[/MENTION] is that MFR or AFR?

TRCD 15 is killer either way :)


Thanks George yeahh AFR

United States Gunslinger says:

The Overclocking Knights said: [MENTION=4288]Gunslinger[/MENTION] fixed now?
If not could you try under Windows or create a different DOS bootable dongle with RUFUS?
Capital or lowercase does not matter at all.


Not fixed yet. :(

I tried in Windows also, no go.

This is the same drive I flashed the X99 XPower board with so I don't think that is the issue.

Italy rsannino says:

the problem is not driver or other, you not find fpt program and is strange, you can run "dir" and show me result please?

United States FUGGER says:

fpt has several windows version and dos in those directories, I used windows 64 on windows 10. I copied the bios file in the correct directory and then moved the directory to c:\ so that it was easy to get to.

I started cmd as administrator

Move to the directory with the cd command.

fpt -f biosxxx.hot -bios

This worked for me, I tried DOS and I tried using the power shell, those failed.

United States Random says:

Try taking the stuff out of folder? I got it to work with rufusing a usb and just dragging files out of dos folder and the extracted bios file onto it

United States Gunslinger says:

Splave walked me through it and I'm happy to say it's flashed now. :D

France pepinorang says:

People having issues with FPT are going to hate me, but I just updated HOT XOC BIOS v2 in first page! :D

It fix bug with tCWL cannot go below 19 and tWRRD_sg/tWRRD_dg cannot go below 30 above 3799.
EDIT: Also add some loose profiles for max frequency on HyperX AFR (I didn't try them yet).


United States Gunslinger says:

pepinorang said: People having issues with FPT are going to hate me, but I just updated HOT XOC BIOS v2 in first page! :D

It fix bug with tCWL cannot go below 19 and tWRRD_sg/tWRRD_dg cannot go below 30 above 3799.
EDIT: Also add some loose profiles for max frequency on HyperX AFR (I didn't try them yet).




you, you, you... :celebration:

United States Random says:

thank god I read this before I whiped that USB stick to try to make a xp install..

all my tinyXP disks are messed up when I try to use my z97 OCF and g3258 chip

and now that Tcwl is fixed maybe I can bin my e-die... so I can send last bit back for AFR

Germany aerotracks says:

I got my hands on the M5 board. It does quite well considering it only announces DDR4-3600 on the box :D
Some first results I made with E-Die, only rough touches on 3rds



XTU with loose RTL

United States Random says:

I'll try again. maybe with a different bios. since this is obviously hynix bias
actually a little harder on mfr than 1st hot bios but I guess it makes sense with non broken timings

I need to get some benching drives in order. my windows keys or ISOs are messed up

France pepinorang says:

Random said: I'll try again. maybe with a different bios. since this is obviously hynix bias
actually a little harder on mfr than 1st hot bios but I guess it makes sense with non broken timings

I need to get some benching drives in order. my windows keys or ISOs are messed up


The tCWL/tWRRD_sg/tWRRD_dg issue was affecting all ICs, not only Hynix.
However, it only happened from 3733x101.81 (3800) and above, under this it was perfectly fine so you couldn't encounter this on MFR. ;)

United States Random says:

hmm... I wonder why my on-the-fly c12 3100 @ 1.5, is reduced to 3000 with v2 then.... I just figured that the broken twcl made it loose enough to work at 3100 or 3200 on v1... wierd
maybe I tuned the wrong preset...

well I guess I will just try hot v2 bios for ambient e-die binning



Still some issues but its coming along much better
C12-20. 4000mhz is working now

Seems left slots suck for single stick binning on this board as well. I know its like that on asrock but as soon as i popped stick into dimm c it started going much better.
http://imgur.com/l2a1U3O
1.95v

France pepinorang says:

Random said: hmm... I wonder why my on-the-fly c12 3100 @ 1.5, is reduced to 3000 with v2 then.... I just figured that the broken twcl made it loose enough to work at 3100 or 3200 on v1... wierd
maybe I tuned the wrong preset...

well I guess I will just try hot v2 bios for ambient e-die binning



Still some issues but its coming along much better
C12-20. 4000mhz is working now

Seems left slots suck for single stick binning on this board as well. I know its like that on asrock but as soon as i popped stick into dimm c it started going much better.
http://imgur.com/l2a1U3O
1.95v



What kind of issues? If you never report we can never fix! ;)

United States Random says:

just really bad rtl d1 and times are kinda slow probably me though.. this was a miracle http://imgur.com/KQEC3pD (1.85v) http://imgur.com/0rcdetJ

United States Gunslinger says:

Random said: just really bad rtl d1 and times are kinda slow
probably me though..
this was a miracle http://imgur.com/KQEC3pD (1.85v)
http://imgur.com/0rcdetJ


Why are you running single channel?

United States Random says:

binning a good dual channel. when I tried to plug in my other stick I was binning to match I ended up getting bad problems
even single slot its failing a few loops in

only other real problem is auto vccio and vccsa go to 1.35 or 1.3v which I am pretty sure is super high

http://imgur.com/R7siQtD


my c19 4266 stick doesn't like this board forsome reason..

France pepinorang says:

New BIOS coming soon guys :D










France pepinorang says:

NON-K OC Test BIOS updated in first page :celebration: 1. BIOS is M-flash ready. 2. EIST, C-State and Turbo Boost feature are all DISABLED in this BIOS. 3. When doing BCLK OC with non-K CPU, CPU ratio can only go up to maximum CPU ratio (non-Turbo Boost ratio) and you can’t downgrade CPU ratio. 4. Please adjust CPU Vcore voltage manually.

United States Random says:

Awesome work

Poland barti27 says:

msi bios for Z170 gaming M7 will also be a non-k

Denmark zzolio says:

Any problems going over 120?

Belgium leeghoofd says:

zzolio said: Any problems going over 120?


120 is a Pepi limitation, not the board :D

France pepinorang says:

barti27 said: msi bios for Z170 gaming M7 will also be a non-k
Yes, at a later date. Only models with external clockgen can support it though, which means Z170A GAMING G45/M5/M7/M9/XPOWER.
zzolio said: Any problems going over 120?
Not at all.
Leeghoofd said: 120 is a Pepi limitation, not the board :D
More like R&D didn't bother to try much higher and I don't have any locked CPU around to try myself [emoji14]

France pepinorang says:

Just for Martin and Albrecht, only locked CPU I could find in my department, first try. 1,45v BIOS on CPU and safe timings on G.Skill Trident Z 3866, all aircooled, nothing complicated. :)

Russian Federation wzrd says:

How about H110 and B150 motherboard? Z170 are very expensive and not that interesting for o\c Pentium\Core i3.

France pepinorang says:

wzrd said: How about H110 and B150 motherboard? Z170 are very expensive and not that interesting for o\c Pentium\Core i3.
As far as I know NON-K CPU OC support on MSI motherboards is limited to the models I mentioned in the post above, for technical reasons explained above.

France pepinorang says:

Random said: binning a good dual channel. when I tried to plug in my other stick I was binning to match I ended up getting bad problems
even single slot its failing a few loops in

only other real problem is auto vccio and vccsa go to 1.35 or 1.3v which I am pretty sure is super high

http://imgur.com/R7siQtD


my c19 4266 stick doesn't like this board forsome reason..

It's not a problem, it's for compatibility and still within Intel specs. Above 3733 many CPUs need that much, if yours need less then just adjust it manualy.

4266 XMP is not supported and probably never be. As far as I know this kit is only supported by ASROCK Z170 OCF and mini ITX boards due to PCB trace layout.
All other boards regardless of manufacturer stop at G.Skill 3866/Corsair 4000. However, note that I didn't say you couldn't reach 4266 OC, Toppc actually did 4600 dual channel validation on XPOWER. ;)

United States Random says:

I see. Wasnt talking about xmp sadly. On my ocf i was doing c12 4000@ 1.84v now i cant get it to pass at all

France pepinorang says:

Random said: I see.

Wasnt talking about xmp sadly. On my ocf i was doing c12 4000@ 1.84v now i cant get it to pass at all
[MENTION=7841]BenchBros[/MENTION] did this some time ago, before tCWL/tWRRD_sg/tWRRD_dg were fixed... As far as I know its also ok with HOT v2.


Just got some long awaited E-Die (G.Skill Trident Z 3866), I will give it a try as well, but not before next year, it's vacation time now.

Germany BenchBros says:

Yes, same settings are now OK with tWCL 11 and tWRRD 22-22-6-6 (or smiliar, can't remember exactly) in HOT v2 BIOS. XTU Score was 1593 or sth like that :)
Have no screen on hand, its on my flash drive at home...

United States Random says:

Can you go tighter that or whats up?
Not even 21 or twcl 10?

Anyone use this board for b-die? I just got my hands on a stick and want to test it

Vietnam savumi says:

pepinorang said: NON-K OC Test BIOS updated in first page :celebration:

1. BIOS is M-flash ready.
2. EIST, C-State and Turbo Boost feature are all DISABLED in this BIOS.
3. When doing BCLK OC with non-K CPU, CPU ratio can only go up to maximum CPU ratio (non-Turbo Boost ratio) and you can’t downgrade CPU ratio.
4. Please adjust CPU Vcore voltage manually.


I just update bios and test non-k bios, but my board cant boot when adjust base clock. Boot loop and screen show text: reset default setting
System:
- Z170A Xpower
- CPU i7 6700
- Ram Ripjaws-X 4GB 2133
- VGA GT 630

Setting:
- Bios 1.44 non-k oc, flash by M-Flash.
- EIST, C-State, Turbo Boost all DISABLED
- CPU Ratio: 34 or Auto
- Ring Ratio: 34
- Base clock: 120, 105....
- Core Voltage: 1.3, 1.2, 1.25v ...
- Memory Voltage: Auto or 1.35v

Do you have any suggest for me ?








Vietnam savumi says:

Ahh, im re-flash bios 1.4T all done.

France pepinorang says:

pepinorang said: Yes, at a later date.
Only models with external clockgen can support it though, which means Z170A GAMING G45/M7/M9/XPOWER


Great news, MSI can now also support NON-K CPU OC on our motherboards without external clockgen! :celebration:
Check out this thread for BIOS and complete model list:
http://forum.hwbot.org/showthread.php?t=150253

United States Richard M Nixon says:

Sorry if I didn't see it in the thread - I've flashed bios 143 and I don't see the option for CPU vdroop offset. I see an option for CPU loadline calibration control. Instead of the normal-enthusiastic options seen below, I just see mode 1-8. Are these the same settings? If so, is mode 8 or 1 enthusiastic? I'm assuming it's mode 8 and the labels are all that's changed.


France pepinorang says:

Richard_M_Nixon said: Sorry if I didn't see it in the thread - I've flashed bios 143 and I don't see the option for CPU vdroop offset. I see an option for CPU loadline calibration control. Instead of the normal-enthusiastic options seen below, I just see mode 1-8. Are these the same settings? If so, is mode 8 or 1 enthusiastic? I'm assuming it's mode 8 and the labels are all that's changed.




Sorry for my late answer, I just got back from vacations.
We changed Vdroop/Loadline calibration layout, naming and settings from BIOS 141 because it was recurrently unclear for some end-users.

- Mode 1 = +0.055v load
- Mode 2 = +0.02v load
- Mode 3 = -0.002v to -0.004v

Tested with Prime95 at 1.4v, I didn't test other modes yet but Mode 8 is definitely not the best.

France pepinorang says:

Random said: Can you go tighter that or whats up?
Not even 21 or twcl 10?


[MENTION=40665]Random[/MENTION] It seems 4000 ratio has some issues with E-Die (AFR/D-Die are fine) on latest BIOS, but it works fine if you boot at 99MHz baseclock, then adjust in OS.
Just a quick and dirty test below, 4000 12-18-18 is no problem. :)
OS crash at 4080 with those timing, to be continued...


France pepinorang says:

Random said: Anyone use this board for b-die? I just got my hands on a stick and want to test it


Just got my hand on some B-Die as well, another quick and dirty test before leaving office, I'll try more tomorrow:


Romania Alex@ro says:

Those have to be some of the strongest e'die i've seen :) Sent from my SM-N910F using Tapatalk

France pepinorang says:

Alex@ro said: Those have to be some of the strongest e'die i've seen :) Sent from my SM-N910F using Tapatalk
It's not only the kit, trust me ;) I compared with this kit myself and XPOWER can bench tRCD/tRP 1 value tighter than some other vendor. Same for my AFR at LN2 (11-15-15 vs 11-16-16) and might be the same for B-Die (I quickly tested once today and could POST at 3866 12-11-11 1.85v but unstable).

Romania Alex@ro says:

Nice,even 4000 12-19-19 1.82V is very strong,i know plenty of 4266 that won't do close to that :D Go kill some 32M dude :D

United States Random says:

damn.. I am going to have to come out of vacation breifly and bust out my binned afr again and try another crack at it. on impact 12 18 18 3866 1.88 was no issue and 13 19 19 4k was doable but very difficult

I guess HOT bios was messed up. cuz I had waaaaay different results...

websmile says:

Shortest break ever, new record :p :D - welcome back :eek:

France pepinorang says:

Random said: damn.. I am going to have to come out of vacation breifly and bust out my binned afr again and try another crack at it. on impact 12 18 18 3866 1.88 was no issue and 13 19 19 4k was doable but very difficult

I guess HOT bios was messed up. cuz I had waaaaay different results...

Look closer at my screenshots man, I used the HOT v2 BIOS. ;)
You can also ask HOT participants, BIOS is running 200% perfect with AFR!

However if you try to compare Mini-ITX board with ATX you're doing it wrong...
Z170I GAMING PRO is 130~150MHz better than XPOWER on RAM and I believe it's the same for Impact.

United States Random says:

I said breifly.. anyhow../. i changed my mind.. But even in comparison to ocf which did 12-17 17 3733 i think... ... impact is just the most recent thing I played with.. anyways I decided not to... as it would entail stopping what I am currently doing on the xpower board. which is picking out watercooling compnents and modparts. to build a matx rig for actually working...


but yeah theres no reason that I'd be able to do anybetter then I did before since I had hot v2 when I decided to stop using this board for benches...

France pepinorang says:

I've been playing with the Non-K OC BIOS for XPOWER.
400MHz BCLK straight outta BIOS, all aircooled.
1.35v PLL OC / 1.65v ST / 1.65v ST V6.

http://valid.x86.fr/qp0h6l

United Kingdom Doug2507 says:

HOT better than 143 for 3866 1t? Can't even boot it with capable sticks.

Just checked 3600. Couldn't boot .05v less than I used for 3733 32m. Booted in higher vdimm then dropped in win, no issue running .05 below.

France pepinorang says:

Doug2507 said: HOT better than 143 for 3866 1t? Can't even boot it with capable sticks. Just checked 3600. Couldn't boot .05v less than I used for 3733 32m. Booted in higher vdimm then dropped in win, no issue running .05 below.
HOT is based on 143, no change for MFR/D-Die/E-Die/B-Die it only improve AFR. 3866 1T with E-Die is easy here but for 4000 I have to boot at 99MHz bclk then +4100 is fine. Same for 3866 with B-Die, need to boot 99MHz.

United Kingdom Doug2507 says:

Cool. I'll need to check lower bclk then with different imc.

3600 could run .07v below vdimm req. to boot...any thoughts on that one?

France pepinorang says:

Doug2507 said: Cool. I'll need to check with different imc. 3600 could run .07v below vdimm req. to boot...any thoughts on that one?
What type of IC? Never saw that... Envoyé de mon GT-I9500 en utilisant Tapatalk

United Kingdom Doug2507 says:

3600 tridentz b die. I'll double check now for exact difference.

.07v delta between boot vdimm and what I can pass 32m with.

France pepinorang says:

You mean you need more volts to pass 32M than to boot right?

So far, I only tested two kits of B-Die very quickly as I needed to return those same day I got them. :(
Both kits could pass 32M at 3866 12-12-12-28-220-1T with auto subs.
Both kits needed about 1.82v to POST and load WinXP.
For 32M, G.Skill TridentZ needed 1.88v while Geil Dragon needed 1.92v.

Here is a dirty 32M I did then (Don't blame me for the eff, it's just a one shot on fresh untrimmed/untweaked XP, Lsc1, Maxmem, Waza, all subs auto besides tWR 16 and tREFI 65535):

France pepinorang says:

Long time I didn't update new BIOS here.
MP BIOS 140 and BETA BIOS 152 posted in first page. :)

Romania Bruno says:

MP BIOS 150 is on official mobo page.

France pepinorang says:

Bruno said: MP BIOS 150 is on official mobo page.


Just uploaded it here as well! :)

Romania Bruno says:

;)

France pepinorang says:

BETA BIOS 161 uploaded in first page, it improve Memory compatibility. :) We are preparing a new XOC BIOS asap, including some new memory presets and full ACPI compatibility for XP! :woot:

Belgium leeghoofd says:

[IMG]https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/66364457/HWBOT/BDIE6700K.jpg[/IMG] Tomorrow MSI Fan day!!!

France pepinorang says:

Some guys already know about that for a while already but I figured I would post this here as well. :)
HOW-TO run FULL pot on MSI:

- Follow Dancop's guide for prepartion and handling: http://forum.hwbot.org/showthread.php?t=154112
- Use PCH slot (in HOT V2 BIOS there is a bug that disable PCH slot when onboard LAN is disabled so don't forget to enable LAN after loading LN2 profile or you will get D6 post code, I'll have this fixed asap)

Depending on CPU you will need:
- Between 1.7v~2.4v CPU PLL
- Between 1.7v~2.78v CPU PLL OC

Verified on ~10 CPUs with XA, Dancop, Orion24, Zzolio, Wizerty and Bullshooter, all CPUs were running full pot with no issues with the right settings.
I'll be back soon with settings to run full pot on CPU PCI-E slots.

TaPaKaH says:

Some progress from MSI on B-die clocks:




(it's worth to note that all setup components are retail, bought with own money, no vendor samples)

websmile says:

Big progress^^

Belgium Massman says:

Holy what? DDR4-2133 to 4133C12 ?!

France pepinorang says:

Sam OCX said: Some progress from MSI on B-die clocks

websmile said: Big progress^^


It has ALWAYS been like that guys, YOU just don't try and blindly follow the rest of the crowd! :p
Just look at the BIOS version (130) it's bunnying oooooold! So far best 32M/XTU aircooled results I have seen on MSI are:

Z170A XPOWER GAMING TE + E-DIE = 4000 12-18-18
Z170A XPOWER GAMING TE + B-DIE = 4000 12-12-12 / 3960 12-11-11
Z170I GAMING PRO + E-DIE = 4133 12-19-19
Z170I GAMING PRO + B-DIE = 4133 12-12-12

Also go look at the memory QVL of each vendors, MSI has the BEST memory compatibility on Z170 & X99, no matter the board you compare.

Peru raules009 says:

Memory preset b-die ? with my ram I can do 3866 CL12 ( Asus impact ), msi Z170 xpower I can not :(

Belgium leeghoofd says:

raules009 said: Memory preset b-die ?
with my ram I can do 3866 CL12 ( Asus impact ), msi Z170 xpower I can not :(


[IMG]https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/66364457/HWBOT/BDIE6700K.jpg[/IMG]

It can be done man...

Greece FireKillerGR says:

pepinorang said: Some guys already know about that for a while already but I figured I would post this here as well. :)
HOW-TO run FULL pot on MSI:

- Follow Dancop's guide for prepartion and handling: http://forum.hwbot.org/showthread.php?t=154112
- Use PCH slot (in HOT V2 BIOS there is a bug that disable PCH slot when onboard LAN is disabled so don't forget to enable LAN after loading LN2 profile or you will get D6 post code, I'll have this fixed asap)

Depending on CPU you will need:
- Between 1.7v~2.4v CPU PLL
- Between 1.7v~2.78v CPU PLL OC

Verified on ~10 CPUs with XA, Dancop, Orion24, Zzolio, Wizerty and Bullshooter, all CPUs were running full pot with no issues with the right settings.
I'll be back soon with settings to run full pot on CPU PCI-E slots.


Maybe its a stupid question but what about CBB? Does the mobo apply PLL voltage before post in order to post sub 140C?

France pepinorang says:

FireKillerGR said: Maybe its a stupid question but what about CBB? Does the mobo apply PLL voltage before post in order to post sub 140C?


No it's not stupid and actually interesting.
As far as I know, there is only two ways to apply CPU ST V6/PLL Termination voltage before post in order to lower CBB on Skylake:
A) Embedded Controler
B) Increase stock voltage by hardware

As far as I know, only one vendor use the solution A (MSI has an EC but it's used for different purposes).
MSI had an LN2 jumper that use solution B (JLN1, near debug LED).
However, due to differences in PCH quality between pre-launch and post-launch, we stopped using this solution because ~90% of PCH chips produced post-launch can't handle the increase in voltage needed to lower CBB and will refuse to boot when JLN1 is shorted.

Thus, CBB on MSI is now the same than other vendors which don't use solution A/B, unless you have an old sample or you binned boards to find a PCH that can handle said voltage increase.

France pepinorang says:

raules009 said: Memory preset b-die ?
with my ram I can do 3866 CL12 ( Asus impact ), msi Z170 xpower I can not :(


It boots easily just by setting 12-12-12-28-220-1T and left the rest auto.
I'll say this once again: You CAN'T compare memory OC on Mini-ITX/2 DIMM boards with ATX T-Topology, they are worlds appart!
A fair comparison would be XPOWER vs M8E vs OCF vs SOC Force or M8I vs MOCF vs Z170I GAMING PRO

Leeghoofd said: [IMG]https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/66364457/HWBOT/BDIE6700K.jpg[/IMG]

It can be done man...


And has been done more than once:





Benchbros also recently posted several results on XPOWER with B-DIE:
http://hwbot.org/submission/3191899_benchbros_cinebench___r11.5_core_i7_6700k_15.75_points
http://hwbot.org/submission/3191903_benchbros_geekbench3___multi_core_core_i7_6700k_27601_points
http://hwbot.org/submission/3191901_benchbros_cinebench___r15_core_i7_6700k_1421_cb

Brazil joe90br says:

Hi, I tryed many times, but no changes here.. I change the bclk in the Bios to 110, but when start the windows the bclk is 100... used Bios 14T and 14U,,,, for non-k cpu's.. clear cmos many times... removed battery... :( I used M-flash and FPT program... :(

France pepinorang says:

joe90br said: Hi, I tryed many times, but no changes here.. I change the bclk in the Bios to 110, but when start the windows the bclk is 100...
used Bios 14T and 14U,,,, for non-k cpu's.. clear cmos many times... removed battery... :(

I used M-flash and FPT program... :(


I replied in the other thread already.

France pepinorang says:

First page updated with latest Softwares and BIOS.

New XOC BIOS takes a lot more time than I expected as R&D is busy with next gen, but it will be ready around mid-may at very least.
As I mentioned before, new XOC BIOS will be ACPI compatible, include 15 new memory presets for D-Die/E-Die/B-Die/MFR/AFR and fix ALL the bugs of HOT v2.
In short, it' will be one to rule them all and I doubt another one will be needed until Kabylake or new competitive memory ICs are released. :)

For Non-K OC, you can now use OFFICIAL/BETA BIOS, when Non-K CPU will be installed, BIOS will automatically switch to microcode and display an hidden menu named "Beta Runner".
In this menu you have to enable the "NOC" option and your Non-K CPU will fly! ;)

BIOS screenshot, courtesy of Der8auer's MSI Z170 Non-K OC Guide:

The Overclocking Knights says:

Who said 4 DIMM boards cannot run DDR4-4000 1T with B-Die?
XTU @DDR4-4094 1T tight on Z170A XPOWER GAMING TE.




32M next.

South Africa DrWeez says:

bring on ACPI!!!!! :D

France pepinorang says:

DrWeez said: bring on ACPI!!!!! :D
Actually it is already there, but it seems I cannot get it working: OC MENU > BETA RUNNER > REAL THREAD Maybe you could try with an XP drive that is already ACPI?

South Africa DrWeez says:

pepinorang said: Actually it is already there, but it seems I cannot get it working:
OC MENU > BETA RUNNER > REAL THREAD

Maybe you could try with an XP drive that is already ACPI?


sure, i am back home from DRC on Friday night, my Xpower is my last 100% working z170 :eek: will let you know on the weekend

Greece george.kokovinis says:

I am very impressed.
I must put my hands on one of these beauties.

Good work !

France pepinorang says:

New XOC BIOS (based on BETA 173) is here guys! :celebration:
I'm testing it right now and will post it later on!

Belgium Massman says:

Testing with the board you got two days ago? :D

France pepinorang says:

Massman said: Testing with the board you got two days ago? :D

Yeah I told you, I don't have any other anymore! :D
Also the DDR4-4094 C12 B-Die XTU above with BETA 173 was done on the board I picked up from you ;)

Belgium Massman says:

Damn ... awesome

Germany Bullshooter says:

For XP installation you must press F7 when the System asked you for the AHCI Driver

France pepinorang says:

george.kokovinis said: I am very impressed.
I must put my hands on one of these beauties.

Good work !


Even if you have probably noticed, I must warn that I needed -80 on IMC for +2040 (memory weren't cold though).
The CPU I used isn't binned in any way so maybe a better IMC could also do on air.
However for XTU @2000 12-12-12-28-220-1T tight, ALL AIR is fine:



I'll try 32M asap, but for now I can't get this new BIOS to work with XP (ACPI or not).
At least it pass without wazza in 7 x64 :)

Bullshooter said: For XP installation you must press F7 when the System asked you for the AHCI Driver


It is not the issue, I had XP running without ACPI before.
This BIOS is supposed to be ACPI compatible (I saw it working on another version before) but neither my old install without ACPI or a new install with ACPI are working...
Weird but I have no time to check this further at the moment it'll have to wait a bit.

France pepinorang says:

First page has been updated with new XOC BIOS + new flashing tool (as usual XOC BIOS can't be flashed with M-FLASH). :celebration:

Change log:
- Fix PCI-E lock to 1.1
- Fix B-DIE need to boot 3866x99~99.8
- Fix E-DIE need to boot 4000x99~99.8
- Replace old Micron/Hynix memory presets with new ones for AFR/MFR/D-DIE/E-DIE/B-DIE (I'll add Hynix M-DIE and update B-DIE asap, it only set primaries and tFAW for the moment)
- Add Non-K OC support
- Add ACPI support (need to be tested, not sure it works properly on this one)
- Increase SA/IO voltages in OC profiles
- Rename LN2 LOW OC profile to LN2 -120
- Add "LN2 FULL POT" OC profile

[highlight]***This BIOS must be used with Command Center Lite HOT version***[/highlight]

New memory presets:



Non-K OC + ACPI:



New OC Profiles:



HAVE FUN GUYS! :D

Greece george.kokovinis says:

I am ordering one as we speak !

Excellent work Pepi and MSI !!!
Truly excellent.
I was waiting to buy an M-OCF, but changed my mind.
I understand about cold IMC.
No issue there since I will be benching on DICE in a few days.

GREAT !
You made me a happy man !

Thanks Pepi :)

TaPaKaH says:

Some further tests with the T72 BIOS:







2100+ should easily doable but my retail sticks are out of puff voltage-wise (hence the 2T at 2100)

Australia Bullant says:

Board looks good ^

France pepinorang says:

Sam OCX said: Some further tests with the T72 BIOS:

2100+ should easily doable but my retail sticks are out of puff voltage-wise (hence the 2T at 2100)


Yes I can do 2100 12-11-11 32M + Wazaa with my ES sticks.
I'm trying to get them to unlock SA above 1.35v for max frequency and implement ACPI on this one too...

Peru raules009 says:

There was an error while downloading the file.

Peru raules009 says:

solved thanks

United States sabishiihito says:

Wait, what?? I just noticed Tapakah's 4000+ 1T results! This is a 4 DIMM board and that is freaking amazing.

France pepinorang says:

sabishiihito said: Wait, what?? I just noticed Tapakah's 4000+ 1T results! This is a 4 DIMM board and that is freaking amazing.
Tapakah is using Z170I GAMING PRO AC (ITX), but I have posted 2000-2047 12 12 12 28 220 1T tight results on Z170A XPOWER GAMING TE.

United States rtsurfer says:

No ACPI BIOS for little board..? How to get XP working on the board..? Sent from my Nexus 5X using Tapatalk

Australia Bullant says:

[MENTION=3222]Sam[/MENTION] ,you done anymore test with this little board ,Z170I GAMING PRO AC (ITX) it's available here in au and pretty cheap just not seen much results around from it

United States GtiJason says:

Bullant said: [MENTION=3222]Sam[/MENTION] ,you done anymore test with this little board ,Z170I GAMING PRO AC (ITX) it's available here in au and pretty cheap just not seen much results around from it


I've been thinking the same, Sam tells me the vrm is not OC centric and therefor never took her cold

France pepinorang says:

rtsurfer said: No ACPI BIOS for little board..?
How to get XP working on the board..?

Sent from my Nexus 5X using Tapatalk


[MENTION=36067]MTC[/MENTION] ?

- No ACPI BIOS and there won't be.
- Use ASUS Guide and press F5 to select MPS Multiprocessor at same time you have to press F6 to load FiraDisk Driver, this will install non-ACPI XP.
- VRM is not suitable for XOC but it is 100% enough for the current comp.
- Z170I GAMING PRO AC is an entry level GAMING motherboard and therefore it is much less convenient to OC than XPOWER as it don't have any buttons, debug led or clockgen (need to Clear CMOS/Discharge MB after each memory training fail to reset Intel ME otherwise BCLK stay locked), however it can run memory at higher frequencies and tighter timings.
- Command Center Lite 2.0.0.11 to 2.0.013 (latest) can be used, no need for special one.

Latest BETA BIOS: https://www.dropbox.com/s/h28ewvqmbyox2cj/E7980IMS.181?dl=0 (I recommend to use this one unless you need more SA)
Old XOC BIOS (Computex 2016): https://www.dropbox.com/s/dc9pmdwxr81koo1/E7980O17.T72?dl=0 (Only difference is max SA air ~1.33v / max SA Ln2 ~1.35v, I wouldn't use it unless you need more than 1.25v SA which shouldn't be the case for benching. WARNING: Post at 12 11 11 takes FOREVER! 12 12 12 is OK)
Hardmod guide for SA: https://www.dropbox.com/s/0fjr7oy1xyydyz3/Z170I_gaming_pro_AC.docx?dl=0 (Need to use XOC BIOS, up to 1.8V after vmod)

United States GtiJason says:

pepinorang said: [MENTION=36067]MTC[/MENTION] ?


- VRM is not suitable for XOC but it is 100% enough for the current comp.
- Z170I GAMING PRO AC is an entry level GAMING motherboard and therefore it is much less convenient to OC than XPOWER as it don't have any buttons, debug led or clockgen (need to Clear CMOS/Discharge MB after each memory training fail to reset Intel ME otherwise BCLK stay locked), however it can run memory at higher frequencies and tighter timings.

WARNING: Post at 12 11 11 takes FOREVER! 12 12 12 is OK)
Hardmod guide for SA: https://www.dropbox.com/s/0fjr7oy1xyydyz3/Z170I_gaming_pro_AC.docx?dl=0 (Need to use XOC BIOS, up to 1.8V after vmod)


"- VRM is not suitable for XOC but it is 100% enough for the current comp."
VRM suitable/not suitable for Stage 3 GB3 All Out ?

"WARNING: Post at 12 11 11 takes FOREVER!"
It does on all boards I've tried

"Hardmod guide for SA: "
No hardmod for MPower VRM board, lol. This would be killer for Comp

France pepinorang says:

GtiJason said: "- VRM is not suitable for XOC but it is 100% enough for the current comp."
VRM suitable/not suitable for Stage 3 GB3 All Out ? Oh right, not for Stage 3 as you will most likely be limited with only 3 CPU phases.

"WARNING: Post at 12 11 11 takes FOREVER!"
It does on all boards I've tried

"Hardmod guide for SA: "
No hardmod for MPower VRM board, lol. This would be killer for Comp
We have thought about it before Computex but you would need a G-POWER since vCore+VCCSA+IGP must all start at same time and also timing is very crucial otherwise CPU won't initiate... Probably not worth the trouble.


BTW, since there is no ACPI BIOS, you will notice that performance in 32M vary a lot from run to run (up to 4s).
Unless you find your own solution, my advice is to re-run again and again, according to BenchBros 2/10 runs are OK: BenchBros`s SuperPi - 32M score: 4min 31sec 562ms with a Core i7 6700K (NO ACPI RUN)


[highlight]HAVE FUN![/highlight] :D

Germany Nik says:

Hi, i bench the 6320 with the xpower te can only Boot 118 blck.

In the Os can not over 124 (RAM 2800mhz), under 2000 get to 129 blck:

I Hope understand me :D

Thx

Indonesia speed.fastest says:

[MENTION=42690]Nik[/MENTION] What CPU Voltage did you feed them? Non K OC need higher CPU Voltage for boot because Core Clock & Cache Clock Ratio 1:1, and to get higher frequency you need to boot at high clock & bclk with enough CPU Voltage. So unless you have really good CPU, you may need to raise your CPU Voltage further if you dont.

Germany Nik says:

Boot ist not the problem with 2800 RAM and 118blck -4,6G@1,25v

Go in the Os over 124blck Crash, with 4,8@1,40v

Vcore is ok, go to 1,6v, have the same problem.

@b-die 3600 cl16

THx

Indonesia speed.fastest says:

Yes, you can not push BCLK freely on OS, you need to boot higher BCLK to get higher clock, if you boot with low BCLK you can't push it further as far as i know. So try to boot at 124bclk or more to get higher limit BCLK OC on OS before freeze.

United Kingdom TheMadDutchDude says:

[MENTION=42690]Nik[/MENTION], what memory divider are you using?

Germany Nik says:

Sorry for my Bad english and information :D

The Max BIOS blck is 118. Thats the Problem yes.

Set 122 go back to 118!!

@Trident Z

United Kingdom TheMadDutchDude says:

That's probably due to a failed overclock somewhere. What memory divider are you using? You mentioned 2800?

Germany Nik says:

G.Skill

Memory its not the problem, the BIOS blck go only 118.

Have all MSI Z170 Boards this limited BLCK in the Bios ?

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Ok, i found the problem, the blck is only in the Beta runer Mod limited @118.

Normal Mod no limitation, blck go 555!!

Thats not realy easy with a non K 6320 for good ram timings :(

Please fix this in the new oc Bios ;)

Can that anyone?

Or have this problem only the XOC Bios?

-----------------------

I flashed the non K Bios, but i have no Beta runer ^^

This one E7968IMS.14U

Crazy Board.

Germany Nik says:

Ok, the Problem is the OCX Bios, BLCK limit 118 [MENTION=16814]beta[/MENTION] runer non K The new Beta 173 Bios have no blck limit, lets bench..........^^ Thanks Guys Grezz Nik

Czech Republic Elkim says:

Did anybody managed 4k tight on ambient? I can go to 94 BCLK in the meaning to increse to 100 BCLK to reach 4k, but I always get BSOD at 95 even with SA/IO bumped to 1.35V BIOS 173. Also, I flashed GOC BIOS, and I got no screen, POST hangs at A2, reacts to F1, which goes to A1 so it seems it POST to BIOS but no screen. Weird thing is, I cant flashback that ROM back, it just blinks 3 times, then it just shines and thats it. Flashback on second ROM went through without problems.

Indonesia speed.fastest says:

4K Tight is very hard any 4 dimms board, but doable if you got very good IMC + very good kit. Maybe you can try 2T to make it easier to 4K.

Czech Republic Elkim says:

Ok, I'll try that. Is it more doable on cold? Pepino said, that on cold 4k tiht can be directly doable from BIOS, but I would like to hear it from more ppl, if so, how deep? Is -80°C enough?

Indonesia speed.fastest says:

For skylake on cold, many chip had best IMC temp on -60 Celcius til -90 Celcius. Try which is the best for you. Good luck ;)

Australia KaRtA says:

Bios 160, file not found. On another note, I am having trouble with b-die and setting timings. Some are ok, but other just end up in looped boots, even when they are not tight at all. Does anyone have advice for training on this board, maybe I am setting wrong and causing failures. I know what my dimms can do from an Impact and MOCF, and even basic timings are hard to boot. Also having an ME Firmware error occasionally on reboot. Is this common? Bios 173.

South Africa DrWeez says:

ME corruption would happen with me when I was trying to push to high MHz with to tight timings. On the Xpower I am a full strap lower than the impact with my b-die. Testing the small board from MSI tonight should match the impact. There are replays on my YouTube Chanel of my b-die testing on the Xpower TE www.youtube.com\drweez Cheers

Czech Republic Elkim says:

I did the same kinda. Troubles with both board, I could boot Up 4k tight but no matter what I did 32m not stable. Same settings rocks on MOCF/Impact. I returned AC to shop and back on XPOWER, this time going straight on cold for 4k tight, will see. Also, my 1st ROM stucks at A1-A2 with no screen but still reacts on keyboard, after flashing GOC. Flashback doesnt work, altho it works on 2nd ROM. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Romania Bruno says:

Flashback works, but in its own conditions :). Try a stick of max 1GB, formatted FAT32 and put the msi.rom in root. Try several time. It will run eventually. ;)

Czech Republic Elkim says:

I dont have that small stick. Smallest I have is 8GB and it worked on second ROM, but not at the first one where I was flashing GOC. Weird... I'll try to get some small gb stick tho Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Sweden Rauf says:

[MENTION=27909]pepinorang[/MENTION] We need XOC bios for i3 on XPower. The 173 can't do full pot because PLL volts are limited at 2.0. The GOC bios won't go higher than 125 bclk.

Czech Republic Elkim says:

BIOS with higher PLL limit is comming, but not sure when, hope it will come before MSI comp ends :)


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

France pepinorang says:

Rauf said: [MENTION=27909]pepinorang[/MENTION] We need XOC bios for i3 on XPower. The 173 can't do full pot because PLL volts are limited at 2.0. The GOC bios won't go higher than 125 bclk.
As some of you already know, I'm no longer in charge of OC community and support for MSI as my job position changed. For any OC requests please contact [MENTION=36067]MTC[/MENTION]. BTW, this is the last XOC competition (online or offline) from me and overall from MSI as well. Envoyé de mon ASUS_Z010D en utilisant Tapatalk

Taiwan MTC says:

New XOC BIOS (E7968O12.GOC) for Z170A XPOWER GAMING TITANIUM
1. This BIOS is based on E7968O11.GOC and removes core-i3 CPU BCLK limit.
2. Please use this tool to update BIOS.

BIOS: https://goo.gl/lvDvA6

***WARNING :
1. In NOC mode, there is no CPU protection at all. USE THOSE BIOS AT YOUR OWN RISK, MSI CANNOT BE HELD RESPONSIBLE!***
2. XOC BIOS ARE TEST VERSIONS THAT MIGHT CONTAIN SOME MINOR BUGS.
HOWEVER THEY ARE OPERATIONAL AND MIGHT ALSO IMPROVE OC/COMPATIBILITY, SO USE THOSE BIOS AT YOUR OWN RISK, MSI CANNOT BE HELD RESPONSIBLE!***





Czech Republic Elkim says:

WoW, that was quick, thanks!!!

Czech Republic Elkim says:

Guys, I'm trying instal XP with this guide on XPOWER, no matter what I do, I always get dash blinking at left top corner after step 2 and nothing futher... I tried so many images, and approachs, even the one from ASUS Z170 thread. [MENTION=27909]pepinorang[/MENTION] I saw you mentioned incoming XP instal guide, is there any? thanks Also, I'm trying to do 4k tight on cold but I get 55 loop no matter what, I tried 90BCLK and increse it from OS to get 4k, but no luck. I'm trying it because I saw many mentions, that its possible on cold, even boot straight with 4k tight

Sweden Rauf says:

Follow asus guide. Remember to press f5 and choose mps multiprocessor if bios don't have acpi. Don't know if xpower has working acpi, itx doesn't at least. Install in ide mode if you can't get it working, I think xpower has ide mode? 4k+ is possible, but a little hard to do on xpower. Maybe your imc or ram are at their limit on this board?

Czech Republic Elkim says:

I followed ASUS guide, when installer starts, I press F6 and F5, I choose MPS Multiprocesor, then load those two drivers as the guide suggest. It reboots after confirm, then I go for part 2 of instalation, it loads the files, then there is just the blinking dash. Tried it in ASMEDIA IDE and AHCI also, same thing everytime. In OS, when I set 94BCLK+, I'm always getting regular mem BSODs, bumped SA and IO helped a bit but only for 1-2BCLK MHz :(

France pepinorang says:

Elkim said: Guys, I'm trying instal XP with this guide on XPOWER, no matter what I do, I always get dash blinking at left top corner after step 2 and nothing futher... I tried so many images, and approachs, even the one from ASUS Z170 thread. [MENTION=27909]pepinorang[/MENTION] I saw you mentioned incoming XP instal guide, is there any? thanks Also, I'm trying to do 4k tight on cold but I get 55 loop no matter what, I tried 90BCLK and increse it from OS to get 4k, but no luck. I'm trying it because I saw many mentions, that its possible on cold, even boot straight with 4k tight
I think the answer for the upcoming guide is clear from my last post already.

Peru raules009 says:

pepinorang said: As some of you already know, I'm no longer in charge of OC community and support for MSI as my job position changed. For any OC requests please contact [MENTION=36067]MTC[/MENTION]. BTW, this is the last XOC competition (online or offline) from me and overall from MSI as well.

Envoyé de mon ASUS_Z010D en utilisant Tapatalk



There will be, Godlike MSI OC Season 2: Ambient "3D" Battle?

France pepinorang says:

There will be more Ambient comps in the future but not sure if any 3D and for sure no more XOC.

Australia KaRtA says:

Can someone post how to OC on i3/i5 please. I cannot for the life of me OC for the ambient comp and my time is running short. On bios 173, and limited to 102.7bclk, any more I get boot loop, or 35 or 02 code.

Thanks

Sweden Rauf says:

set beta runner to NOC

Australia KaRtA says:

Just found it. Thanks Rauf

Germany noliso says:

Sam OCX said: Some further tests with the T72 BIOS:







2100+ should easily doable but my retail sticks are out of puff voltage-wise (hence the 2T at 2100)


Hi Sam, where I can find this T72 BIOS for the Z170I Gaming Pro AC ?

France pepinorang says:

noliso said: Hi Sam, where I can find this T72 BIOS for the Z170I Gaming Pro AC ?
If you could find that post, shouldn't be hard to find BIOS, maybe just read previous pages? Same for [MENTION=109497]Fact11[/MENTION]

Germany noliso says:

pepinorang said: If you could find that post, shouldn't be hard to find BIOS, maybe just read previous pages? Same for [MENTION=109497]Fact11[/MENTION]


Oh sorry, I have overlooked it? Thanks

France pepinorang says:

noliso said: Oh sorry, I have overlooked it? Thanks
Page 27.

Sweden Rauf says:

Ok, so the competition is over. For those who wonder how to OC i3 on LN2 on XPower there are a few tricks. First of all is to set a good base profile which you can boot at around -120C. Set both mem and CPU as high as you can. Look down timings on memory, and especially RTL and IOL. Set RTL a little higher or you will reach memory limit quickly while overclocking in OS. I used 52/53 RTL and the corresponding 8/8 IOL for 2000+ memory. Once you have booted your base profile at -120, increase bclk, go down to -170 or whatever your board/CPU can handle and reboot. The key is to not change settings so much that the board needs to do full reset. A "light" reset should be able to boot at around -170. Next thing to consider is memory on XPower. XPower eats SA-volts for breakfast. Mine scaled to 1.50V. Also, like I said before, set higher RTL/IOL than on 2 dimm boards or you will be limited at around 2000 C12. If you suffer from low efficiency in Geekbench, remember to turn on AES instructions, as they are off by default on MSI XOC bioses.

South Africa DrWeez says:

I will add in my 2c worth on the above.. do the mod. needing to pull the ATX power every boot is not worth the pain exp if you need to warm up to -121 to post again :D

France pepinorang says:

Rauf said: Ok, so the competition is over. For those who wonder how to OC i3 on LN2 on XPower there are a few tricks. First of all is to set a good base profile which you can boot at around -120C. Set both mem and CPU as high as you can. Look down timings on memory, and especially RTL and IOL. Set RTL a little higher or you will reach memory limit quickly while overclocking in OS. I used 52/53 RTL and the corresponding 8/8 IOL for 2000+ memory. Once you have booted your base profile at -120, increase bclk, go down to -170 or whatever your board/CPU can handle and reboot. The key is to not change settings so much that the board needs to do full reset. A "light" reset should be able to boot at around -170. Next thing to consider is memory on XPower. XPower eats SA-volts for breakfast. Mine scaled to 1.50V. Also, like I said before, set higher RTL/IOL than on 2 dimm boards or you will be limited at around 2000 C12. If you suffer from low efficiency in Geekbench, remember to turn on AES instructions, as they are off by default on MSI XOC bioses.
Nice result and thanks for the feedback man! RTL/IOL is dependant of IMC, same for required SA. You can check page 25, I posted XTU @2047 12 12 12 tight, RTL 50/52 with not more than 1.35v SA on a "random" 6.5G Caseking CPU. ;)

Indonesia speed.fastest says:

Rauf said: Ok, so the competition is over. For those who wonder how to OC i3 on LN2 on XPower there are a few tricks. First of all is to set a good base profile which you can boot at around -120C. Set both mem and CPU as high as you can. Look down timings on memory, and especially RTL and IOL. Set RTL a little higher or you will reach memory limit quickly while overclocking in OS. I used 52/53 RTL and the corresponding 8/8 IOL for 2000+ memory. Once you have booted your base profile at -120, increase bclk, go down to -170 or whatever your board/CPU can handle and reboot. The key is to not change settings so much that the board needs to do full reset. A "light" reset should be able to boot at around -170.

Next thing to consider is memory on XPower. XPower eats SA-volts for breakfast. Mine scaled to 1.50V. Also, like I said before, set higher RTL/IOL than on 2 dimm boards or you will be limited at around 2000 C12.

If you suffer from low efficiency in Geekbench, remember to turn on AES instructions, as they are off by default on MSI XOC bioses.


Thanks [MENTION=64822]Rauf[/MENTION]! So my problem with MSI board is change too much settings that make board failing OC or failing Memory Training when i was in local OC competition with MSI XPower, i lose because i dont know this. Thanks this is really helpfull to my knowledge ;)

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