OC-ESPORTS Competition Points (re-) Introduction to Overclocker League Update

In the next coming days, the OC-ESPORTS competition points will be added to the Overclocker League points. Your 10 best competition achievements in the past 365 days will count towards your Overclocker League points.

Early May we released a public version of the OC-ESPORTS points integration with the Overclockers League. Based on the feedback received before, during, and after the test phase we went back to work to prepare the production server for a smooth integration. This turned out to be a more difficult task than anticipated, hence the delay of pushing the additional points to the Overclockers Leagues.

You can find the latest version of the League tables currently up and running on our UAT test environment. The 10 most valuable competition achievements in the past 365 days, based on the OC-ESPORTS competition points structure, are included in the League Total. That means: 250 points for winning the live final of a competition series with qualifiers (E.g.: HyperX OC Takeover), 100 points for winning the live final of a regional competition with qualifiers (E.g.: ASUS Open Overclocking Cup), and 50 points for an online overclocking competition (E.g.: Old School is Best School Round). We've also made it more clear where your League points come from by grouping the Global and WR points together. The algorithm is thus:

League Points = SUM [ top15(GL+WR) + top20(HW) + top10(OCE) ]

Note that the points contributing to your League total are NOT equal to the points you will find in the OC-ESPORTS Official World Overclocking (Seasonal) Ranking. The League Points are based on the competitions from the past 365 days, whereas the Official World Overclocking Ranking is based on the competitions of a yearly season, starting from January 1st and ending on December 31st.

The change in rankings will be quite noticeable. For example, participants in the Rookie Rumble will see their point total grow by quite a margin. Taking for example Topdog, the current leader of the OC-ESPORTS Official World Overclocking Ranking Season 2015, we can find him move up from Rank #77 without the competition points to Rank #32 with the competition points.

We hope you enjoy your fresh batch of points and good luck in the competitions!

(PS: if you want to organize a competition series like the Old School is Best School, but different, let us know!)


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Belgium Massman says:




Xtreme Addict's points breakdown


Indonesia Lucky_n00b says:

Interesting. Need to start joining more OC eSports Competitions then :D

websmile says:

*Cough* - I saw you are already quite active on this lately, Alva :D @ XA Point count :eek:

Indonesia Lucky_n00b says:

websmile said: *Cough* - I saw you are already quite active on this lately, Alva :D
@ XA Point count :eek:


Hahah just happen to have the hardware required to do competition I guess, lucky :p

Canada Trouffman says:

Lookign forwar to this ! :)

Sweden Rauf says:

Well, there is still the problem with the oc esports site having a few bugs. For example my xtu score in the MSI beat the fastest comp is gone, moving me from 1st to 5th place. How many other problems are there with missing points? Also, I have reported this but no change. Anyone can take a look at it now? Thanks :)

United States steponz says:

Lots of problems that need to be fixed with the site before this should happen.
Challenger 1 rounds are messed up.. I can't even do a Geekbench submission...

United States steponz says:

Who is supposed to fix this stuff as it seems no bugs get fixed at all.

Belgium Massman says:

Rauf said: Well, there is still the problem with the oc esports site having a few bugs. For example my xtu score in the MSI beat the fastest comp is gone, moving me from 1st to 5th place. How many other problems are there with missing points?
Also, I have reported this but no change. Anyone can take a look at it now? Thanks :)


Let me have a look at this ...

steponz said: Challenger 1 rounds are messed up.. I can't even do a Geekbench submission...


Let me also have a look at this ...

Australia newlife says:

I'll just try and pretend I didn't go up 90 places

Belgium Massman says:

The points are now live!

steponz said: Challenger 1 rounds are messed up.. I can't even do a Geekbench submission...


What's the problem exactly? I see other people have no problem submitting in the Geekbench stage.

Rauf said: Well, there is still the problem with the oc esports site having a few bugs. For example my xtu score in the MSI beat the fastest comp is gone, moving me from 1st to 5th place. How many other problems are there with missing points?
Also, I have reported this but no change. Anyone can take a look at it now? Thanks :)


Is it possible the score was removed because it didn't comply with the rules ?

Sweden Rauf says:

Massman said: Is it possible the score was removed because it didn't comply with the rules ?

No, i won the competition. It was mentioned in an article and i got the prize.
Here is the sub:http://hwbot.org/submission/2776163_rauf_xtu_core_i5_3570k_1141_marks

News article: http://hwbot.org/newsflash/2822_rauf_claims_top_spot_in_the_msi_beat_the_fastest_contest

Italy RULE says:

Massman said: The points are now live! What's the problem exactly? I see other people have no problem submitting in the Geekbench stage. Is it possible the score was removed because it didn't comply with the rules ?
Are you guys sure the new points algorithm work fine? I've only some on my e.sport point count in the total, also is not clear what exactly submission is counted.

Belgium Massman says:

There's no reason why the algorithm wouldn't work well. On you profile you can find an overview of which scores contribute to your league ranking. There's a breakdown of the 15 (GL+WR), 20 HW and 10 OC-ESPORTS points.

Italy RULE says:

In Road to PRO Division II stage 2, i was second overall (42boints) + 2 stage first place (25+25boints) + 2 stage second place (21+21boints)

http://oc-esports.io/#!/round/roadtopro_challenger_season1_division2_round2#round-leaderboard

But look at my profile ( http://hwbot.org/user/rule/ )only overall boints are count, i'm misunderstanding somethings?

United Kingdom topdog says:

RULE said: In Road to PRO Division II stage 2, i was second overall (42boints) + 2 stage first place (25+25boints) + 2 stage second place (21+21boints)

http://oc-esports.io/#!/round/roadtopro_challenger_season1_division2_round2#round-leaderboard

But look at my profile ( http://hwbot.org/user/rule/ )only overall boints are count, i'm misunderstanding somethings?


Have a look here to read how the points system works works

http://oc-esports.io/#!/rankings-details

For each competition you can only earn points once. That means the maximum points a Level 1 competition can contribute to your ranking is 50, regardless of the amount of stage won.

United Kingdom ObscureParadox says:

How broke is this at the moment? I ask because I'm getting 90 points and I think I'm only entitled to about 10.....

Belgium Massman says:

It works 100% correct. You get 90 from: [list] [*]50pts: HWBOT Team Cup 2015 - SC4: MISC Challenge [*]25pts: HWBOT Team Cup 2014 - SC1: CPU Challenge [*]13pts: Old School is Best School Round 1 [*]1pt: HWBOT Team Cup 2014 - SC3: MEM Challenge [*]1pt: Challenger 2015 Div VI Round 2 [/list] Note: Note that the points contributing to your League total are NOT equal to the points you will find in the OC-ESPORTS Official World Overclocking (Seasonal) Ranking. The League Points are based on the competitions from the past 365 days, whereas the Official World Overclocking Ranking is based on the competitions of a yearly season, starting from January 1st and ending on December 31st.

United Kingdom ObscureParadox says:

Yeah but where have I got a number 1 submission in either of the team cups? As far as I can see I got a 8th place in the team cup 2015 and a 2nd in the team cup 2014.... Not to mention I have no valid subs in the old school is best school round 1 as my sub got removed. So in essence it seems to be picking up points from time of submission, i.e. if it was first when you submitted it you get the full points, it doesn't seem to take into account the final scoring.

Belgium Massman says:

I see ... let's check.

United Kingdom ObscureParadox says:

thanks PJ, as it is you could abuse the points system very easily if you were working together with other people is all, i.e. arrange to submit one after the other in a comp to just slightly beat the second place score to get the first place slot, that way everyone involved gets full points. That would send the rankings completely off.

Belgium Massman says:

For sure, that's not how it's supposed to work (or is working for the recent comps). I suspect there's a problem with competitions that closing early or that had scores removed after the competition closed. Shouldn't be too hard to figure out the issue.

United Kingdom ObscureParadox says:

I doubt that is where the issue lies completely as it's still an issue with currently running comps, i.e. team cup 2015?

Canada Johan45 says:

I would just like to comment on the stir this has caused at my homesite. I tend to get involved in the OCeSports competitions quite regularly so the new point system has been quite beneficial to me. I went from #6 in Canada to #1 and #10 at OCF to #2, my points almost doubled overnight. While I don't mind the recognition, It gives the appearance ,in my eyes any way, that I'm a much better bencher than I really am. People that have put many years into this site/hobby and have much more experience than myself are being passed by Novices just because of the participation in competitions. I realize that the eSports should count for something but in many peoples eyes this new scoring system seems very unbalanced. I'm leaving just a few comments that express the feeling of some of your members.

I enjoy the hobby because of the competition, because of the points. Points and the competition among my peers are what made it fun for me. Now, users like me essentially get penalized for not participating in their 'esports' comps.
At this time, I am done with their nonsense. I will not be forced to compete in esports just to compete with my peers overall. I think that should be completely separate.
HWBot has always marched to their own drum. It is their house , we just have to decide if it is worth visiting any longer.
hwbot definitely does what they want without concern for those that made them what they are.
I would like to see them increase the HW points from top 20 to top 40 to help balance this out for the guys that don't do the comps.

Czech Republic trodas says:

On the other hand, well, probably that is the point of the competitions: to involve plenty of people, at least trying something. So show decide not to show up, then he/she have to understand that this choice will come at price. ... IMHO it is all childish. If they do it just for the points, then what is the point of not contributing to the competitions? More points! Or they are cheated up their previous scores and now they cannot repeat them with more strict rules? Their downfall.

United States Mr.Scott says:

trodas said: Or they are cheated up their previous scores and now they cannot repeat them with more strict rules? Their downfall.


Excuse me but, did you just call an entire team cheaters because they don't like the competition points format?
You really need to stop that horseshit.

Czech Republic trodas says:

Excuse my language, but I did not call anyone cheater in this thread. I did not label people like that for no reason, except people that cannot repeat their results or show any proof at all. Hint: 3DMark99 thread and Win98 results, that are twice faster as others on Win98 (havli video proved, that 255fps is impossible on stock ATI Rage 128 PRO, you missed that???) and being validated with CPU-Z versions, that cannot run on Win98 :D These people I will call cheaters all day long. But once again in case anyone missed that - I did not call anyone cheater in this thread. I just merely suggested, that perhaps these who complain being overtaken by others should prove their results once again, and that is within the realm of possibility, that they just can't do it, because these results might be invalid. That's all I said, so please don't put words in my mounth that: "you just call an entire team cheaters" when I did not do anything like that. PS. since you did not noticed, that havli video prove impossibility of the other, way higher scores (140fps vs 255fps), you probably also did not noticed that I apologized to havli for my disbelief that his score cannot be genuine. His scores are valid for sure and he also used CPU-Z version that does run on Win98. The two others don't. What a... coincidence? :D

United States Mr.Scott says:

trodas said: I just merely suggested

Semantics. It means the same thing.

Canada Johan45 says:

trodas said:
But once again in case anyone missed that - I did not call anyone cheater in this thread. I just merely suggested, that perhaps these who complain being overtaken by others should prove their results once again, and that is within the realm of possibility, that they just can't do it, because these results might be invalid. That's all I said, so please don't put words in my mounth that: "you just call an entire team cheaters" when I did not do anything like that.


This was kind of the point I'm trying to make. These people aren't complaining about being beaten at benchmarks that they have spent years sometimes accumulating. The complaint is dropping way down in standing by not having their benchmarks beaten but being "penalized" so to speak by not participating in OCeSports. The point system is too favourable to those that do which makes others feel as if all that work was for nothing. Many are still active and plug away at hardware that typically won't qualify or score in OCeSport competitions and they feel as if they are wasting their time now.

Czech Republic trodas says:

The complaint is dropping way down in standing by not having their benchmarks beaten but being "penalized" so to speak by not participating in OCeSports.
Well, that is IMHO the whole point of the OC eSports - to prove it again, to be active and to pass with great scrutiny to the score being taken. That it is. I believe that HWbot team made these competitions "points-happy" for exactly that reason - to encourage people to participate. That is their purpose anyway. I do it just for fun and to prove that my ideas can work. I don't care about points and ratings at all, I just want to show that I can do interesting things, even that I did not have the resources to go thru plenty of processors and boards to find the golden ones and overclock them like no-one else ;)
they feel as if they are wasting their time now
There could be endless debate about that, but in the end, all we do in overclocking is just wasting time anyway. What counts is, if we are having fun and breaking the limits or not. So if the whole point of some people is to overclock for points (and not the results), then I believe that not much peoples care about them. I certainly don't. I respect good work, nice scores and breathtaking results, but whinning about points... pointless. And good overclockers are above the "points war." Or you see them whinning about points there or elsewhere? I see them breaking the limits (Wizerty is close to 2000MHz on his GTX 980 ti, for example), not swearing about the points.

Belgium Massman says:

Thanks for the feedback, Shawn! Just read the thread, would've missed it if you hadn't pointed at it. I'll reply here. I understand that for some people this recent addition isn't great, especially if you're not active in competitions. However I would like to emphasize a couple of things. 1) To say we don't listen to the community is not true. Considering how much time we spend trying to find solutions highlighted by the community, I think we try really hard. It's just that ... "the community voice" is not uniform and it's very difficult to please everyone at the same time, for every issue raised. 2) I understand that some people don't want to do competitions, that's up to everyone to decide for themselves. However, competitions are popular. In Q1 this year almost 2000 overclockers participated in competitions. To say you don't want to participate is one thing, but to say others shouldn't have their competition effort contribute to their profile is something else. 3) Concerning the sponsored competitions: I agree that the competitions usually require to buy their gear to compete. We have voiced our opinion about this to the different organizers since we started doing these competitions, and all I can say is: talk to the company reps for overclocking and tell them what you like and don't like. Note that this year we've done efforts to counter-balance this with the Challenger Divisions and community-initiatives like the Old School is Best School, where hardware is open. I looked up some figures: in 2014 we hosted 38 open HWBOT competitions (23 Rookie Rumble + 15 other) and 26 sponsored competitions; in 2015 so far we hosted 59 open HWBOT competitions (20 Rookie Rumble + 39 other) and 22 sponsored competitions. 4) Speaking of the Challenger Divisions: for Div I, II, III, and IV, all three rounds could be done using the same CPU platform. 5) Looking at your profile, I see the largest contributions are from joining the World Series competition in Montreal and the still on-going Team Cup. In particular the last one is interesting. The point algorithm is set up in such a way that everyone contributing to a Team or Country based competition is awarded the full amount of points based on the team's overall ranking. In other words: if OCF wins the Team Cup 2015 - SC1: CPU Challenge, every OCF member who contributed to that win gets the 50 points. The same goes for the Country Cup; last year's Australian contributors all have 50pts. Overclocking is, just like anything in life, constantly evolving. What we can do from our side is look at trends, listen to issues raised by the community and then try to address those. The ESPORTS points in particular give us the opportunity to do many things. For example the Old School is Best School or the low-end VGA modding competition series. But also low-clock challenges, competitions for extreme-but-not-ln2 cooling, scoped to AMD hardware, ... the list is endless. We will need help from the community setting all those up, though ... :)

United Kingdom ObscureParadox says:

The only thing I will take from this is that the roomies and novices will get a slight advantage sonce they can compete in more competitions than most, not a complaint,just an observation.

But this is actually a good thing if they can keep up with the big boys this way and get them to continue competing.

Imho to be the very best you need to have everything, the ability to max out a system in your own time no matter what the platform and to also be able to compete under pressure vs other people in a live competition. That's why I like the fact that OC-Esports points are included now as without them it is almost impossible to be number 1 world wide.

You need the whole package etc....

K404 says:

ObscureParadox said: That's why I like the fact that OC-Esports points are included now as without them it is almost impossible to be number 1 world wide.

You need the whole package etc....


Well.... once things mature/stabilise, the points will be needed to be competitive in any way as everyone will understand their importance to a top ranking. :)

During this transitional stage, the people who ..... hmmmm..... "accidentally" gave priority to competing this way get a boost.

A good ranking is becoming something that can't be done in "spare time," there's a lot of aspects to cover to get a complete points haul!

Germany der8auer says:

ObscureParadox said: The only thing I will take from this is that the roomies and novices will get a slight advantage sonce they can compete in more competitions than most, not a complaint,just an observation.

But this is actually a good thing if they can keep up with the big boys this way and get them to continue competing.

Imho to be the very best you need to have everything, the ability to max out a system in your own time no matter what the platform and to also be able to compete under pressure vs other people in a live competition. That's why I like the fact that OC-Esports points are included now as without them it is almost impossible to be number 1 world wide.

You need the whole package etc....


Hehe that's not really true. Adding competition points to the ranking made it even harder for normal guys to be #1. The normal user maybe gained 50-100p but Dancop is way above 3000p now :D so in order to be #1 you have to work even harder now.

United Kingdom nickolp1974 says:

I'm all for integrating the OC esports points and i'll certainly look into more doing more comps and i was pleased to see a little gain from having them added although not sure if there right and why there added now for the team cup, i have 2 1st's for our team in cpu and misc challenges yet i score 42 & 31pts, am i missing something or is it wrong?? Edit: on a personal not i'd like to see more comps with gpu's from say 3000HD/200series upto 7000HD/600 series as these are all popular.

Canada Johan45 says:

I do understand your position Pieter and I agree that competition should be rewarded in some way. I as well as others feel that the point system is a bit too heavy now on the competition side. Take me as an example, I enjoy the competitions so I have been "rewarded" for participation. I'm 50 pts behind Woomack who has spent years benching just about anything he could get his hands on. I would have to say he's made 1000's of submissions contributed almost 10k pts to the team and I am in no way his equal. I do agree that things need to evolve but just like nature if evolution is too drastic some things will go extinct. I would like to comment on the point you made about the Challenger Div I,II,II and IV. The same platform could work for II and III only IMO. Div I is going to an X99 hands down as long as there are multi thread benches that don't go per core there's no way even with LN2 that a 4790k can compete against a 5690k. I host monthly competitions at OCF and the only way to get around that if they're in the same competition is to continue your "per core" submission as you did with XTU. Like single thread geekbench or WPrime result * # of cores. Otherwise they should be separated. Div II I have no intention of buying an i5 at this time so it's out. I would have used that $$ to buy some older HW for HW points but that almost seems like it won't get me anywhere. I compete in DivIV regularly which is AMD FX because that's where I feel I can be competitive. Not everyone has the luxury of running LN2 on a weekly basis to compete in all Div effectively. Since I believe that the majority of your members are just average working/family guys that also have other priorities. So I guess the appearance is that if I went out and bought an X99 system, 980ti and an i5 I could easily surpass everyone on my team with competition points by competing well in every competition you have going. At least that's how some interpret the changes, there seems to be no reward any more for benching older HW unless you have whatever is picked for the old school competition and you could manage 50 pts for a piece of HW that would likely only get 2 HW pts in regular submission.

Czech Republic trodas says:

there seems to be no reward any more for benching older HW
I beg to difer. My longest GPUPI submission was made on AGP ASRock 775i65G board ;) Not old enought? Now what about this:
http://valid.x86.fr/9b88hu Asus TXP4-X - Socket 7 mainboard and it's quite effective :) ...and might be great in both minimum CPU clocks competitions, but the AMD K5-75 refuse to post on the 7.14MHz FSB settings :( ...but I don't give up that easily ;)

Canada Johan45 says:

You keep posting that 7 year old validation, I guess now you just have to repeat it. Maybe it's the language trodas but I swear you're just not getting the point of my posts.

United States Mr.Scott says:

Johan45 said: You keep posting that 7 year old validation, I guess now you just have to repeat it.
Maybe it's the language trodas but I swear you're just not getting the point of my posts.

Can't repeat, must be cheat. :p
Sucks when the shoe is on the other foot.

Belgium Massman says:

Thanks for the feedback, Shawn. Much appreciated!

Johan45 said: At least that's how some interpret the changes, there seems to be no reward any more for benching older HW unless you have whatever is picked for the old school competition and you could manage 50 pts for a piece of HW that would likely only get 2 HW pts in regular submission.


I think that's true, and just to clarify, this is not done on purpose (as some people like to say). HWBOT has grown incredibly in the past ten years; not only in terms of user base, but also in terms of hardware and benchmarks. Back in 2006, there were only a few benchmarks at the bot and a couple generations of hardware less. I did some calculations this weekend and there are more than 40,000(!) hardware rankings at HWBOT generating over 1.7 million hardware points.

The relative value of a hardware point diminishes the more benchmarks and hardware is added to the database. Back in the day (2006) the OC League had a hardware points cap of 250 (if I remember correctly) and you could use as many scores you want to get to that cap. This gave more value to the low participation hardware categories. But this worked because a lot of the top guys had low hardware points. Look at Dancop - he's got over 3000 hardware points too!

The mathematical challenges involved in designing a mechanism that is able to cherish the low participation categories in an environment where there are so many rankings are not easy.

With the competitions having moved off site, we have a lot more breathing room for special competitions. Let's see where that goes. We can easily do 12 old school competitions a year, each with their own platform, and give the same value like the super-popular hardware categories.

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