Test Re-Introduction of Competition Points on UAT Server

When we introduced the OC-ESPORTS Official World Overclocking Rankings a couple of months ago, we were all taken by surprise by the effect the rankings had on the Overclockers League. Moving on from the surprise, we understood that the competition points in its previous form - all points from all time - was not sustainable for the Overclockers League. Based on the feedback from the community, we have now a new version of the competition points for the Overclockers League running on our UAT test environment (http://uat.hwbot.org/league/).

The competition points contributing to the Overclockers League is calculated as follows: TOP 10 (most rewarding contests in the past year). The competition points integrated in the Overclockers League on UAT are based on the OC-ESPORTS point algoritm. That means: 50 points for winning a level 1 competition, 100 points for winning a level 2 competition, and 250 points for winning a level 3 competition. There are also points for winning competition stages. You can find the full distribution here: http://oc-esports.io/#!/rankings-details. Just like on OC-ESPORTS, one competition can only contribute once to your Overclockers League total. One major difference with the old implementation of the competition points is that only the competitions from the past year are applicable for points. Competitions that ended, to date, over a year ago, no longer contribute to your Overclockers League total.

Note that the maximum amount of points achievable for people who only compete in online competitions is 50x10 = 500 points. In case we have 10 level 3 competitions in one year, and one person wins all of them, the maximum points would be 250x10 = 2500 points.

On the UAT test environment you can find the new rankings. We look forward to hearing your feedback about this concept, so feel free to leave a message below. For validation purposes we loaded the latest production database from April 27. You can verify the new ranking, as well as check which competitions are contributing to your League total on the points tab on your profile page.

Let us know what you think


(left: current ranking - right: ranking on UAT)


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Belgium Massman says:


United States Mr.Scott says:

Up 650 places for me.
Better than the zip I'm getting for comps now. :)

United States steponz says:

Nice.. looks like I'll just drop out totally.. way too much for comps again.. still doesn't help for people that can't bench other manufacturer brands Or that will not. why not make the points smaller .. if you don't do comps then you can't even be in the top 10.

Belgium Massman says:

- "If you don't do comps, you can't even be in top 10" - "If you don't do latest gen VGA you can't even be in top 10" - "If you don't do old hardware, you can't even be in top 10" - "If you don't have latest gen CPU, you can't even be in top 10" There are plenty of competitions to score points even if you're vendor affiliated. Just like there are plenty of hardware categories you can compete in for the 49 pointers. And just like there are plenty of global categories to score global points in for Haswell or Haswell-E.

Australia newlife says:

Up 100+ places for me but at the end of the day I don't really care either way

United States steponz says:

So splave gets 600 pts increase from points.. quite a bit..

Vietnam Gia Bao says:

nice

Germany Dancop says:

IF...these points are a must in the total overview ( I gave my comment in the past poll) then please include the AOOC finals in my calculation, they are still neither in this ranking nor in the ocesports.

France Strat says:

LOL i'm the only one to remain at the same place in the ranking

Belgium Massman says:

Dancop said: IF...these points are a must in the total overview ( I gave my comment in the past poll) then please include the AOOC finals in my calculation, they are still neither in this ranking nor in the ocesports.


Hm, looking in to this problem ...

Poland Xtreme Addict says:

Me gusta :D

France Taloken says:

What is the relation between OC-Esport's CP (here http://oc-esports.io/#!/rankings), and Hwbot CP (here http://hwbot.org/user/taloken/#Points -> Competition Points) ?

Germany der8auer says:

It's a better solution than before. However, I still think the CP should not be in the same ranking as the normal "hardware based" results. Mainly because some guys will not be able to compete properly anymore. If you work for a specific vendor you simply can't compete in the competitions. Example: Even if sofos had all current records he can't be first anymore in the ranking. I still think having a competition based ranking on OC-Esports and a normal ranking on HWBot is the way to go. It would serve all needs.

Australia JunkDogg says:

Wow I jump 623 places.

Might be a little too much still.

Although I wouldn't complain. :)

France Wizerty says:

der8auer said: It's a better solution than before. However, I still think the CP should not be in the same ranking as the normal "hardware based" results. Mainly because some guys will not be able to compete properly anymore. If you work for a specific vendor you simply can't compete in the competitions. Example: Even if sofos had all current records he can't be first anymore in the ranking.

I still think having a competition based ranking on OC-Esports and a normal ranking on HWBot is the way to go. It would serve all needs.


+1

Poland phobosq says:

Works for me, I jumped 170 places into top-200 in Extreme :) although I see big points on my account for participating in team competitions, is that OK? I mean - I submit one result, three other guys from my team submit their results, we land on 4th place and all of us get 15 points?

Canada Rasparthe says:

This is certainly working fairer, although I would have liked to see some nod towards competitions greater than a year old, even a tiny fraction (10% or less) so those that have been plugging away at comps for years do get some recognition.

Also, there are plenty of comp points for non-vendor competitions. I'm glad there is a way for guys to make it into top 100? of the league without having to buy newest gen equipment all the time, very good for new overclockers to see.

United States steponz says:

Wizerty said: +1

+1 also...

Spot on... They should be separate..

France Strat says:

Also agree with Roman

France dx4picco says:

der8auer said: It's a better solution than before. However, I still think the CP should not be in the same ranking as the normal "hardware based" results. Mainly because some guys will not be able to compete properly anymore. If you work for a specific vendor you simply can't compete in the competitions. Example: Even if sofos had all current records he can't be first anymore in the ranking.

I still think having a competition based ranking on OC-Esports and a normal ranking on HWBot is the way to go. It would serve all needs.


+2

Germany Dancop says:

+4

TaPaKaH says:

+5, but I am probably a party interested...

websmile says:

+6, but only if we remove hardwarepoints as well, we have a ranking for this already

France Strat says:

Michael, I think separating hardware and global is a bad idea. The way it is now is well balanced. If we separate it, it will end with big hardware master guys like Sam, 12, Knop, michel90 etc on one side and big global guys like 8 Pack, Dancop, Sofos, Vivi etc on the other side. No more chance for balanced people like Smoke, Wiz, Roman, me and much more to get and stay on that top 10. Imho the best option is what Roman said, not less, not more :)

websmile says:

We have to accept I think that there are people who like benching old hardware and people who like to do comps, people who concentrate on this and don´t bench and bin 5870 or 8800GTX for example at all - others even build their own es cards by soldering vram and Gpus on PCBs after binning these for which is best. In my opinion, you can´t rate one higher than the other, if you include hardwarepoints, in spite of an own ranking for this which exists for long time, and on the other hand use the argument that you do not want comp points for overall ranking and put this in an own ranking, I do not get the point why same pattern is treated and judged different... If for example XA doesn´t want to bench olfd hardware but does comps a lot, is this different attitude from someone who benches and bins old cpus but doesn´t like comps?

Australia newlife says:

Any non-pros going to complain about the points or is it just about elitism and how it threatens your elitist ways because that's all I really see and I pretty much agree with what websmile has to say

United States Planet says:

newlife said: Any non-pros going to complain about the points or is it just about elitism and how it threatens your elitist ways because that's all I really see and I pretty much agree with what websmile has to say


You will only hear Pros complaining because that is who this majorly has an impact on.

Belgium Massman says:

I understand Roman's opinion, and personally I agree, but we had a poll on this matter and the majority of the people voting wanted to have competition points in the Leagues.

I also agree with Websmile's analysis, actually. He makes a very good point analyzing the (lack of) difference between not wanting competition points and not wanting hardware points.




* note: "leave things they are now" was the situation where competition points were massively weighed in the ranking as it included all competition points ever obtained.

Australia newlife says:

Cpt.Planet said: You will only hear Pros complaining because that is who this majorly has an impact on.


And yet it has a huge effect on a nobody like me

TaPaKaH says:

Massman said: * note: "leave things they are now" was the situation where competition points were massively weighed in the ranking as it included all competition points ever obtained.
Actually, throughout most of the poll the competition points were disabled. So it's very likely that people thought that "Leave things they are now" means CP = disabled.

Germany der8auer says:

Sam OCX said: Actually, throughout most of the poll the competition points were disabled. So it's very likely that people thought that "Leave things they are now" means CP = disabled.


Yep I agree here.


newlife said: And yet it has a huge effect on a nobody like me


You have to see the whole system and not just the personal points. Take a look at the impact on my ranking. I moved from 4th to 3rd and gained almost 350 points. Still there is one big problem.
Take a look at the gap between 1st and 20th.

Without CP: 1501 p
With CP: 2061 p

You might think you gain few spots in the ranking and some points but overall your chances to be in top 10 are much worse. That's a fact.

Personally I will profit from the change but I'm just pointing out the downside of the change.

Belgium Massman says:

It was highlighted in the news post what "currently" meant + the poll went up before we removed the points, I believe.

Argentina nacho_arroyo says:

I think the competition point have to be include for push up the ranking, in the same way like the HW points do. Someone can tell me with good arguments why the HW must be and the Competitions Points dont? If not, the HW points must be removed from the Elite or the Competition points have to be there, also.

Thats my opinion on this.

Argentina Alan_Alberino says:

I think its ok to include competition points again. They motivate people to enter competitions, and also its a new way to earn points. Like some people prefer earning global points than hardware points, or other prefer hardware instead of global (Some people go for both in case of having the required money and time for everything), this is another option to earn points :)

About this new way of counting competition points for the ranking, I think its great so they have a limit and if you dont do nothing in a year you lose points in the ranking and give bigger chances to the active users to get that place.

Canada Rasparthe says:

This is just another form of the same argument that gets played over and over again (see exotic chips, see old school discussion after comps were introduced). There are those that spends lots of money on binning new gen gear and staying near the top (or aspire to be near the top) don't want their spots threatened by someone that doesn't have to spend as much money on it. To the degree that now there is a problem with points that took, literally years, to accumulate. Its the same problem that HWB has always had, extremely narrow road to #1 (new gen or die), which translates into an attitude that if you don't bench new gen you don't deserve/aren't good enough to be top ranked overclocker. Just my long standing opinion.

Critical Power says:

Der8auer says: I still think having a competition based ranking on OC-Esports and a normal ranking on HWBot is the way to go. It would serve all needs.

Like :) +1

Argentina nacho_arroyo says:

Maybe Der8auer is right, maybe not, cause with that think, we can ask about a HW ranking also, so 3 RANKING, one for Global points, one for HW points and one for Competition points? don´t think so. And if we dont want take the Competition point for the Ranking, why have to be there the HW Points, i mean, my enlish is not good. but my points is , why the HW points is OK and why NOT the Comp point ? that´s my point. Cheers!

United States Splave says:

der8auer said: It's a better solution than before. However, I still think the CP should not be in the same ranking as the normal "hardware based" results. Mainly because some guys will not be able to compete properly anymore. If you work for a specific vendor you simply can't compete in the competitions. Example: Even if sofos had all current records he can't be first anymore in the ranking.

I still think having a competition based ranking on OC-Esports and a normal ranking on HWBot is the way to go. It would serve all needs.



I kind of think that it is interesting though.

If you work for a specific vendor You will most likely be getting multiple samples or binned samples of CPUs/GPUs which will help your HW and Global Points so levels the playing field for normal users a tad.

Who exactly falls in the category for "MUST BENCH THIS BRAND" that is currently active in rankings?

I know most prefer certain brands but its not required by contract.



Also I feel like all 3 categories CP HW and Global make a well rounded bencher. Someone like 12 on HW points is incredible skill, IAN is a maniac at Global and, XA is a crazy live bencher. Wouldnt you say that all three deserve respect.

In the same discussion, 12 proves you dont need global to have a great ranks, and IAN proves you dont need HW points to be king. I think we need more balance.

Australia JunkDogg says:

Splave said: I kind of think that it is interesting though.

If you work for a specific vendor You will most likely be getting multiple samples or binned samples of CPUs/GPUs which will help your HW and Global Points so levels the playing field for normal users a tad.

Who exactly falls in the category for "MUST BENCH THIS BRAND" that is currently active in rankings?

I know most prefer certain brands but its not required by contract.



Also I feel like all 3 categories CP HW and Global make a well rounded bencher. Someone like 12 on HW points is incredible skill, IAN is a maniac at Global and, XA is a crazy live bencher. Wouldnt you say that all three deserve respect.

In the same discussion, 12 proves you dont need global to have a great ranks, and IAN proves you dont need HW points to be king. I think we need more balance.


Come on Dad be quiet. :P

United States Mr.Scott says:

Rasparthe said: This is just another form of the same argument that gets played over and over again (see exotic chips, see old school discussion after comps were introduced). There are those that spends lots of money on binning new gen gear and staying near the top (or aspire to be near the top) don't want their spots threatened by someone that doesn't have to spend as much money on it. To the degree that now there is a problem with points that took, literally years, to accumulate. Its the same problem that HWB has always had, extremely narrow road to #1 (new gen or die), which translates into an attitude that if you don't bench new gen you don't deserve/aren't good enough to be top ranked overclocker. Just my long standing opinion.


Here here. :celebration:

K404 says:

I thought that when competition points were originally introduced, they were only meant to count for 6 months? I might have misunderstood that, though....and it was a while ago....

Argentina Alan_Alberino says:

So what is going to happen with this?

Colombia saint19 says:

Alan_Alberino said: So what is going to happen with this?


Just wait, take a seat and see..

United States Splave says:

I just pretend whichever place I am ranked higher at is the real one, seem UAT.hwbot for now XD

Belgium richba5tard says:

Splave said: I just pretend whichever place I am ranked higher at is the real one, seem UAT.hwbot for now XD


We should make <username>.hwbot.org, which uses a specific ranking based on your username which makes you magically #1 on the BOT!

richba5ard.hwbot.org, where the most important ranking is hwbot prime on a raspberry pi! :D

Belgium Massman says:

You would be ranked 16th on your own subdomain?


Belgium richba5tard says:

Yes, because the ranking would be in reverse order! I win! :)

K404 says:

Like, duh, PJ... 16 is higher than 15 and is therefore betterer! :D

India ksateaaa23 says:

i have moved up 580 places. nice. this step will give an opportunity for enthusiatic overclockers[including novice & rookies] to compete with extreme guys, at least in terms of points. also encourage more people to participate in competitions which will make competitions more intresting. out of 63000 people registered at hwbot around 3000 are elite&extreme and there are 60000 people like me want to move up without getting into liquid nitrogen, dice, ss etc. this gives a great opportunity. this will keep many more people like me intrested in hwbot for future.

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