Competition Points Related To OC-ESPORTS Launch and HWBOT Leagues

Dear HWBOT community,

After the latest version release of the OC-ESPORTS platform two nights ago, many of you noticed a change in both Elite and Extreme Leagues. The new release includes two major features called Official World Overclocking Ranking and Official World OC Team Ranking which are respectively overclocker and overclocking team rankings based on the overclocking competitions. As the OC-ESPORTS platform is focused on competitions only, we increased granularity for the competition points to reward points according to difficulty of competition. It is this adjustment that caused a significant effect on the HWBOT Overclockers League.

In the Press Release we discuss the point algorithm for the OC-ESPORTS rankings. You can find the full explanation here. We distinguish three levels of competitions, rewarding winning live competition events the highest. You can find the current standings for the 2015 Season here.

Concerning the impact on the Overclockers League. The league total for Elite and Extreme overclockers is calculated based on the following algorithm: TOP15(GL+WR) + TOP20(HW) + CP. For Enthusiast, Novice, and Rookie the competition points were never included in the League total. The previous competition point earnings for winning a level 1, 2, or 3 competition was respectively 10, 20, and 50. The new OC-ESPORTS platform rewards 50, 100, and 250. The seismic effect this point change has on the Overclockers League was underestimated.

In a forum thread published yesterday, we read a lot of interesting comments on the importance and influence of the competition points on the HWBOT League. Some people ask for the points to be removed completely, others would like to see a re-evaluation of the points. Considering the flexibility of our HWBoint Engine, the impact of the recent update on the Leagues, and the striving for a fair and simple League structure, these are the options moving forward.

  • 1) Leave things as they are now
  • 2) Remove competition points from HWBOT Leagues
  • 3) Leave competition points, but adjust weight

We have added a poll on the right-hand side to probe the community's opinion on the three options.

We sincerely apologize for the lack of up-front communication on the effect of the new version release of the OC-ESPORTS platform. Our focus and attention was on testing and implementing the features on OC-ESPORTS and lost sight of the effects at HWBOT. This is a severe oversight on our behalf and we will do our utmost best to prevent mistakes like this in the future.


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Belgium Massman says:

Until we have a community vote on the matter, the competition points will not account for Elite and Extreme League.

Vote is up on the front page.

Belgium richba5tard says:

FYI, a test build for elite/extreme league without competition points is on test server: http://uat.hwbot.org

United States Splave says:

Why do I drop so low

Poland Xtreme Addict says:

Haha I am on 20th place :D

Can you also create a test without hw points for elite, only globals + WRs?

Ukraine sergii.ua says:

Boosting competitions via including competition points into ranking - great idea. Big weight of comp.points is good too.
But do not include do old points, only for next new competitions, that haven't started!
This option I think is the best - win for current members, win for competition activity!

United States Mr.Scott says:

I like the competition points personally. It promotes more activity, especially for people that mostly collect HW points. You would call them 'grinders'. Why not flip them a bone. They bench just as much as anybody else does, if not more, and receive virtually nothing for it.

Argentina Alan_Alberino says:

What happens in case that no option reaches 50%? I ask because in other polls it required at least 50% of votes to be changed but this doesnt say that.

United States Mr.Scott says:

Alan_Alberino said: What happens in case that no option reaches 50%? I ask because in other polls it required at least 50% of votes to be changed but this doesnt say that.


Hahahahaha. Doesn't matter. Staff will choose the direction regardless of the poll outcome. ;)

France dx4picco says:

not fond at all of comp point in global ranking

United States steponz says:

I look at comp points on my account.. and it doesn't make much sense at all. back in 2011 for a moa qualifier I get 1 pt for doing well... Plus no points for no limit contest at moa this year. I voted for stripping this out all together.. it makes it impossible to really compete.. theres not enough comps to join to catch up.

France dx4picco says:

agreed on the "non sense" of these points

Belgium leeghoofd says:

Voted 3 even if it is against my ranking, it is for the people who are spending time and money to compete in the biggest OC events world wide. They should get a reward for their hard efforts. For myself I don't really care where I'm ranked at lol.... just pure fun!

United States steponz says:

Well said.. I personally don't care about rankings.. I just think its a bit much... it will basically ruin the competitiveness of the rankings... For the guys that do really care about it. Its more fun to see the rankings move around then to stay the same.. and with this it will stay the same.

Ukraine sergii.ua says:

Guys, really hard to understand that recalculation points is fail? In any sports changing rules can possible only for future results, not for old. Its incredibly simple. Unbelievably.

United Kingdom 8 Pack says:

I agree with point three. Competitions do deserve weight as they offer different challenges and styles to Overclocking that the overclocker must adapt to. The competition in these comps is fierce and you cant pick your own best bench to attempt to score well in. Good all round skills and fast debugging are prevalent live for example as is quickly maxing out a system and making 100% the best use of the time available.

Canada Rasparthe says:

Xtreme Addict said: Haha I am on 20th place :D

Can you also create a test without hw points for elite, only globals + WRs?


Shhhhhhhhhhhhhh..... sounds to close to a Pro League.....

and don't bring up the idea of disabling global and WR in leagues below Elite....

But I voted for #3, those guys that have been doing comps for years deserve some credit for their work. But I like the idea of greater weight for high rankings in competition to avoid those guys that put in non-competitive scores just to grab the comp points. Even 0 points unless you make it into say the top-10, for example.

Australia zeropluszero says:

tl;dr

Ukraine sergii.ua says:

8 Pack said: I agree with point three. Competitions do deserve weight as they offer different challenges and styles to Overclocking that the overclocker must adapt to. The competition in these comps is fierce and you cant pick your own best bench to attempt to score well in. Good all round skills and fast debugging are prevalent live for example as is quickly maxing out a system and making 100% the best use of the time available.


Competition points and weight are not problem. We need to boost competitions and oc-esports. Including competition points into main ranking and big weight - best decision.

Problems are:
1. Recalculation. Include comp.points only for next new competitions, that haven't started.
2. Current comp.points are static (archive). Mixing static and dynamic points in one dynamic ranking is bad idea. Comp.points must be dynamic too.

Strunkenbold says:

sergii.ua said:
2. Current comp.points are static (archive). Mixing static and dynamic points in one dynamic ranking is bad idea. Comp.points must be dynamic too.


I think this is exactly the point.
These points weights rather heavy, simply adding them one by another has such a heavy impact on ranking that it makes hardware and global points look worthless.

Basically, I think its a bad idea to start a poll without showing concept behind this options. So I try to show you something I could imagine:

1. Time based
Let competitions count one year with full points, after that divide by 10.
I guess this is easy to understand, every competition point you do is now worth the points we currently have. After one year these points gets divided by 10 along all competitions you participated the years before.
Still heavy impact on rankings but forces you to do be active and Top OCers probably start joining Team / Country cups and thus seeing much more competition.

2. Remove Points from Ranking
This would be the most straight forward. Start a new ranking counting all competition points. Probably would remove some motivation from Competitions. And probably no one would care about this new competition ranking but on the other hand we dont have monthly competitions anymore and the rest are all vendor based. Means there are Prizes for motivation and in Team and Country Cups you do it for your respective group.

3. Leave points as they are and do some adjustments
Thinkable would be to exclude vendor based competitions and just allow Hwbot's own competitions like Team & Country Cup and OCesport. Reason is simple, vendors often rely on their own hardware, external oc events often need invitations...


In all options, please only award submissions which had some effect on the rankings in the end. I often see people submitting with very mild overclocked or non overclocked systems in a competition though they know that they cant improve their Country/Team scores. I think this is not the spirit awarding those people with one point extra.

United States steponz says:

Why not just have a couple different rankings... Having a comp points leader. Hardware point leader Global and wr leader. Right now the comp points are pretty off.. it semi I'm missing some and then the point spread seems to be off. I do think it will be good for the future.. just have to figure out the best way.. might take a bit..

South Africa Vivi says:

this vote is special. obviously people are gonna vote for no-comp points. because they are not as invested as some of us. is this is fluken competitive sport or a hobby make your decision. if its just a hobby site i will just go do something else then. look at tennis or golf, do you see them excluding tournaments? lol

Italy RULE says:

I've voted for:
3) Leave competition points, but adjust weight

The Challenger division, is a good way for show your skill, but without points and without prices, what are you bench for?

In the opposite, delly and the others competition addicted can't have 1000 points for 1000 shitty submissions.

The Challenger division also need to fix some rules, desktop background to prevent sandbag made before competition and you can chose only one division, but that is OT here.

United Kingdom ObscureParadox says:

I have to ask how the effects of the 50, 100 and 250 points system was underestimated? Surely you can see from numbers of that magnitude that there was going to be a considerable change :P

Germany Moose83 says:

Voted for Nr 3, cant believe allmost 50% want remove it! Seems i did right decission to stop benching for Hwbot, all whinning again!!!

United States Splave says:

Why not remove hw points and leave competition points for elite

Competition points seem more relevant to the top league then 5 year old hardware. Much like seeding in collegiate sports.

South Africa Vivi says:

Splave said: Why not remove hw points and leave competition points for elite

Competition points seem more relevant to the top league then 5 year old hardware. Much like seeding in collegiate sports.


good arguement splave. fire with fire haha

Poland Xtreme Addict says:

Leave comp points (with reasonable amount of weight) and remove HW points from elite cause it's useless for vendors (marketing) !!!

TaPaKaH says:

This would generate two problems:

1) Some people in the Elite league are manufacturer employees who can't participate in competitions and therefore earn competition points.
2) You will no longer be able to have a direct comparison between Elite and non-Elite, which means that Elite would have to be separated into their own ranking. And if a new ranking was to be created, it would make more sense to make it on competition points alone and leave the leagues without change.

A solution that could potentially alleviate these problems would be letting people choose if they want HW points or competition points count towards their league ranking. However, this might not be possible from a coding standpoint.

South Africa Vivi says:

you make a decision when you go work for a manufacturer that you can't take part in comps. that has been common knowledge for years. competition points have never been a problem, why is it now? out of the blue

TaPaKaH says:

True, my bad then :)

Belgium leeghoofd says:

Then I must drop out of elite as the only reason I was in there as being able to bench some ES stuff lol :) Plus I rather keep my HW points for the team ranking, so Sams idea is not bad at all... Anyway I can't or will spend cash on 600 euro cards, rather do some old stuff :)

Question: Is the new ranking already imposed as much hardware has lost so much points...

Poland Xtreme Addict says:

Sam OCX said: This would generate two problems:

1) Some people in the Elite league are manufacturer employees who can't participate in competitions and therefore earn competition points.
2) You will no longer be able to have a direct comparison between Elite and non-Elite, which means that Elite would have to be separated into their own ranking. And if a new ranking was to be created, it would make more sense to make it on competition points alone and leave the leagues without change.

A solution that could potentially alleviate these problems would be letting people choose if they want HW points or competition points count towards their league ranking. However, this might not be possible from a coding standpoint.


That is very interesting idea!

South Africa Vivi says:

Xtreme Addict said: That is very interesting idea!


i agree ,

if we can work out a point system that makes you able to choose comp or HW points to go towards your ranking that could be cool.

Ukraine sergii.ua says:

Vivi said: i agree ,

if we can work out a point system that makes you able to choose comp or HW points to go towards your ranking that could be cool.


It's too complicated.
Now we had 5 leagues with one point system - 20WR+15GL+20HW. We can compare this leagues, can move to higher league with all points. Its cool.
Keep it simple. Let's leave one point system for all league, for example - 20WR+15GL+20HW+15CP. We can count competition points over the last year (365 days). And can use this algorithm - http://hwbot.org/newsflash/2794_competition_points_related_to_oc_esports_launch_and_hwbot_leagues Max points will be around ~1500: ~3/year level3 competitions, ~5/year level2, 10/year level1.
Simple, competition points is dynamic and balanced.
Win-win? :)

Germany Moose83 says:

Like the limit to 15 best competition points :)

Ukraine sergii.ua says:

Moose83 said: Like the limit to 15 best competition points :)


Only count limit is bad. 15x250 = 3750 points forever. Static and disbalanced.
We need time limit too. One year is good limit. ~1500 max points and if you inactive for 1 year you have 0 points.

Germany Moose83 says:

Time limit? It would be same if an sportsmann did an WR 10 years ago and now he loose it :D

Ukraine sergii.ua says:

Moose83 said: Time limit? It would be same if an sportsmann did an WR 10 years ago and now he loose it :D


Bad example. We have WR points in our rankings now. And this points are dynamic. You can loose WR points when your record is beaten.
Elite and Extreme are dynamic rankings. If you want to include competition points, propose how to make it dynamic. 3750 static points - fail.
For competition points good example - FIFA country ranking. Counted points over last 4 years. Weight of results (1-12 months) - 1.0, 13-24 months - 0.5, 25-36 months - 0.3, 37-48 months - 0.2.

Competition points, that can be included to current rankings, must show who most active and success in competitions in this moment, but not who is competition veteran. For competition veterans we can create separate list - Competition Masterts like Hardware Maters/Team/Country. No problem with this.

I insist :) that the best solution - one point system for all our leagues 15WR+15GL+20HW+15CP(time limit - 1 year). Fair for all, balanced, dynamic, leagues are compared, can save all points when go to higher league.

Australia Dinos22 says:

Vivi said: you make a decision when you go work for a manufacturer that you can't take part in comps. that has been common knowledge for years. competition points have never been a problem, why is it now? out of the blue


true!

i voted for 2 personally because there are just a lot more people in the community who are not taking part in such comps for whatever reason and would be sidelined as a result regardless of the league they are taking part in.

There should be a competition points system that is separate to recognise competition OCers, perhaps replace Pro OC with a more relevant ranking such as an overall competition ranking and leave other rankings as they are....

I think future comps should also exclude employees of retailers or distributors as well as anyone affiliated with a retailer/distributor as well as review websites (Reviewers, editors, employees or anyone receiving samples from manufacturers as a result of such association) to remove possible bias and unfair access to hardware and contacts that regular OCers perhaps don't have access to...

France Taloken says:

I like the idea of 15 (maybe 10, more or less) best CP, but a time limit is absolutely needed, like the 10 best CP in the last twelve months.
Then CP will not count as high as now, leaving non-competitors more chances by growing in rankings with GP/HP, and the "hard-scorers" will have to keep activity in competitions, not just sit on acquired old points.
That method is present in maaaaaany sports rankings.

Ukraine sergii.ua says:

Taloken said: 10 best CP in the last twelve months.


Yes, that is great solution. Nice boosting competitions.
True overclockers need to take part in competitions and bench old and new hardware.

Poland Xtreme Addict says:

sergii.ua said: Yes, that is great solution. Nice boosting competitions.
True overclockers need to take part in competitions and bench old and new hardware.


Why? It's only hobby, we don't have time to bench everything... :)

Ukraine sergii.ua says:

Xtreme Addict said: Why? It's only hobby, we don't have time to bench everything... :)


You can compensate small hardware points by huge competition points :)
In hw+gl+wr+cp system all types of overclockers can be success, not only comp.guys or hw.guys.

Poland Xtreme Addict says:

I understand this, though I was referring to "true overclocker";)

United States Splave says:

It's finally coming to a real head. Besides the rare occasion that a newbie gets a platinum edition CPU, the guys on top will be the rich, warehouse, company butt buddies that play dummy sticks together behind the scenes.

Do you think you can beat Andre Yang buying 50k worth of a CPU.

This current system in short is like a 15 year old playing penny stocks while taking it from behind from "insider" trading.

Maybe we need to have standard limits of horsepower and aerodynamics.

Australia Dinos22 says:

propose something

United States Splave says:

A separate league for every user so everyone can be first place. No idea what the fix is

GENiEBEN says:

Use the american system, #1 for everyone just for participating :))

South Africa Vivi says:

i want to be 1st in the cat league please

United States Splave says:

GENiEBEN said: Use the american system, #1 for everyone just for participating :))


Exactly right

Belgium Massman says:

Poll results


TaPaKaH says:

Isn't #1 and #2 the same option?

Belgium Massman says:

Leave things = massive competition points as updated with OC-ESPORTS v1.2.1

United States Gunslinger says:

so when will the rankings be normal again?

United States steponz says:

Isn't it normal again?

United States Gunslinger says:

steponz said: Isn't it normal again?


XA is at #29, doesn't look normal to me.

Australia Dinos22 says:

Gunslinger said: XA is at #29, doesn't look normal to me.


i thought he deleted his account altogether from rankings....

Australia JunkDogg says:

dinos22 said: i thought he deleted his account altogether from rankings....


I thought everyone was leaving.

Ukraine sergii.ua says:

Gunslinger said: XA is at #29, doesn't look normal to me.


He is at #1 - http://oc-esports.io/#!/rankings :)

Poland Xtreme Addict says:

dinos22 said: i thought he deleted his account altogether from rankings....


Option now works, I am not listed in rankings. Looking not that bad :) Now can focus on benchmarks and competitions I like :) if I want to be listed, I can always "uncheck" option in settings :)

Belgium Massman says:

Euh, yea, about that, ehrm, maybe send a mail instead :p

websmile says:

I was really shocked, I thought there was a feature that worked :p - good that you crushed hope instantly, Pieter :D

Argentina nacho_arroyo says:

Separte rankings? could be fine, but why if we separate the Competitions point from the big ranking, we dont do the same with hardware points ??? Like many guys told, each guy focus in what he can, want, is not fare use another ranking separate for competition point only, if we do that, we can ask about make another ranking for HW points, so 3 rankings???..... For example, for me, is not possible focus also on HW points?? why, cause the LN2 in here is crazy expensive, so, when i use LN2 i have to use it for actual hardware. I think on this way, or we take all the points on the same ranking or not, but me, or no one have the voice to say, take only this point for the big ranking, and no this points... Its just my opinion, and off course, ITS IMPOSIBLE make :) to all the world, but we can try to make a balance. Sorry my english, is not good at all :) Cheers guys and keep ocing!!

United States steponz says:

The comp rankings don't even make sense for this year. The points based upon a comp that was really last year. Only the final was this year. Doesn't make any sense.. Why not start the comp points based upon competitions that are not vendor specific. Basically the rankings doesn't mean anything... At this point, I won't be competing in anything. I think too many people feel the same.

United States Mr.Scott says:

steponz said:

At this point, I won't be competing in anything. I think too many people feel the same.

Yup. I'll take my HW points and run. No point in competing with HW you've already claimed points for because there is no return. Pretty much kills any future legacy competitions.

Germany Moose83 says:

Seems Hwbot killed comp points and motivation with it :( too sad for people that spend lot money on it.

Italy RULE says:

I'm one of the little guy who wants come out from the mud. I'm training to do this with a lot of effort tweaking much as possible every result to gain the max efficiency possible, because the money to invest in this hobby and tiny time to do this.

I know i can't be fully competitive with the other fellas who invest more time and money and that's not a problem, but i wish hwbot can do more for de guys like me.
This year i was realy excited to participate in leagues division, to show what i can do, without some PRO come out to ruin the party, i suppose that's the propose of the leagues division.
Without Boint, there's no reason to participate, even though i consider myself a great competitive person.

The error for me here in the poll, is the compare between all the competition, because manufacture competition is full of prize and free hardware so don't need point at all.
The league division really need point, 50 point at the winner of each session +50 point for the annual winner doesn't move the balance that much in my opinion.

Belgium Massman says:

steponz said: The comp rankings don't even make sense for this year. The points based upon a comp that was really last year. Only the final was this year.
Doesn't make any sense.. Why not start the comp points based upon competitions that are not vendor specific.

Basically the rankings doesn't mean anything...


The HyperX final was held in 2015. Why wouldn't it be included?

Non-vendor competitions are included too. For example the Divisions, Country Cup, Team Cup, etc.

CL3P20 says:

Any result submitted in comp should be separated from standard submissions. There shouldn't be any intermingling of competitive league into another ranked system. Blending OCsports & Hwbot is a mistake. *a comp league should be separate from other leagues..in all manners *points from a comp league should not affect your other hwbot league ranks *the Overclockers Leagues and ranking structure should not be affected at all by comp points.. they should only affect the OC Comp league and rank Comps are rarely where the WR's are at anyhow, and should be rewarded with little to no points.. as results are typically hindered by tyrannical rules, bad OS's etc. As well.. you are competing for a prize already. Stick the points where the real results are at.. keep comp league separate in all aspects.

United States cowgut says:

I agree with you ^
We have global and hardware to rank you at hwbot and your respective league.
Why would comp points be involved at all in your ranking? you have oc sports now so keep it there.
I can understand if your comp score was a global or hardware ranking run then it should go into your total point score.

As for the little guy this is benchmarking give it 5 minutes your score will be beat if not then you should have no problem moving up the ranks...I mean its a hobby first and foremost it should be fun doing what you are doing no matter what your score is or what rank
if you are looking for the limelight it is a long way to the top

I think you should stop trying to appease everyone,its been hwbot =hw+gl =your points.
for all else you have your spin off
" OC-Esports.io, a new and improved web platform dedicated to competitive overclocking"so thatd where you should leave the comp points...besides if they are your pb hardware and global points scores.
I have been having fun benching all these years no matter what the score

Uruguay andressergio says:

I agree with you @cowgut but there are some things that are not fair at all, I'm Very Honest man, I ONLY use my hardware to bench, i don't use others, but i see lot of users adding lots of hardware that it's obvious that are not from them but friends...so that way is very easy to rank up btw i'm submiting scores since 2 days i gotter 50 points and i only get to see on main profile barely 10 more than i had, and when i go to the filter yes i see 20 more, but what happened with the rest ? i forced to re calculate and nothing...this is happening frecuently lately. Cheers !!! Sergio

Uruguay andressergio says:

nacho_arroyo said: Separte rankings? could be fine, but why if we separate the Competitions point from the big ranking, we dont do the same with hardware points ??? Like many guys told, each guy focus in what he can, want, is not fare use another ranking separate for competition point only, if we do that, we can ask about make another ranking for HW points, so 3 rankings???.....

For example, for me, is not possible focus also on HW points?? why, cause the LN2 in here is crazy expensive, so, when i use LN2 i have to use it for actual hardware. I think on this way, or we take all the points on the same ranking or not, but me, or no one have the voice to say, take only this point for the big ranking, and no this points...

Its just my opinion, and off course, ITS IMPOSIBLE make :) to all the world, but we can try to make a balance.

Sorry my english, is not good at all :)

Cheers guys and keep ocing!!


i don't bench LN2 Nacho but i agree that a balance is needed for me that i don't have the chance to LN2 on Ent. League gets impossible against ppl submiting points whith several computers on a single user...that it not fair at all

Just my 2 cents...
Kind Regards to all
Sergio

United States steponz says:

Well Mass, If I knew about this going to the ranking, I would have tried to be at the comp. I dono.. I won't participate in the comps still.. its too all over the place.. I think the league should be ranked by divisions and who scores the most points in the divisions. This vendor comp stuff doesn't really make sense... employees or people loyal to brands don't want to bench something else or just can't.. Your limiting them.. Why not just have venders start sponsoring comps with any type of hardware... That way anyone can bench no matter what. I bet you will see more people bench in comps... Maybe have vendors sponsor divisions or something..

United States rtsurfer says:

^^^^^This One of the problems with taking part in different competitions is that they are usually limited to hardware sold by that manufacture. A normally person can only buy so many different brands of motherboards & GPUs. I can't buy 4 motherboards of the same Socket so I can participate in all vendor competitions. I understand that they do it so they can promote their hardware, but we should be able to work something out.

GENiEBEN says:

Just think of the PR opportunities: "Use your crap MSI board to win a real board -GIGABYTE"

United States rtsurfer says:

Lol.... I have a proposal that might work. But I'll refrain from posting it, since its getting OT. Bye..

Belgium Massman says:

steponz said: Well Mass,

If I knew about this going to the ranking, I would have tried to be at the comp.

I dono.. I won't participate in the comps still.. its too all over the place..

I think the league should be ranked by divisions and who scores the most points in the divisions.
This vendor comp stuff doesn't really make sense... employees or people loyal to brands don't want to bench something else or just can't..
Your limiting them.. Why not just have venders start sponsoring comps with any type of hardware... That way anyone can bench no matter what. I bet you will see more people bench in comps...
Maybe have vendors sponsor divisions or something..


I agree on pretty much everything you say. It's not as if we haven't been trying ... :battle:

All I can say is: be sure to communicate all this to your contacts inside the companies. :)

South Africa Vivi says:

that poll wasn't fair

you split the competition guys between 2 votes. top and bottom vote was the same crowd. sigh

South Africa Vivi says:

seriously

52.5 % want competition points.
47 % want it removed

so then it gets removed. how does this poll work




for those who wonder how i got 52%

Massman said: Leave things as they are now = massive competition points as updated with OC-ESPORTS v1.2.1

Greece TASOS says:

Vivi said: ... top and bottom vote was the same crowd.


True.

There should have been a fourth option "remove competition points ... IF ... BUT ... " style.

Uruguay andressergio says:

Guys anything changed on the calculation method of the BOT, i already asked and sorry I'm on the Enthusiast League Ranking for Xtreme me alone, i got more than 50 Global points and more and i only got 20 for that, also on my main profile are not updated, yes if i filter for Enthusiast Latin America Uruguay What is wrong ? my profile is this http://hwbot.org/user/andressergio/ Kind Regards to All Sergio

United States l0ud_sil3nc3 says:

Points are in a broken state now, I have subbed a few scores and nothing has changed. So what is the final consensus for the new points algorithm?

United States Gunslinger says:

l0ud_sil3nc3 said: Points are in a broken state now, I have subbed a few scores and nothing has changed. So what is the final consensus for the new points algorithm?


ditto, welcome to the new norm. :celebration:

Uruguay andressergio says:

Gunslinger said: ditto, welcome to the new norm. :celebration:


what is the new norm Mike ?

Canada Trouffman says:

I would have kept the competition point with clear rules :
* Only complying competitions can count (not any.)
* These kinda make sure that you cannot get point for competitions that are invite only. or with a ridiculous amount of round to `boost` the competitions points.
* Online Competition are part of it, once again when meeting criterias (making sure that most people can participate.)

I truly believe that competition point are part of the equation, once again as long as you can make sure it is qualifying for it.

Note : when you start working for a manufacturer you kinda give up your right to participate into some competition (as ViVi pointed out, this is know for years.)


The decisions should also be looked at in term of the greater good for the community and thoses avoid most of the 'calculation' according to the actual ranking. ( same happen in F1 when they changed the rules for the Engines. )

Definetly Follow up the point steponz made few post above...

Uruguay andressergio says:

still the same won't submit more till it get fixed beacuse i don't know happens to my points...

GENiEBEN says:

It's 14th, missing points are probably on a date to make more boints.

Uruguay andressergio says:

GENiEBEN said: It's 14th, missing points are probably on a date to make more boints.


sorry bro i don't get what you say

i just submited more poitns and nothing is moving and this is happening to all as far as i know

United States Mr.Scott says:

GENiEBEN said: It's 14th, missing points are probably on a date to make more boints.


I got it. ;)

United States Splave says:

update the boints please :)

United States l0ud_sil3nc3 says:

Splave said: update the boints please :)



Yes this plz, everything has been in limbo for me for the last week or so, all submissions I have made have done nothing to my points even after forcing a recalculation.

Belgium Massman says:

Confirmed the issue with the point recalculation. Hoping to get it fixed asap.

Uruguay andressergio says:

Yes bro please !!! :) took me loooong time to get those points kind regards to all Sergio !!!

United States steponz says:

Yep points aren't working at all.. need to get that fixed.. put up 4 global tops and I'm at the same still..

United States steponz says:

Any update on this.. this should be a priority..

Germany der8auer says:

Unless it's an obvious bug I wouldn't expect a solution over night.

United States steponz says:

Well it was working and then you guys broke it.. Its been like this for a week.. I put up some crazy scores.. You guys shouldn't be broken this long.. doesn't look good at all.. Your basically discouraging everything goes with Elite.. Remember we have been here for a long time.. yet it feels like we pretty much don't matter anymore..

United States steponz says:

How about this idea.. Split up from page is top 10 from each category.. or bunch a couple together.. That way rookies can get some headlines. You guy have to start thinking in how the Lifecycle of an Overclocker will work.. Rookie.. goes to novice... etc... Even for a guy that wins Rookie Rumble now.. what happens.. they go to novice.. then what happens.. they seem to matter anymore.. Not just one category is more important than the other... And right now its. as if the Rookies matter more than guys that have been here for years..... I see some amazing or post some crazy results... what happens.. I get the front page then there is nothing.. whats the incentive for me to even post here? Because personally I could do the same on Facebook... The point of this to bring all of us together.. not separate us... thats my rant... Just fix the points.. lol

Colombia saint19 says:

At the end...

Points for competitions count or not count for each user (global total)...because I see some confusing information here.

Uruguay andressergio says:

So what we do ? i will stop till this is fixez inmo...

Belgium Massman says:

> For the points not updating at the moment, we're trying to get this fixed asap > For the competition points, we're looking in to the options for adding competition points in a fair, balanced, simple, and consistent way

Uruguay andressergio says:

Guys I am aware of the calculation problems but this is driving me crazy, i made more than 100 Global Points and only get 45 from it...or less I Honestly don't understand how the calculations works, i rank for xtremesystems, here is my user http://hwbot.org/user/andressergio/ take a look at my submissions I have an Uruguayan Team that is from my Country maybe i should switch to it ? beacause its clear that xtremsystems is GIANT and i can't keep it up all the time, but i was born in this forum and my team is xtreme The Uruguayan Team is Called http://hwbot.org/team/gz_oc_team/ thanks to all Kind Regards Sergio

TaPaKaH says:

Your point count is actually correct - it's only 15 submissions that count for global points and 20 submissions that cound for hardware points. That is, once you upload a new set of scores, some old scores stop contributing towards your total point count.

Uruguay andressergio says:

Sam OCX said: Your point count is actually correct - it's only 15 submissions that count for global points and 20 submissions that cound for hardware points. That is, once you upload a new set of scores, some old scores stop contributing towards your total point count.


thanks Sam !

Uruguay andressergio says:

Guys is there any problems with points again ? i'm submiting with my GTX 960 on Single and SLI but i keep dropping instead of going up, while im getting hardware points and GP... :/ Thanks !!! Kind Regards to All Sergio

Uruguay andressergio says:

I just saw that ALL My submissions with 1x GTX 960 and 2x GTX 960 none adds up even i got good points with them :(

United Kingdom ObscureParadox says:

andressergio said: I just saw that ALL My submissions with 1x GTX 960 and 2x GTX 960 none adds up even i got good points with them :(


Those points won't count because it's not your top 20 hardware or top 15 global points.

Uruguay andressergio says:

ObscureParadox said: Those points won't count because it's not your top 20 hardware or top 15 global points.


Thanks man will have to take that in mind is it possible you explain me more about that i catch a part not the rest...

http://hwbot.org/submission/2799397_


Thanks bro !
Sergio

Colombia saint19 says:

andressergio said: Thanks man will have to take that in mind is it possible you explain me more about that i catch a part not the rest...

http://hwbot.org/submission/2799397_


Thanks bro !
Sergio


I guess that you already read this: http://hwbot.org/article/hwboints

If not, please take a look.

Remember that for global points the system only takes the places 1 to 15 with more points for you. In the picture "E1" you case see your global points from place 1 to 22, while you got a good score with those two GTX 960, those 12 points are just enough for a 21th place in your global list, that means, out side of the place 1 to 15 that are taken into account for calculate your total points. That's why you do not see "any" increase in your total points.

Now, move on to the Hardware points.

Let's take a look of the picture "E2". Same situation that your global points, while hardware points takes places 1 to 20 for your total calculation, your 1st GTX 960 submition is on place 38th, too far away from the range where points are important for your hardware total points.

Uruguay andressergio says:

saint19 said: I guess that you already read this: http://hwbot.org/article/hwboints

If not, please take a look.

Remember that for global points the system only takes the places 1 to 15 with more points for you. In the picture "E1" you case see your global points from place 1 to 22, while you got a good score with those two GTX 960, those 12 points are just enough for a 21th place in your global list, that means, out side of the place 1 to 15 that are taken into account for calculate your total points. That's why you do not see "any" increase in your total points.

Now, move on to the Hardware points.

Let's take a look of the picture "E2". Same situation that your global points, while hardware points takes places 1 to 20 for your total calculation, your 1st GTX 960 submition is on place 38th, too far away from the range where points are important for your hardware total points.


Thanks bro i read yes and get it perfect now

Kind Regards
Sergio

Uruguay andressergio says:

Guys be aware this user alibaba http://hwbot.org/user/alibaba/ He is reporting stuff and he made the user just for that, last time he did the same on me, i guess he don't like to be passed on Scores and only poor resource he has is not to show his "face" Kind Regards to All Sergio

Uruguay andressergio says:

Hi Guys i just want to tell you some things i would like to improve on HWBOT Database Search and Queries and filling information. As a Programmer i spot this things easy but dunno how can I Help. 1) On The SEARCH Submissions Would be nice to have a "ALL" Ckeck Button to inspect for Errors. For ex. I realized I Choose "disable points" by mistake and this made me loose nice points. 2) On the HARDWARE Library there's an Error when you have For ex. 1x EVGA GTX 960 SSC Only and you forgot to name them well and you will get: EVGA GTX 960 NVIDIA GTX 960 This adds 2 VGAs instead of the real 1 you have. And also when u select to correct let's say we want to change NVIDIA GTX 960 for the real EVGA. You Pick it and instead of showing the mistaken one brings a lot of results of GTX 960 u may have. So u have to inspect one by one and find it... 3) Submiting Aquamark, hwbotprime and all SAVE to or Upload to Hwbot makes u fill over and over same hardware instead of Populate from Other Submissions. This I'm sure leads to lots of Mistakes again. 4) When u submit any score and you want to put the Brand of the VGA The MODEL deletes from the field so you need to re enter again. I tested this in ALL Browsers only Solution i found is copy before entering the Brand. Again this leads in more mistakes. This just for of many i found just let me know what you think guys kind regards to all Sergio

Colombia saint19 says:

What happened at the end with the competition points?

Belgium Massman says:

We are testing on UAT to add them again

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