Digitimes: How G.SKILL memory leads DRAM overclocking and the fearless pursuit for performance (Interview with G.SKILL CEO Johnson Huang)

DigiTimes published an article about G.SKILL's efforts in overclocking and their activities at Computex 2014. They interview the CEO Johnson Huang too. Check it out!

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Walking into Computex 2014 at Nangang Exhibition Hall 1F, a constant crowd of attendees surround an eye-catching stage, featuring a massive leader board and a half dozen five-foot tall liquid nitrogen tanks. White clouds of nitrogen billow across the stage, timers count down on the overhead TV screens, and the audience buzzes in anticipation and excitement. This is G.SKILL International Enterprise Co., Ltd. hosting two spectacular and awe-inspiring global overclocking events during Computex week - the 1st Annual OC World Cup and the 3rd Annual OC World Record Stage.

So why does G.SKILL devote so many resources into a small niche segment like extreme overclocking? This is a burning question in many people's minds.

Mr. Johnson Huang gave us an apt analogy: Formula One cars test the highest extreme limits of vehicle technology, and then the innovations are integrated into high performance cars like Ferrari and the McLaren. G.SKILL does the same, by testing the extreme limits of memory through overclocking, then integrating the innovations into high end systems and drive the high performance systems market segment to new heights.


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Romania Monstru says:

GSkill leads DRAM overclocking? Does Kingston know? =))

Belgium Massman says:

Haha. In all fairness they still have 7/20 in the memory clock hall of fame, more than any other vendor.

TaPaKaH says:

too much marketing for my little brain

Brazil gnidaol says:

Massman said: Haha.

In all fairness they still have 7/20 in the memory clock hall of fame, more than any other vendor.


Yeah :) From 9th up

United States Gunslinger says:

meh, its just an arbitrary number for the marketing people, zero benchmark performance gains to be had with any of that DRAM

websmile says:

Show me Highend Kingston PSC, BBSE, GTR retails for example - validation is promo, it states nothing about real bench world :). Kingston retails are sub par bench mems, and they do not only end up second to Gskill ^^

Romania Monstru says:

What retail GSkill bench mems? Where can I buy those? :)

websmile says:

In germany, you can still get some 2400c9 Trident X for example :) - worst out of around a dozen Kits I had, my 2666c10 and 2600 c10 did better :)
Not available anymore, but retail at their time - PSC
retail BBSE
There were lots of opportunities :)

Romania Alex@ro says:

kingston memories for benching?that must be a joke.I'd put up gskill and corsair fighting for top spot with different ic's,for example corsair ruled elpida hyper,gskill ruled psc and bbse,corsair ruled samsung,etc... The fun fact is that regarding on benching for efficiency you are much better buying other brands like teamgroup or adata,kingston is junk with capital letters.

Romania Monstru says:

Whoever "leads" anything now cannot be compared to the way Crucial used to rule D9 or Corsair used to rule BH-5 - mass market availability, not 50 kits sold around the world or sent to seeded oc'ers. Bottom line - less PR bull, more retail products. Don't give them fuel or it goes to their heads and then we see stuff like this coming out. How the heck can you lead a market when you don't even have distributors in half of the areas Kingston or A-Data do...lol...talk about "global market"... Let them roll our real products anybody can buy in large quantities, not golden samples sent to seeded oc'ers and sub-par retail kits for masses. And I know what I am talking about because I am one of those guys who can get those golden samples. And I still find this wrong...

Romania Alex@ro says:

You are right in some ways,but as far as i read in this article,they say "How G.SKILL memory leads DRAM overclocking".So if you reffer to overclocking market,they are right.Check out superpi challenges and you will see why. If you reffer to normal DRAM market,G.skill is a tiny little player compared to other fellas.And yes usually sample kits are way better than what you find in retail,however you can still find similar if not better retail kits with enough binning.After all,everyone binns their press samples,no surprise. I'm not trying to defend G.skill,as far as i am concerned i don't give 0.02$ who manufactures the DIMM as long as it suits my needs.But in the tiny area that is represented by benching mem,G.skill is doing things right,check every competition with 32M or these threads...: http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?286315-SuperPi32m-5GHz-amp-4GHz-Haswell-All-Out-Challenge! http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?280903-SuperPi32m-5Ghz-Ivy-All-Out-Challenge!

Romania Monstru says:

I am not talking about the DDR market, of course they cannot compete with the huge companies. But when they say "How G.SKILL memory leads DRAM overclocking" you should look here - http://hwbot.org/benchmark/memory_clock/rankings?cores=0&hardwareTypeId=memory_1#start=0#interval=20 - and see: 1-5 Kingston 6 Corsair 7 Team Group 8 AData 9 Corsair 10 GSkill The first 5 results from Top 10 are Kingston. Most of them were done live too... There are 4 memory companies in top 10 in front of GSkill...So... I am sorry but I do not see how GSkill leads DRAM overclocking. Yes, I know, this top is mainly PR and 99% in that top are seeded OC'ers or work for a company. But then again I can say the same about the claim from the title (PR) and the results done by GSkill (seeded oc'ers or work for a company)... Cool, they might be doing well in fixed frequency forum challenges - that's nice. But all the events we saw this year were live, were done on big cash, on the big stage...and were won by guys using Kingston. And if GSkill does not want PR stunts and addresses the mass market, they should say so and act like so...

United States Splave says:

Gskill Psc equals only benching memory that matters in the last couple years no?

Romania Monstru says:

Dunno bro, are these Corsair or Gskill, cause I cannot say ...

http://hwbot.org/submission/2407218_andreyang_superpi___32m_core_i7_4770k_4min_33sec_188ms

What about these? I see Team Group there...

http://hwbot.org/submission/2505538_chi_kui_lam_superpi___1m_core_i7_3770k_5sec_78ms

Or this Team Group again

http://hwbot.org/submission/2510672_chi_kui_lam_wprime___32m_core_i7_4770k_3sec_421ms

Or another Team Group WR

http://hwbot.org/submission/2510204_chi_kui_lam_wprime___1024m_core_i7_4770k_108sec_828ms




These are GSkill, I give you that:

http://hwbot.org/submission/2385316_fredyama_pifast_core_i7_4770k_9.8_sec

http://hwbot.org/submission/2480419_farjam_maxxmem_ddr3_sdram_2970_marks


and this might be also, I have no idea what Project X is....

http://hwbot.org/submission/2562104_chi_kui_lam_xtu_core_i7_4770k_1601_marks



I am not saying GSkill is not good for benching - I think they made probably the best PSC out there (I also have one of those). And I am not saying these guys don't focus on overclockers because they have been doing that for a while. But I think that saying "G.SKILL memory leads DRAM overclocking" is a bit of an overstatement, especially when in the memory overclocking ranking their first result is on number 10...

Ukraine MaJ0r says:

Bro c'mon. G.Skills memory are better for overclocking about last five-three year. From others brand I would recommend to use TeamGroup - they have strong Samsung D-series kits, Hynix and PSC x-series from 2010 ) And after those brands I would say that Kingston is third according to last HOT competition and Computex. Before these actions it was hard to find good OC-results on hwbot with Kingston memory.

Romania Monstru says:

MaJor - they are very good memory and it is also very used (see bellow) but at the moment the kings of DRAM overclocking are Kingston, if it were to take into consideration the DDR3 rankings.

However, there is one think that they got right in that article - at the moment GSkill is the most used DDR3 brand on HWbot (as far as results where RAM is declared are concerned) and Kingston really dropped in numbers.

GSkill - 41620
Corsair - 35987
Kingston (incl HyperX) - 13310

Ah... I miss these days:

DDR2

Crucial - 4327
Corsair - 3932
Kingston - 2827
GSkill - 979



See what I am saying - the numbers above are solid information I can relate to and back-up (Kingston should be ashamed of this imho, GG for GSkill and Corsair) but PR stuff like "x company leads DRAM overclocking" I cannot approve, or like, or back-up.


@Pieter - could you pull out some data from the database? Like DDR1, DDR2 and DDR3 top 10 memory vendors by nr of submissions but also specify the number of results where the ram is nor declared in the submission? I am curious and I don't have the patience to do the math by hand as I did above :)

But also, if we are talking about supporting overclocking - Pieter - could you make a statistics regarding memory Brand used in Live OC competitions since 2007? Just like you did with the overclocker rankings?

websmile says:

Hmm, I don´t think this discussion refers to what I said - I don´t care who claims to dominate ddr3 oc, I care about what I get for my money if I search good oc mems, and after testing hundreds and hundreds of kits of nearly all ics ( I left out most Hynix), the around 50 Kingston kits I tested were sub par on performace, no matter if Hyper, BBSE or their highend series on which they used BDBG when PSC would have done the job better. A few Kingston kits did a good job, I had very good 2333s, some nice psc values for example, but compared to what I got from PNY, Team, G.Skill, Corsair or A-Data and SuperTalent for example on various ics, the Kingstons were worse. I appreciate the work Kingston invests in records and oc events and see them moving into a direction I like, the sponsoring of events and the fact they make solid mems in terms of compability and reliabilty, but this doesn´t change my results... I test retails, no handbinned ProjectX for which special ics and equipment are given to good ocer to bin them, no review samples handpicked, no comp kits prebinned from hundreds of samples :). A company that obviously cares about oc, and has the knowhow to produce worldrecord breaking mems like Kingston should do better on their oc models at retails, that´s what my criticism is about..

Romania Monstru says:

And you are right, since they are MUCH more focused on gaming then OC and that is easy to see from the numbers I posted above.

But what I argued about was the PR claim "leads DRAM overclocking". Cause I am sick of PR claims (like 6 ppl "world championship"). Nothing else.

Belgium Massman says:

I'll look it up, Monstru.

Fyi, G.SKILL has a DDR3-4404 submission. It's not showing up on the Memory Clock Hall of Fame because Team.AU has a better one with Kingston.




//edit: pulled the rough data


2310 HyperX 2573743 sofos1990
2283 HyperX 2559133 Hicookie
2267 HyperX 2559142 TeamAU
2257 HyperX 2559138 TeamAU
2235 HyperX 2559137 TeamAU
2202 G.SKILL 2411631 TeamAU
2166 HyperX 2525578 gnidaol
2158 Corsair 2500629 Wizerty
2156 TeamGroup 2421180 CherV
2153 ADATA 2428807 The Overclocking Knights
2145 Corsair 2389114 NickShih
2145 G.SKILL 2388835 Hiwa
2143 TeamGroup 2388452 NickShih
2142 G.SKILL 2388115 Hiwa
2141 G.SKILL 2567154 DFORDOG
2141 HyperX 2425760 marmott
2131 Corsair 2428908 CtrlFix
2127 HyperX 2447361 Splave.ROM
2127 G.SKILL 2388506 Christian Ney
2126 HyperX 2559169 DFORDOG
2121 G.SKILL 2558534 Xtreme Addict
2121 G.SKILL 2558535 Xtreme Addict
2120 Corsair 2428540 CtrlFix
2120 Avexir 2425044 Splave.ROM
2119 Kingston Technology 2444637 Splave.ROM
2117 G.SKILL 2528547 Splave.ROM
2116 G.SKILL 2386635 Christian Ney
2109 Corsair 2419226 The Overclocking Knights
2109 Kingston Technology 2441903 Splave.ROM
2106 Kingston Technology 2443821 gnidaol

Top-30 Memory Clock

-12x Kingston/HyperX
- 9x Gskill
- 5x Corsair
- 2x Teamgroup
- 1x Avexir
- 1x Adata

Belgium Massman says:

Monstru said: @Pieter - could you pull out some data from the database? Like DDR1, DDR2 and DDR3 top 10 memory vendors by nr of submissions but also specify the number of results where the ram is nor declared in the submission? I am curious and I don't have the patience to do the math by hand as I did above :)

But also, if we are talking about supporting overclocking - Pieter - could you make a statistics regarding memory Brand used in Live OC competitions since 2007? Just like you did with the overclocker rankings?


1) DDR1/2/3 submissions by vendor below. It's not easy to calculate the amount of submissions without memory vendor because that would require me to define the platforms for each memory. The dataset size might help:

- DDR1: about 20k results
- DDR2: about 50k results
- DDR3: about 235k results

2) Sure, I can go over the list of live overclocking events and check for the memory support. I recall Kingston supporting some MOA events in the past, Adata did GOOC. Gskill only did their own OC event so far I believe ... (and maybe something soon lol).








France marmott says:

you should keep the colour code across the charts :D

Belgium Massman says:

Haha, yeah ... this is just a data dump in the forum. Not a PR.

I looked up the memory vendor for top-100 Memory Clock for DDR3. Here's the list:

- 36x Kingston/HyperX
- 35x G.SKILL
- 11x Corsair
- 7x ADATA
- 5x TeamGroup
- 4x Avexir
- 2x Apacer

Romania Alex@ro says:

Well yeah,this is regarding memory clock wich aside bragging feels no interest for many overclockers.Could you compile the data in spi 32M and other memory benchmarks?I'm pretty sure the results will be extremely interesting!

Romania Monstru says:

And SPI32M for somebody benching Fire Strike Extreme could also be considered as no interest or just bragging. And so can the CPU clock...and even all overclocking that does not require stability. After all who cares about an unstable CPU that can run PI 1M and nothing else, right =)) ? No... overclocking is overclocking, and all categories have their point, including DDR clock, CPU clock and so on.

GSKill obviously does not lead DRAM overclocking (another thing...they could have said DDR3, not DRAM...cause they have few results on DDR2 and DDR1). GSkill is the most used DDR3 brand recorded on HWBot , that's for sure. They may also be the best PI32M RAM at the time (or in the last 2 years) - I agree with that.

What I am saying is focus on the achievements they have and cut the PR bull...


Anyway, leaving the obvious matters aside, the statistics are very interesting and show what manufacturers did as far as OC is concerned in the last years.


OCZ dropped in a horrible way and into oblivion, from 18% DDR1 to 14% DDR2 to almost nothing.

Kingston had a slight rise on DDR2 era (though it beats me if I remember EVER touching a Kingston DDR2 kit) from 13% to 15% and then dropped to 12% on DDR3.

Corsair were DDR1 kings, as overclockers are concerned, with 29%, then they dropped to 13% on DDR2 (maybe the Crucial and Team Group DDR2 had something to do with this) and are now the second most used DDR3 brand by overclockers with 23%.

GSkill had the most spectacular increase, from 5% DDR1 to 8% DDR2 to a whopping 31% on DDR3!!! Go ask for a raise Frank, you did a good job!

TaPaKaH says:

How does one actually define "leads DRAM overclocking"? It can be:
- having #1 spots in raw freq ranks;
- being most commonly used mem within overclockers' subgroup;
- selling the most pre-overclocked DRAM products;
- something else and/or a combination of the above.
Since there is no clear definition for this term, everyone can claim leadership in their own right. After all, this is marketing.

Speaking of G.Skill, my personal opinion is that their DDR3 success with BBSE and PSC is a result of luck rather than strategic planning. I'm not sure if they could see Ivy Bridge or Haswell's IMC demands coming back in 2009-2010 when they were actually pushing PSC specs with 2400C8 and the like. Back then it was more of a marketing game against Corsair's GTX series. Those kits turned out to be relevant (for benching) only a couple of years later, when PSC stocks were exhaled and there was nothing they could do about it.
On Hynix and Samsung they are not much (if at all) better than any of their competitors. Their only positive achievement is spamming with specs across various lineups thus making low-binned models relatively affordable.

Belgium Massman says:

About the word "leading: "ECS, Elitegroup Computer System, the global leading motherboard manufacturer today announces that all of its 8 series motherboards offer support for the New 4th Generation Intel® Core™ Haswell Refresh Processors." (~ http://www.ecs.com.tw/ECSWebSite/Media/NewsRoom_Detail.aspx?NewsID=1647&MenuID=45&LanID=9)

Australia Dinos22 says:

Massman said: About the word "leading:

"ECS, Elitegroup Computer System, the global leading motherboard manufacturer today announces that all of its 8 series motherboards offer support for the New 4th Generation Intel® Core™ Haswell Refresh Processors." (~ http://www.ecs.com.tw/ECSWebSite/Media/NewsRoom_Detail.aspx?NewsID=1647&MenuID=45&LanID=9)


uffffff

Belgium Massman says:

Alex@ro said: Well yeah,this is regarding memory clock wich aside bragging feels no interest for many overclockers.Could you compile the data in spi 32M and other memory benchmarks?I'm pretty sure the results will be extremely interesting!


Checking the 100 best SuperPI 32M submissions with DDR3 memory. The breakdown.




Honestly speaking, I think when it comes to DDR3 G.SKILL can definitely say it's leading the market in at least some areas. It had the highest memory frequency before the LN2 board hit with Kingston, it has almost as much submissions in top-100 memory clock and 59% of the top-100 superpi are with their modules.

Australia Dinos22 says:

Yeah G.Skill should be able to say that, albeit somewhat by accident (PSC, BBSE were flops at launch and definitely wrong ICs for that chipset at the time) but they did have a great Samsung IC before everyone and sort of had the most sense of what is going on in last few years, much like Corsair used to know back in the day when Bachus Anonym was their resident RAM IC R&D guy. Kingston has the most resources and now employs marmott and gnidaol who know what focus the company has to have in performance range but they need to string this together now into retail gear that is performance oriented and has a decent price range. I expect to see Kingston improve a lot in this area in the next 12 months...

Belgium Massman says:

Bachus' GTX2 was amazing!

Australia Dinos22 says:

I've gotten a lot of RAM from him, everything he binned was kick ass

Romania Monstru says:

Massman said: About the word "leading:

"ECS, Elitegroup Computer System, the global leading motherboard manufacturer today announces that all of its 8 series motherboards offer support for the New 4th Generation Intel® Core™ Haswell Refresh Processors." (~ http://www.ecs.com.tw/ECSWebSite/Media/NewsRoom_Detail.aspx?NewsID=1647&MenuID=45&LanID=9)


This is exactly why I don't approve of this type of press releases :))

United States sin0822 says:

Massman said: About the word "leading:

"ECS, Elitegroup Computer System, the global leading motherboard manufacturer today announces that all of its 8 series motherboards offer support for the New 4th Generation Intel® Core™ Haswell Refresh Processors." (~ http://www.ecs.com.tw/ECSWebSite/Media/NewsRoom_Detail.aspx?NewsID=1647&MenuID=45&LanID=9)


technically they do manufacturer a lot of motherboards, doesn't mean they sell them themselves.

But yea g.skill is doing really damn well, especially in benchmakrs like Superpi.

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