Reminder! Windows 8/8.1 and Server 2012 NOT Allowed At HWBOT! (Microsoft still without fix)

Since it seems that people are slowly forgetting the problems with Windows 8 based operating systems, we want to highlight again that submissions on Windows 8, 8.1, and Server 2012 (and any other Windows 8 based OS') are not allowed at HWBOT. The problems with the RTC are still there as Microsoft has not issued a fix yet. Therefore, the Windows 8 benchmark result veracity remains compromised. The communicated moderating guidelines still apply.

Following our recent news item regarding Futuremark’s solution for the Windows 8 RTC bug, we have updated our HWBOT moderation guidelines. They now include exceptions for Futuremark benchmarks with ORB link and System Info 4.20. The updated rules:

  • All new Windows 8 benchmark results will be blocked, including for on-going competitions
  • Existing Windows 8 based benchmark submissions will be blocked if seemingly out of line or world record or top score.
  • Existing Windows 8 based benchmark submissions will not be blocked or removed if they don't meet the requirements above
  • Existing Windows 8 based benchmark submissions will not be blocked or removed if they were made on an AMD system (New ones will be blocked)

Exceptions to the Windows 8 rule:

  • non-overclockable notebooks may be used in combination with Windows 8
  • 3DMark and PCMark runs on Windows 8 if an ORB Link is included, using SystemInfo 4.20 (or above) (official download), and the timer is not off (see verification link).

We have updated all the individual benchmark pages to include the restriction on Windows 8 based operating systems.

Note: if you wish to include a Windows 8 based benchmark result in your HWBOT account, disable points and ranks when submitting the result. This will exclude your result from interfering with any ranking or point algorithm.

Thanks for your understanding!

If you want to read more about the Windows 8 issues, you can refer to our original coverage here


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Belgium Massman says:

Take note everyone!

Puerto Rico chispy says:

Thank you very much Pieter !

Kind Regards: Angelo

Finland FM_Jarnis says:

we recommend using the *latest* available SystemInfo, the 4.20 you linked there is already old. Here is always-updating link to the latest SystemInfo. Benchmarks (well, 3DM11, 3DM, PCM7 and PCM8) also notify you of updates to this if you have network connection when starting up. http://www.futuremark.com/downloads/Futuremark_SystemInfo/latest

United Kingdom No1Spank says:

The first week I started benching and loading scores I dived straight in and was unaware of any problems with windows 8. I only did a few benches with it on my laptop all other scores are on 7 and XP. Should I edit my laptop submissions ticking the I do not want point for this submission box then all will be well?

Germany Don_Dan says:

Laptop submissions are okay as long as the BCLK wasn't changed / the system wasn't overclocked.

Iran Mehdi_FXX says:

better to show befor sumbit results for everyone

United Kingdom No1Spank says:

Thanks, processor can't be overclocked on my laptop as far as I know.

Christian Ney says:

No1Spank said: The first week I started benching and loading scores I dived straight in and was unaware of any problems with windows 8. I only did a few benches with it on my laptop all other scores are on 7 and XP.

Should I edit my laptop submissions ticking the I do not want point for this submission box then all will be well?


Laptops submissions are ok as stated in the news as long as the bus clock cannot be changed on the laptop used.

FM_Jarnis said: we recommend using the *latest* available SystemInfo, the 4.20 you linked there is already old.

Here is always-updating link to the latest SystemInfo. Benchmarks (well, 3DM11, 3DM, PCM7 and PCM8) also notify you of updates to this if you have network connection when starting up.

http://www.futuremark.com/downloads/Futuremark_SystemInfo/latest


Already changed.

Australia Dinos22 says:

oh so despite the FM sysinfo we are still skipping it. OK fair enough. Good you made a post as i was going to do some OS comparisons. Saves me wasting time

United States Luke says:

One would think that the most elite benchmark site has found a workaround for this by now. It's been how many months?

Belgium Massman says:

It's all in the OS. Most benchmarks rely on the default timer to get time information. For XTU we have the best solution since the benchmark now uses a different timer. Futuremark's suite is okay too, but you need to update SI, include the verification link and check the link. Other benchmarks aren't as sophisticated and/or cannot be updated that easily.

France Wizerty says:

For those who can't change OS, or want to try something "new", is it possible to make a really light software, automatically launch at startup, and showing the value of the bus ? ------------------- Example : I set 125 bclk in bios, then I save setting mobo start, load OS and the software read the bus value, open a small windows in the corner and show this value "125 * . Then two possibility : a° if I change bclk, using os tool, rog connect... the value in the soft and the value in cpu-z will be different -> screen refuse b° the software read value every 10s (example) and display, in the corner, the "min bus value", the "boot bus value" and "max bus value". If min/max are far from boot value, you remove the screen. Not sure it's clear enough, but it's probably not so hard to do it, and if overclocker don't want to used this soft -> xp / vista / seven, if they really want to use 8, they need to show this windows on the screen. Idea is, if you can't have a tool "inside the benchmark" (like for xto or 3dm), make an external tool working for all other benchmark

GENiEBEN says:

You can't have control over it, people MIGHT or MIGHT NOT run it before the benchmark, so it would be unreliable. This should be implemented in CPU-Z instead, where it would probe two timers and if both are equal then we are all good.

France Wizerty says:

You can force the software to start automatically.

Install it, need reboot to launch it and then can't kill it or if you kill it (processus..) can't restart it without reboot.

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Two timer -> Same issue than my proposal a° ?
If I boot @125Mhz *20 = 2500Mhz
then go to OS, drop coef to 15 and increase bclk @ 166 -> 2500mhz
Launch the bench @166 and then, set 125*20.
Start CPU-Z and screen, what's happened ?
Cpu-z will report wrong timer or not ? don't know how it works, if it compare timer only when cpu-z is launch or since the boot ?

United States Luke says:

GENiEBEN said: You can't have control over it, people MIGHT or MIGHT NOT run it before the benchmark, so it would be unreliable. This should be implemented in CPU-Z instead, where it would probe two timers and if both are equal then we are all good.


Something like this is exactly what needs to be implemented. That or just consider it fair game. Reminds me of physx and tessellation tweaks. Where there is a will, there is a way someone is going to cheat. But if you make everyone aware of the cheat/tweak, it levels the playing field for all. I wonder if Windows 9 will have same clock issue; I bet it does.

United States MetalRacer says:

Massman said: Take note everyone!


Everyone?

http://hwbot.org/submission/2443242_massman_hwbot_prime_2x_xeon_e5_2690_v2_10841.05_pps

Belgium Massman says:

Owh! Disabled points!

Brazil Rbuass says:

Question,,,
If was comproved that the scores with W8 and W8.1 is not reliable, why don't remove all W8 scores?
Suppose one score with W8 score, impossible to be beat with W7?....
This score will remain as WR... nobody can beat with W7... and nobody can use W8...
I did not check all scores, all benchs and so on... but looks for Hwbot need to remove all "bugged" W8 scores.

Just my 2 cents

France Akira028 says:

Hi,

Why Futuremark's SystemInfo can't be used with other benchmarks to ensure there is no cheating with the RTC clock?

Belgium Massman says:

The SystemInfo component only works in combination with 3DMark/PCMark. In addition, the information from systeminfo can only be viewed online. So Futuremark would have to make a stand-alone SI version which can upload logs to the site without linked to a specific benchmark.

United States [GF]Duke says:

So if there are no screenshots on benches like Aquamark or Heaven or Catzilla. How do we know if the right os is being used?

Germany Moose83 says:

No screenshoot, no valid score;)

Belgium Massman says:

Aquamark and Heaven require a screenshot; Catzilla should have a verification link leading to a page with the operating system.

Australia FatBoyNotSoSlim says:

Confirming this is still the case.

Exceptions to the Windows 8 rule: non-overclockable notebooks may be used in combination with Windows 8 3DMark and PCMark runs on Windows 8 if an ORB Link is included, using SystemInfo 4.20 (or above) (official download), and the timer is not off (see verification link).
It's been awhile, and I want to be sure.

Australia newlife says:

FatBoyNotSoSlim said: Confirming this is still the case.



It's been awhile, and I want to be sure.


It's still the case and XTU is allowed with win 8/10 as well

Belgium Massman says:

XTU is allowed; 3DMarks are allowed if you provide a link with latest SI + there is no timer measurement error

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