To All Country Cup Participants: "Avoid Clockblocking Your Team Mates!"

Over the past days we received a couple of questions related to the same problem. In short, users complain that their score is not taking into account for the country average of a specific stage. At first sight it would seem that the HWBOT Competition Engine is making a mistake (or has a bug), but in fact that is not the case. It is simply a matter of "friendly fire" or, the term I prefer, Clock blocking.

As I mentioned when the competition started: the engine is not so smart, and will not do the strategic work for you. What the engine does, is select the best scores for each stage limitation, then filters out the best submission per user. In practical terms, that means you have to decide what setup you contribute with in each stage of the Country Cup! Let's explain this using a concrete and practical example.

For Germany, Saturas wants to contribute in the 3DMark03 stage with a PCI graphics card. The score is 955 marks, and should be accounted for as part of the German average. When we look at the German average for that stage, however, see that neither Saturas nor a PCI score is included. Why? Because Axl is clock blocking Saturas and his score.

When we search for the best German PCI result, we find Axl's 3972 marks with the GeForce 9100M G linked to the Country Cup. This is Germany's best result with a PCI graphics card, and thus the engine considers this the entry for the German team. But Axl is already contributing with a Hybrid card and a score of 29957 points. The engine considers this the best score of Axl, and thus his contribution to the German average. And here we can see the clock block: both Axl's Hybrid and PCI score are being accounted for as the country's best, but of course only one of them is actually contributing to the average!

The solution is simple. Axl and Saturas have to agree on who is going to pull their score from the competition. Is there someone else who can improve the Hybrid submission? Perhaps Axl's PCI score will be the most useful for the country? The Country Cup is not just about finding the right gear to compete with, but also a matter of strategy and tactics.

Good luck all!


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Belgium Massman says:

I suspect this is not only happening in the German team. Communication is key in the Country Cup!

Indonesia Lucky_n00b says:

Good Point! Nice info mass ;)

United Kingdom borandi says:

"What the engine does, is select the best scores for each stage limitation, then filters out the best submission per user"

Wouldn't it be better to do it the other way around? Filter by best user submission, then select the best scores? That means it is up to the individual to make sure only their best score is the one that counts, rather than their team-mates harassing them

Indonesia bboyjezz says:

Thanks for the info,Massman

Germany der8auer says:

Thanks for that!

Puerto Rico chispy says:

Thank you for the heads up and explanation Pieter.

Strunkenbold says:

Well the way the engine manage results is atleast to say interesting. But in our specific case the Problem is that this geforce 9100 is an igp. www.nvidia.co.uk/object/geforce_9100m_g_mgpu_uk.html

Belgium Massman says:

Strunkenbold said: Well the way the engine manage results is atleast to say interesting. But in our specific case the Problem is that this geforce 9100 is an igp. www.nvidia.co.uk/object/geforce_9100m_g_mgpu_uk.html


:celebration:

Looked at this for hours and couldn't figure it out. Fixed it, and owe you a beer.

Bulgaria GunGod says:

Tactic ok, what about you don't know all the people that submit scores for your country ? Anyone can submit score right? So since one geek can submit one score in each stage you had to fix your code :P

Canada Vinster says:

GunGod said: Tactic ok, what about you don't know all the people that submit scores for your country ? Anyone can submit score right? So since one geek can submit one score in each stage you had to fix your code :P


I was wondering this as well.

Vin

Sweden The Mutt says:

Look at USAs submissions for Stage3 then, both 6990 and 6950 scores count. Where is the logic in that? ;-)

Belgium leeghoofd says:

Splave already asked that it must be adjusted... admins will have heaps of work upcoming weekend :p

Strunkenbold says:

Massman said: :celebration:

Looked at this for hours and couldn't figure it out. Fixed it, and owe you a beer.


Glad I could help.

Do you red this?

When combining a discrete GPU (GeForce 9300M GS or GeForce 9200M GS) with GeForce 9100M G motherboard GPU, GeForce Boost technology kicks in for an increase of performance. This results in a higher discrete GPU class performance.


More alternatives in the hybrid stage. :D
Still needs to be fixed in db...

Belgium Massman says:

Strunkenbold said: More alternatives in the hybrid stage. :D
Still needs to be fixed in db...


Not if it doesn't become a SKU by itself.

Belgium Massman says:

The Mutt said: Look at USAs submissions for Stage3 then, both 6990 and 6950 scores count. Where is the logic in that? ;-)


That would be a bugged logic, looking into it!

United Kingdom borandi says:

borandi said: "What the engine does, is select the best scores for each stage limitation, then filters out the best submission per user"

Wouldn't it be better to do it the other way around? Filter by best user submission, then select the best scores? That means it is up to the individual to make sure only their best score is the one that counts, rather than their team-mates harassing them


Re-QFT :)

Canada Rasparthe says:

I agree with Borandi and this should be changed, there is too much chance of "unintentional" abuse by members. (Its a good thing this runs in Nov/Dec and not April 1) What to stop myself from changing country banner and just putting up scores intentionally set up to block submissions, especially in this format where it of the utmost importance to have a stage filled. If the system was set up to only take your best score and disregard the rest no matter which platform its on, then it would be up to the member to decide to remove a better score to fill a stage. It doesn't seem right that a country can have a valid score that doesn't count towards your submissions simply because someone refuses/unable to remove the score that's causing the block. Perhaps too late for this run of the Country Cup but something to consider for next year.

Strunkenbold says:

Massman said: Not if it doesn't become a SKU by itself.


Yup it really becomes one:
http://www.notebookcheck.net/NVIDIA-GeForce-9400M-GeForceBoost.33759.0.html

Not sure if ever one reached the market, though I saw multiple deviceIDs in our 9400M category.

Belgium Massman says:

Strunkenbold said: Yup it really becomes one:
http://www.notebookcheck.net/NVIDIA-GeForce-9400M-GeForceBoost.33759.0.html

Not sure if ever one reached the market, though I saw multiple deviceIDs in our 9400M category.


Whoah! That's great hunting! :ws:

Added the category: http://hwbot.org/hardware/videocard/geforce_9400m_geforceboost/

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