Lab501 Demoes Upcoming SF3D/EKWB CPU Pot During ASUS Extreme Overclocking Party 2013

This news post is a little bit overdue as Monstru (from Lab510) already posted some pictures of the (retail?) new SF3D Inflection point package contents on his facebook page some time ago. We present you the news now because Lab501 just posted a news item about their Extreme Overclocking Party experience. Although we love seeing a good extreme overclocking gathering (beer, pizza and nitrogen), our attention mainly went to the pictures of that new CPU pot and the way it mounts on the motherboard.

We have included a couple of pictures below. For more pictures and detail, check out the article at Lab501 (click) or the ranslated version of that article (click).


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Belgium Massman says:

http://hwbot.org/newsflash/2056_lab501_demoes_upcoming_sf3dekwb_cpu_pot_during_asus_extreme_overclocking_party_2013

Looks like a neat meeting!

For your information, the reason why you can see ice and frost on the bottom part of the cooling unit is because the boys from Lab501 did not use the heater element that is included with the pot and what it is designed for to prevent. The room must have been quite humid, which makes frost inevitable.

Looking forward to see how the heating element will prevent frost and condensation.

says:

it'll just turn it into water lol

Australia AUST DeVinE says:

as you screw that big nut down does it twist the pot? my guess is yes.

and yes their is a very good reason they didnt use the heater thing

Canada Vinster says:

Looked like a fun time

GENiEBEN says:

Link to the article is not valid ;)

Finland The Stilt says:

Is the mounting system made of aluminum or plastic? In any case I seriously doubt there are any suitable heating elements which could prevent the ice forming. A 1.5kg copper pot cooled down to -186°C in 25°C ambient has stored ~ 122000J (W/s) of energy. Some serious insulation would be required between the mounting system, motherboard and the pot to completely prevent the ice formation on the mounting system.

Germany der8auer says:

Does it just look like it or is the bottom diameter realy that small? Looks fine for 1155 but not sure about 2011 or server CPUs

United States Bobnova says:

Amount of stored energy has little to nothing to do with energy transferred to the PCB. That's all about conduction.

TaPaKaH says:

Personally, I see no point in having this fancy attachment other than just for the sake of being different (=marketing).
For a questionable benefit of having a firmer mount it seems a lot less flexible on CPU changes and takes extra devices/brain activity to get going.

Greece hipro5 says:

The Stilt said: Is the mounting system made of aluminum or plastic? In any case I seriously doubt there are any suitable heating elements which could prevent the ice forming. A 1.5kg copper pot cooled down to -186°C in 25°C ambient has stored ~ 122000J (W/s) of energy. Some serious insulation would be required between the mounting system, motherboard and the pot to completely prevent the ice formation on the mounting system.
Agree 100%. You just CAN'T prevent FREEZE to come out of a plastic material (whatever plastic/ertalon/teflon, etc.). You will definately have ice/water all over the place, UNLESS you put some stuff which: a. is like it is now contacting with the mass cooper. b. put the heating resistor OUTSIDE the plastic material to heat it c. make an "air gap" between the heating resistor and to ANOTHER plastic material which will be OUTSIDE the FIRST plastic material. ALL of the above MUST take place, NOT to have ice/water outside of the insulation. All others are just marketing stuff. Also "as is" this constraction, heating resistors will just do NOTHING at that cold. Work it or not, it won't do anything. I'm sorry that I have to say that, BUT this insulation technique IS DANGERUS as for the motherboard AND the rams. :(

K404 says:

When I saw all the pics, there were some things I wasn't sure of...but.... It's Petri and EK. They know what they're doing, right? :) I'll at least wait for people to use the pot before I "have an opinion" :)

Greece hipro5 says:

K404 said: When I saw all the pics, there were some things I wasn't sure of...but.... It's Petri and EK. They know what they're doing, right? :) I'll at least wait for people to use the pot before I "have an opinion" :)
"One picture - A thousand words" as they say.... ;)

Australia Jimba says:

hipro5 said: "One picture - A thousand words" as they say.... ;)


+1

experienced users opinion is the best you can get without using it yourself.. right?:D

Greece hipro5 says:

When I was playing with Dothan CPU which actually was my FIRST CPU that could do -190*C for HOURS of benching, I figured out that at THAT LOW temps, you NEED AT LEAST 3cm THICK insulation not to have freezings outside it. ;) With plastic? - Just FORGET IT. Though a good option if someone doesn't want to use "foammy insulation", is to use.............wood instead - YES WOOD (a specific one)........ ;) EDIT: Why don't you use the below pic to see what REALLY happens?

United States sin0822 says:

you guys don't use fans to keep away the frost? lol I actually have trouble building up the frost, i am not sure why, even at AMD event when i wanted to make it look cool and i was as low as i could go in temperatures for hours i still wasn't able to build up enough frost to make it look nice. IDK though an electric heating pad idea isn't so new, they used to use it with peltiers, however it might not be a bad thing to have in your arsenal anyways. whats up hipro!

Greece FireKillerGR says:

+1 sin0822 I am sad :( I cant build towers of ice when benching :'(

United States Splave says:

sin0822 said: you guys don't use fans to keep away the frost? lol I actually have trouble building up the frost, i am not sure why, even at AMD event when i wanted to make it look cool and i was as low as i could go in temperatures for hours i still wasn't able to build up enough frost to make it look nice.

IDK though an electric heating pad idea isn't so new, they used to use it with peltiers, however it might not be a bad thing to have in your arsenal anyways.

whats up hipro!


Maybe low humidity where you were

United States sin0822 says:

yea perhaps it was AMD HQ during AMD day, i would think all those people would have brought up the temp a bit, but yea it was texas, nice a dry.

Canada Vinster says:

sin0822 said: yea perhaps it was AMD HQ during AMD day, i would think all those people would have brought up the temp a bit, but yea it was texas, nice a dry.


AC buildings remove humidity from the air... bet that was your battle.

Vin

Finland The Stilt says:

The fans do help. The ice will still easily penetrate through a 2cm thick Armaflex insulation, atleast if you do a 'full pot' run which lasts for hours. And thats in Finland where the air humidity is relatively low through the year. A multilayer insulation is a bit better, I usually use: loosely wrapper thick paper towels -> Armaflex -> loosely wrapper thick paper towels. Bubble wrap works great too (air pockets). The original SF3D Inflection Point pot is a PITA to run because of the mounting system. The hold-down plate is machined out of 1.5cm thick solid aluminium plate. No matter how well you insulate it, it will gather a serious layer of ice very quickly. The ice will then be all over the system and inside the pot which will hurt the temperatures. Especially with a misplaced fan flowing to it.

Greece hipro5 says:

The Stilt said: ....The hold-down plate is machined out of 1.5cm thick solid aluminium plate. No matter how well you insulate it, it will gather a serious layer of ice very quickly. The ice will then be all over the system and inside the pot which will hurt the temperatures. Especially with a misplaced fan flowing to it.
.........wait!.........wait!.......You say that this base here:
is out of ALUMINUM and NOT plastic ALSO? :confused: .

Germany der8auer says:

No he was talking about the old Pot made by Ryba. The older version had a normal mounting plate out of 15 mm thick aluminium. The black base on this picture is made out of plastic

United States sin0822 says:

does that fit AM3+ and LGA2011 too?

I kind of want one of those heating pads, listen at computex can one of you guys sell me one? Call you tell me how much it will be and which one of you I have to hunt down? If it is possible I mean.

Finland SF3D says:

Hi all! Still having my long vacation in Spain and I got linked in to this "newspost". Some of you like to jump in to conclusions so easily. I can understand the reasons for it as there is a large bunch of people who like to bash this product before it is even really launched. Lab501 guys got ES 2D kit and used it in live event without any insulation and heaters. No one have ever claimed that there is some sort of method to prevent cold from conducting to POM. In my home tests I only needed one thin layer of armaflext tape around socket part and normal tube around pot and it was fine hours and hours. Tape was not even attached to base, only wrapped around it. Heaters + some slight insulation will be just fine. Well, this kind of talk was expected, but please, don't jump in to conclusions too quickly after one live event. Have a nice time with your hardware, I will do something else ;)

United States l0ud_sil3nc3 says:

towers of ice anyone?


Belgium leeghoofd says:

Which flavour Loud, seems vanilla :p

United States l0ud_sil3nc3 says:

Vanilla it is Leeg! It takes a few hours to build this amount of frost guys, maybe you are cutting your sessions a bit short:p Not to spam this thread so here is some Triple Point pics, love the mounting setup on it hoping the new rev can get a bit cooler though.

Belgium Massman says:

Are you using fans to sculpt the tower of ice?

United States l0ud_sil3nc3 says:

Massman said: Are you using fans to sculpt the tower of ice?


Just one fan PJ, as pictured. The key is to keep the memory pot full temp at all times, though the ice definitely follows the wind flow of the fan, looks pretty cool before it thaws.

United States sin0822 says:

looks good loud, but i want to buy that heat pad!

Romania Monstru says:

Well, we had a good time with the SF3D pots and I for one see no reason for concerns. Frost is ok as long as you insulate for that :)

@hipro5 - you are alive old man? Haven't seen you in a while. Man I missed those bolded comments :D

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