Heads-up regarding the GeForce GTX Titan and ongoing HWBOT competitions

Just a small heads-up for the overclockers that are currently active in the ongoing HWBOT competitions. The new Nvidia GeForce GTX Titan graphics card, announced yesterday and released today, can not be used in the EKWB "CPU Capped 3DMark – The old and the new" or the MSI 3DMark Challenge. Both competitions have progressed too far now and given that the availability of the graphics card might not be optimal, it's unfair to allow them in the competition. Both EK Water Blocks and MSI informed us to disallow the Titan.

For both the GIGABYTE Year of the Snake Prize Draw, a lucky draw event for those using the CPU-Z OC version, and the HWBOT Team Cup 2013, still over sixty days left and mostly about older hardware, the Nvidia GeForce GTX Titan can be used.

The competition pages have been updated accordingly to reflect the updated competition rules. Good luck all!


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Belgium Massman says:

No need to disallow it for the Team Cup - the only stage where it could be useful is the Live Performance Catzilla and Aquamark. But CatZilla is not available yet (just beta) and Aquamark will probably run smoother on older cards.

Slovenia tiborrr says:

Thank you for posting this, Pieter.

United States Bobnova says:

There's vantage to consider, too. I think Vince proved that Titan works well for that.

United States xxbassplayerxx says:

I promise I don't disagree with everything HWBot does!

But I do disagree with this :p

Anything with a PCI-E slot is going to get a huge boost from this in the Vantage stage. Not to mention, Newegg isn't showing any sort of availability until late March.

And I'm not about to drop $1K on a single card lol. Hopefully a few people on my team will, though!

Belgium Massman says:

I don't really see the issue. In the 3DMark03 stage it's obviously not allowed since the Titan was not released in 2012. In the Vantage stage every single stage apart from the Ivy/SBE one is completely CPU limited and you are allowed to use multi-gpu. With a couple of 7970s you can compete in all but one. CatZilla hasn't been released yet and Aquamark will probably do better on old cards. So from the 35 stages, there's only 2 stages affected by the Titan. Not that bad ...

United States Bobnova says:

Not that bad perhaps, but somewhat bad. I fail to see a good side to it though, making the bottom line bad.

Belgium Massman says:

It's easier not having to ban a card from the competition two months after the release. The bottom line is not bad ... it's two out of thirty-five stages that are possibly affected ... the effect of the Titan on the competition is marginal. This is just a discussion of policies, not of any real practical concern :).

Canada Rasparthe says:

I think that it may affect more than a couple of stages but that is your decision. The only reason I disagree, I thought it was historically a rule that if the hardware wasn't available at the beginning of the competition it wasn't allowed. In the interest of being consistent...

http://hwbot.org/forum/showpost.php?p=143309&postcount=299

Canada Dead Things says:

Just for fun, I'm going to leave this here: http://hwbot.org/forum/showpost.php?p=224235&postcount=13

United States xxbassplayerxx says:

Lol oops!

United States Bobnova says:

So what's it going to be? The post from early feb saying "As usual, not allowed as not released", or the new improved "Hey it's allowed cause it only screws up a couple stages!"?

Belgium Massman says:

It's always been allowed for Team Cup. It was disallowed for the EKWB and MSI competition.

United States Bobnova says:

Sure about that?


Belgium Massman says:

Yeah, of course it's only allowed in the stages it's not applicable for. In this case, only allowed SC4. See the first post in this thread - nothing changed. Not sure why so much confusion.

United States Bobnova says:

It was posted as a flat ban. Which fits previous years rules, and previous competition standards. Then you said it's allowed, but only useful in a couple stages. Now you say it's allowed only in stages it's not useful for. This is why I am confused, I've heard three different things now.

Belgium Massman says:

Am I reading a different announcement? - it's not allowed in MSI, EKWB competition - it's allowed in the Team Cup - it's not allowed in stages where the requirement is "must be available in 2012" (just like any other hardware released in 2013) So, essentially it's only useful for SC4, where there is no time-based limitation on the hardware.

United States Bobnova says:

How is "Titan will not be allowed in team cup" meaning "it's allowed in some places"?

Belgium Massman says:

Look at the reason, it specifies 2012, which relates to the thread it's posted in (SC3). Anyway, it's clear now, I think. No need to further waste e-space on this :)

United States Bobnova says:

SC3 doesn't have a time limitation on GPUs, though. So it's going to be rather useful in part of it wouldn't you say?

Poland ivanov says:

As far as I know HWB rules say that hardware to be allowed must be released before the competition starts. If hardware is released during the competition it is banned. Titan was released in half of February. And Team Cup started...? Well, for me it is rather obvious that Titan should be forbidden.

United States Bobnova says:

That's how pretty much every prior competition has been. That's certainly the standard.

Belgium Massman says:

Bobnova said: SC3 doesn't have a time limitation on GPUs, though. So it's going to be rather useful in part of it wouldn't you say?


Argh, you're right! (I shouldn't be doing this at 2AM)

But ... it's only going to be useful maybe two stages. Most old stuff will be CPU limited anyway and since you're allowed to use any amount of graphics cards you can easily get around Titan with 680, 7970 or 690.

You're not arguing here that 4x Titan is necessary to be the winniner in the 2010 Gulftown stage, I hope? The effect of Titan is almost insignificant on the competition.

United States Bobnova says:

I'd be pretty surprised, personally, if Titan didn't take at least the GT and IB SC3 stages.

Poland ivanov says:

Come on what are we talking about? The thing is not about usefuleness or unusefulness of Titan. The thing is about compliance to HWB rules. And according to them it is clear that Titan should be banned.

Belgium Massman says:

Alrighty then, by super popular demand let's not allow the Titan then. Removing the 8 results from the competition. All complaints can be send to "allowtitaninteamcup@hwbot.org". Now, let's get back to benching! Closing this thread too, I'll make the final announcement in the "Team Cup Update" news post.

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