Intel OEM engineers face five years in jail (for selling sample CPUs on the sly)

Guess you're warned ... ;-)

Four engineers working for Intel's OEM partners behind the bamboo curtain have been arrested trying to sell sample CPUs on Ebay.

The Taiwan Criminal Investigation Bureau swooped on the four in Taoyuan for their role in selling engineering sample CPUs online for fun and profit. Speaking to the China Post, a Bureau spokesman said the gang of four were all engineers working for Intel's OEM manufacturers in Taiwan although he did not say which ones.

The Bureau had a nose around the suspects' houses last month and confiscated 178 sample CPUs, which were reportedly worth around $800,000.

The suspects admitted that they had sold over 500 engineering sample CPUs since 2009 during initial investigations. Each of the CPUs were beta versions of the integrated circuits that are meant only to be used for compatibility qualification tests. Intel loans them to OEM manufacturers prior to commercial releases for product development. Any samples have strict non-disclosure agreements and are not for sale, the CIB said. But the samples are sold cheap and are quite popular because sometimes they have unlocked multipliers. The engineers are facing five years of porridge.


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Finland Mean Machine says:

If you feel five years is a bit much, come to Sweden and rape someone. Five times over.

Finland S@ber says:

4494$ per CPU!? Sounds much, but taiwan dollar seems to bee 30 times weaker :D So only ~150USD per cpu.

Poland ryba AICooling says:

Mean Machine said: If you feel five years is a bit much, come to Sweden and rape someone. Five times over.


Yeah, but in Sweden you have ***** hotels as a prisons :D

United States SteveRo says:

scary stuff.

TaPaKaH says:

anyone wants to buy a 990X ES ?

Belgium HybridChiller says:

holy crap

Canada Vinster says:

Seems a bit much...

Brazil Rbuass says:

Looking for cheap ES CPUs....lol

United States I.M.O.G. says:

Sam OCX said: anyone wants to buy a 990X ES ?


What clocks can it hit? :D

Belgium Massman says:

If all ES would clock like Sandy Bridge ES, we wouldn't have to look for them ...

United States sin0822 says:

hahah sooo true^^^ Last best ES=Gulftown. I wonder who this pertains too, how can you hide 100s of CPUs, unless maybe over time. The price is a bit much, but what about TW converted into USD and currency weight? Or maybe they go off ebay prices these guys sold the CPUs at? Like you see some very expensive ES CPUs being sold by some members... Extremely too high.

K404 says:

If people wouldn't pay it, they wouldn't charge that much.....

Czech Republic OBR says:

this is one of them, i know him personally ... but never bought es from him ... :) 1600 ES cpu sold, look at prices ... this guy is an millionaire ... but intel want money back ... http://feedback.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewFeedback2&userid=nafusica_tw&ftab=AllFeedback

United States sin0822 says:

How many people would pay that much on a product with no warranty and which is not even really yours and you can get arrested for? hahah BTW OMG nice way that guy was very discrete, right? lol I think the investigators had a lot of their job done for them! lol wow, just wow.

Norway knopflerbruce says:

It depends, SB never had a reputation of dying east and west like Gulftown CPUs. If the chip won't die, then who cares about warranty :D

United States Mr.Scott says:

OBR said: this is one of them, i know him personally ... but never bought es from him ... :)

1600 ES cpu sold, look at prices ... this guy is an millionaire ... but intel want money back ...

http://feedback.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewFeedback2&userid=nafusica_tw&ftab=AllFeedback

I see a few familiar names in his buyer list. ;)

United States hokiealumnus says:

Heh, this is exactly why Overclockers will never sell an ES CPU. We'll torture them until they die but never will they be sold!

Slovenia tiborrr says:

OBR said: this is one of them, i know him personally ... but never bought es from him ... :)

1600 ES cpu sold, look at prices ... this guy is an millionaire ... but intel want money back ...

http://feedback.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewFeedback2&userid=nafusica_tw&ftab=AllFeedback


I've also bought some old CPUs from him back in the day. Mostly because they were cheaper than retail :P

knopflerbruce said: It depends, SB never had a reputation of dying east and west like Gulftown CPUs. If the chip won't die, then who cares about warranty :D

SB can die very easily. 5.7GHz CPU worked OK for ~ 3/4 of year, all of the sudden it kills two Moonman boards (didn't know that at the time). I bring my board, we plug in the cpu followed by the blue smoke of death, here goes the third... :eek:

Christian Ney says:

Allowed to buy, not allowed to sell. Sam => Jail :D

Austria Turrican says:

Christian Ney said: Allowed to buy, not allowed to sell.

Sam => Jail :D

:D

Finland SF3D says:

Good sentence, because they did it long time and it was well organized. They propably get out in 2 years anyway. I hope they will catch all the rest of these sellers too. It is hard to compare this kind of crime to anything else. If you work on some car manufacturer and sell their test cars on ebay, it's kind of same thing.

Canada Vinster says:

OBR said: this is one of them, i know him personally ... but never bought es from him ... :)

1600 ES cpu sold, look at prices ... this guy is an millionaire ... but intel want money back ...

http://feedback.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewFeedback2&userid=nafusica_tw&ftab=AllFeedback


Did they already get him? he has nothing for sale.

Vin

United Kingdom debs3759 says:

According to The China Post, the Chinese Criminal Investigation Bureau are urging customers not to buy ES chips. They gotta be kidding, when you sometimes see them at half the cost of a regular OEM chip :)

Austria 0skill says:

OBR said: this is one of them, i know him personally ... but never bought es from him ... :)

1600 ES cpu sold, look at prices ... this guy is an millionaire ... but intel want money back ...

http://feedback.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewFeedback2&userid=nafusica_tw&ftab=AllFeedback


i know him too
i thought about buying a ES 980X from him but at socket 1366 time i didn't have enough money and later i bought a 1156 sys

Italy Atlas Rush says:

Let me know if he still sells CPUs or he's been arrested :D

Canada Vinster says:

Ciruzzo said: Let me know if he still sells CPUs or he's been arrested :D


Wondering here as well... he still has 0 items for sale... and was very busy up until a month ago..

Vin

Belgium Massman says:

Seems like Intel is really going hard on leaks now. Beware fellas!
https://www.facebook.com/fpiednoel/posts/10150620818707913 In all honesty, I like the idea of hunting down even those who offer pre-release samples to reviewers, but ... they shouldn't start a witchhunt. I don't see a problem when you get your hands on a pre-release hardware (as a reviewer/media) as long as you don't actually show it in public. It's good to have early access, because then at least you can do thorough testing before commenting on the product. Then again, I've heard this message from Intel a couple of times already. I'm eager to see how it will work out ...

Belgium Massman says:

Another issue is that Intel doesn't seem to stick to their own NDAs real tight, at least not across all offices. Some office will give an 'orange' light to leak something whereas the other will forbid it strictly. Also, there are confusing dates for media and ODMs.

Australia Dinos22 says:

Didnt Anandtech already review the platform lol

Belgium Massman says:

Sure. And they wrote: "Note: This preview was not sanctioned or supported by Intel in any way." Just so we know how priorities are ...

Denmark M.Beier says:

PJP, you could have hidden his name... It is his private profile, not official Intel spokesman to my knowledge....

Denmark M.Beier says:

Massman said: Sure.

And they wrote: "Note: This preview was not sanctioned or supported by Intel in any way."

Just so we know how priorities are ...


I did note that one, and I asked someone, you'll probably know who if that was really true...
The response was;
We are pissed

Belgium Massman says:

Fyi - http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?279566-i7-3770K-engineering-sample-landed-on-my-desk-today.&p=5068103&viewfull=1#post5068103 (I can remove the name ... but I think it's relevant to the message?)

Norway knopflerbruce says:

it's a public post, no need to remove any names.

I think it's good that they finally take care of this problem. Time to kick some asses!:D

Denmark M.Beier says:

knopflerbruce said: it's a public post, no need to remove any names.

I think it's good that they finally take care of this problem. Time to kick some asses!:D


Best thing would be if more CPUs end up at Intel Nordics office :p

United States hokiealumnus says:

Massman said: Fyi - http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?279566-i7-3770K-engineering-sample-landed-on-my-desk-today.&p=5068103&viewfull=1#post5068103

(I can remove the name ... but I think it's relevant to the message?)


Good to see him following up. Wonder if anything will happen to Anandtech & VR-Zone.

Belgium Massman says:

To Anandtech? Nothing. Seriously, they've been doing it for years ... :)

United States hokiealumnus says:

Well, I know that...but Francois is on the offensive!

Belgium Massman says:

Francois was on the offensive a few years back around i7 975/980X era. In the end, only one person almost got sued (I think) ... Boblemagnifique. I'm seriously interested in what will come of this :p (ps: that being said, count me in on helping to get this mess resolved. I'll help where I can)

United States sin0822 says:

The issue isn't so much websites I think pissed him off as much as the guy on XS who showed his Ivy Bridge CPU, OCed it, showed some crazy things, got a ton of attention. He wasn't a reviewer, just a guy who works for a company who builds systems. That is usually how it ends up going, we always get someone at the forums before launch with the hardware in hand through ways in which they legally didn't have to sign NDA either they bought it from a store or they got it from work. I just with INtel would give all the sites a fighting chance, they you always let andatech and some others post before launch, you totally mess up launch for others and piss a lot of the others sites off. Their reviews thus lose tons of potential hits. That being said I don't do Intel CPU reviews, but I can feel their pain. Either way issue is that these sites that posted probably didn't sign NDA, and didn't have INtel CPU from Intel, thus felt like they could and could.

Germany SoF says:

Well maybe Francois can explain me how to properly order retail CPUs for the OC-community...trying to get hold of somebody of Intel Germany since 2 weeks now but they successfully hide somewhere...even on Cebit there was a big booth but full of "apes" and nobody important...

They could easily solve that ES case with proper support for the power users.
As long as it is easier to get ES before release than a promise of Intel that CPUs for the power users will arrive on launch day...it might continue..

Italy Mafio says:

SoF said: Well maybe Francois can explain me how to properly order retail CPUs for the OC-community...trying to get hold of somebody of Intel Germany since 2 weeks now but they successfully hide somewhere...even on Cebit there was a big booth but full of "apes" and nobody important...

They could easily solve that ES case with proper support for the power users.
As long as it is easier to get ES before release than a promise of Intel that CPUs for the power users will arrive on launch day...it might continue..


QFT

same here in italy, pretty impossible to get in touch with Intel guys.

Christian Ney says:

@ SoF & Mafio

+1000

Germany SoF says:

Mafio said: same here in italy, pretty impossible to get in touch with Intel guys.


During sandybridge launch I made a funny call to Intel:
me: "I have ES laying here, I know what it can do - wanna order 12 pieces for the oc-guys of AF - we want to be under NDA and prepare our reviews - so I need the CPUs like 2 weeks before..."

Intel guy: "Uh that is really hard to realize, it is not that big order"

Me: "Ok, so you can read all results tomorrow on AF - how does that sound to you...seriously it is easier for me to get ES than retail - WTF?"

Intel guy: "Meeh, you can't do that"

Me: "I will do, that is a promise"

Intel guy: "let me see what I can do..."

2 minutes in the waiting-loop later

Intel guy: "Ok you will get the CPU for release but don't publish any results before NDA ends"

Me: "As long as you play fair with me, I play fair with you - pretty simple, right?"

Intel guy: "ok, I got your point - you'll have the CPUs around 2 weeks before launch. Good luck with the overclocking"

Me: "Now that sounds ok for me - gonna keep pushing it for sure ;) "

Not word by word but that was pretty much how it worked...

Italy Mafio says:

lol, well done sof :D
you are lucky, at least they answered you...here they use to not answer phone calls and don't reply to e-mails.
probably they have something better to do, like this ES witch-hunt. :D

United States Gunslinger says:

CPU support, man that would be nice.

TaPaKaH says:

I don't know what is best way to attract Intel's attention all over the world, but from what I've seen in more than one region - meeting responsible representatives in person during the exhibitions and their developer/press events and further communication via means like Skype (they all have it) and not @intel email works quite well.

However, it's very ambitious to think that they'll support you as an overclocker. Again, there are different rules in different regions, but their general priority seems to be exposure so regardless of how popular of an overclocker you are, a noob website easily scores more pagehits and therefore will always have a higher position on Intel's priority list.
Please also note that even though Intel make enough money to feed Francois with wine and sausages, their regional marketing departments work with a limited amount of ES chips, so not everyone can have a go at once. There are queues that stretch for months, at least in the Baltic region.

United States dumo says:

Cut all the middle men, email Paul O and ask for review samples....or wait till Neweeg post retail and pay and go and no problem, any overclocker power or noob can bin 100s of Ivy and noone can say shieat as long as you paid for retail cpu. This way probly Intel will send a free "loyal customer appreciation" certificate.

United States I.M.O.G. says:

Limited number of chips, every site wants one, and every overclocker wants one. I've never felt entitled, though I have felt frustrated. But when enthusiast sites that get over a million uniques a month aren't guaranteed chips and have to work hard at it as well, there are just going to be some sites, and some individuals, that don't get legit samples from Intel. There's only so many chips available to marketing.

Germany SoF says:

This was NOT about free chips - this was an official order. you got something wrong there...

It was about that they wanted us to buy at a different distributor for their prices, not intel prices.
And yes that guy got pretty nervous when I told him to publish results because of no confirmation of retail chips at launch.
refusing a 3500€ order with knowing people will publish results then can even get you in trouble at intel.
I mean what is the deal - getting money for selling chips and knowing the people are under heavy NDA then or refusing the order because it seems "so little money" and getting a nut-kick with complete results (this was way before anybody had 5.5+ published at all)...think about how would you explain that to your next higher person when working at intel.
this is much different from usual customer-business.

also you should read until the end...

Not word by word but that was pretty much how it worked...


Sure there is a certain level of exaggeration in that text, maybe you got that wrong as well...

United States sin0822 says:

so you basically blackmailed Intel into giving you CPUs lol, nice. They play dirty, i see no issue with you doing what you did.

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