HWBOT Announces Fifth Edition of Country Cup, 2013 Edition Starts November 1.

HWBOT Announces Fifth Edition of Country Cup, 2013 Edition Starts November 1.

Author: Pieter-Jan Plaisier

Just like any other year since 2009, HWBOT is hosting what our members refer to as the World Cup of Overclocking. This year, we celebrate the five-year anniversary of the Country Cup. The HWBOT Country Cup 2013 commences on November 1, and runs all the way until the end of December. In this period of two months, we are looking for the successor of last year’s victors, Greece.

As the Country Cup tradition prescribes, overclockers settle the competition across different stages. This year there are eight stages, each having their own hardware restrictions and unique point algorithm. In each stage, the national overclocking teams must compete for the best average result. The average is based on a specific part of the hardware configuration, and a pre-defined amount of required scores. The participating countries are ranked first by the amount of scores that contribute to the average, and then by the average itself. This means that it is primarily important to have enough scores to complete the average score.

The mission for the Country Cup is the same as last year. Find your peers, engage your compatriots, and cooperate for your country’s honor and glory!

The competition page is being prepared as I am writing this announcement. It will appear live soon! The stage information we can already provide, though …

  • Stage 1, Nov 1 – Dec 28, 3DMark 11 Performance Full Out: For this stage, all hardware is allowed. Per country, one score is required. The winner of the stage acquires 50 points.
  • Stage 2, Nov 1 – Dec 23, Cloud Gate 1xGPU (i7+NV): for this stage only Core i7 CPUs are allowed. The following video cards are allowed: GTX 670, GTX 570, and GTX 470. Per country three scores are required, one with each GPU. The winner of the stage acquires 40 points.
  • Stage 3, Nov 1 – Dec 23, Vantage Dual GPU (i5+AMD/ATI): for this stage only Core i5 CPUs are allowed. The following video cards families are allowed: Radeon HD 6000, Radeon HD 5000, and Radeon HD 4000. Per country three scores are required, one with each GPU family. The winner of the stage acquires 40 points.
  • Stage 4, Nov 1 – Dec 23, HWBOT Prime (i3/Pentium): For this stage, only Core i3 or Pentium CPUs are allowed. There is no restriction on the GPU. Per country, three scores are required, each with a unique CPU core. The winner of the stage acquires 40 points.
  • Stage 5, Nov 1 – Dec 19, Aquamark (AMD FX): For this stage, only AMD FX CPUs are allowed. There is no restriction on the GPU. Per country, five scores are required, each with a unique CPU core. The winner of the stage acquires 30 points.
  • Stage 6, Nov 1 – Dec 19, Catzilla 576P (AMD APU): for this stage only AMD APUs are allowed. You may only use the onboard APU. Per country, five scores are required, each with a unique GPU core. The winner of the stage acquires 30 points.
  • Stage 7, Nov 1 – Dec 19, 3DMark03 (legacy): For this stage, there is no restriction on either CPU or GPU. Per country, five scores are required, each with a unique GPU socket. The winner of the stage acquires 30 points.
  • Stage 8, Nov 1 – Dec 15, SuperPI 32M Low Clock Challenge: For this stage, there is no restriction on either CPU or GPU. The CPU frequency is capped at 4000.01 MHz. Per country seven scores are required, each with a unique CPU socket. The winner of the stage acquires 20 points.

You can find a clear overview of the stage details and requirements below.

StageScoresBenchmarkUnique itemCPU RestrictionGPU Restriction
Stage 1
(Nov 1 – Dec 28)
13DMark11 PerformanceN/AN/AN/A
Points: 50-41-36-32-30-28-26-24-22-20-19-18-17-16-15-14-13-12-11-10-9-8-7-6-5-4-3-2-1
Stage 2
(Nov 1 – Dec 23)
33DMark Cloud GateGPU modelCore i7GTX 670, GTX 570, GTX 470 (1xGPU)
Points: 40-33-29-26-24-22-20-19-18-17-16-15-14-13-12-11-10-9-8-7-6-5-4-3-2-1
Stage 3
(Nov 1 – Dec 23)
33DMark Vantage PerformanceGPU FamilyCore i5Radeon HD 6000, HD 5000, HD 4000 (2xGPU)
Points: 40-33-29-26-24-22-20-19-18-17-16-15-14-13-12-11-10-9-8-7-6-5-4-3-2-1
Stage 4
(Nov 1 – Dec 23)
3HWBOT PrimeCPU CoreCore i3 / PentiumN/A
Points: 40-33-29-26-24-22-20-19-18-17-16-15-14-13-12-11-10-9-8-7-6-5-4-3-2-1
Stage 5
(Nov 1 – Dec 19)
5AquamarkCPU CoreAMD FXN/A
Points: 30-25-22-19-18-17-16-15-14-13-12-11-10-9-8-7-6-5-4-3-2-2-1
Stage 6
(Nov 1 – Dec 19)
5Catzilla 576PGPU CoreAMD APUOnboard (1xGPU)
Points: 30-25-22-19-18-17-16-15-14-13-12-11-10-9-8-7-6-5-4-3-2-2-1
Stage 7
(Nov 1 – Dec 19)
53DMark03GPU SocketN/APCIe, AGP, PCI, Integrated, Hybrid (1xGPU)
Points: 30-25-22-19-18-17-16-15-14-13-12-11-10-9-8-7-6-5-4-3-2-2-1
Stage 8
(Nov 1 – Dec 15)
7SuperPI 32MCPU Socket4000.01 MHzN/A
Points: 20-16-14-13-12-11-10-9-8-7-6-5

The main participation rules of the Country Cup 2013 are the same as for the previous editions. An overclocker can only contribute once per stage. For a stage that requires five scores to form an average, five different overclockers have to contribute. Every country will receive a minimum of one point per stage it is active in, even if the target of minimum required amount of overclockers for the average is not achieved. The competition starts on November 1, 11:59AM GMT+0. Every stage ends at the same time of the day, 11:59AM GMT+0.

At the moment, we are finalizing the prize structure for the competition. Stay tuned!


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Belgium Massman says:

For those who'd like to know, I can run queries for each stage and compile a list of the "potentially" best choice for the Cup :D

India sumonpathak says:

do it xD

Australia Jimba says:

+1 Please do it sir all powerful.. :D

France Strat says:

Yeah do it please MM

Germany Don_Dan says:

Please DON'T do it, doing the research is part of the fun! :P

United States Mikecdm says:

Massman said: For those who'd like to know, I can run queries for each stage and compile a list of the "potentially" best choice for the Cup :D


I think that takes out part of the fun of trying to figure out the best hardware , but basic examples help avoid as much confusion.

Strunkenbold says:

Stage 7 unique gpu socket? pcie 1.0 - 3.0, agp 1.0 - 3.0, agp pro, pci...
Wonder how hwbot db will distinguish between these.

United Kingdom borandi says:

Strunkenbold said: Stage 7 unique gpu socket? pcie 1.0 - 3.0, agp 1.0 - 3.0, agp pro, pci...
Wonder how hwbot db will distinguish between these.


I think PCIe will all come under one heading, then AGP, Integrated, PCI. MM lists hybrid, which I guess is APU + AMD card?

Kazakhstan TerraRaptor says:

Stage 7 - will pcie x8/x4 be different sockets?)

Poland d3mox says:

TerraRaptor said: Stage 7 - will pcie x8/x4 be different sockets?)


It could be integrated GPU in motherboard :)

Sweden The Mutt says:

Is dual gpu cards allowed in stage 3? And exactly what is hybrid in stage 7?

Greece FireKillerGR says:

I think hybrid is used on laptops (and not only) when the inetgrated gpu is used for low load stuff and the dedicated gpu for games, etc. :)

United Kingdom borandi says:

No, Hybrid will be APU + GPU in hybrid crossfire.

Belgium leeghoofd says:

Lol PJ, 7 submissions, that ain't never gonna happen in Belgium :p

Sweden The Mutt says:

Yeah, all 5 & 7 submission stages are going to be tough to complete for Sweden...

Bulgaria I.nfraR.ed says:

Leeghoofd said: Lol PJ, 7 submissions, that ain't never gonna happen in Belgium :p


Yeah, push him to allow more than one submission per user :p
It will give higher chances for small countries.

NoMS says:

In stage 4, LGA775 Pentium are ok to use? :)

Belgium leeghoofd says:

I.nfraR.ed said: Yeah, push him to allow more than one submission per user :p
It will give higher chances for small countries.


If we can get overclex.net and pchardware.be onboard Belgium can manage it. However they are rather inactive for these kinds of competitions...

Bulgaria I.nfraR.ed says:

I don't think we have so much active overclockers at all :)

Poland d3mox says:

NoMS said: In stage 4, LGA775 Pentium are ok to use? :)


Theoretically yes, practically dunno :)

United Kingdom borandi says:

I'd prefer these competitions be like the ProOC cup - anyone from that country can submit a score and the best wins. Rather than fiddle about with who gets the most points in each sub-stage

Belgium Massman says:

To answer some of the questions, [list] Hybrid socket: as Borandi said, this is AMD's implementation of combining an APU with a discrete graphics card to create a new product name. More information can be found here. I think this is probably the most exotic category of this year's Cup, haha. Stage 8,7 submissions: agreed, this is quite a lot for most contries. Note that you will get 5 points anyway for starting to participate in that stage. So even if you have only 1 score, you still get 5 points. We added the low-clock challenge fully aware of the fact that it is more difficult to check the legitimacy (up/down-clock), hence why it is the lowest amount of points and only a 15pts difference between #1 and last. Hopefuly we can all respect each other in that stage and have fun! CC vs POC: the country cup puts a different focus on overclocking that the pro oc. The main aim is to include a broader group of people than with Pro OC. It's a tradition. [/list] What stages would you guys like hints for? I could list the available Hybrid categories. Apart from that, it should not be too difficult figuring out the best hardware for each stage I think.

Belgium Teemto says:

Looks like fun. Let the gathering of hardware begin!

United States l0ud_sil3nc3 says:

MM you made my day with the 5Ghz 32M stage, looking forward to this one and others:)

United Kingdom borandi says:

Hybrid categories please. AMD (+ CPU_World) are actually rather vague on Richland + 6-series/7-series GPU.

Poland d3mox says:

What about 5th GPU socket MM? PCIe, AGP, PCI, APU aaaand? Maybe Hybrid and APU is counting as other sockets?

United Kingdom borandi says:

d3mox said: What about 5th GPU socket MM? PCIe, AGP, PCI, APU aaaand?


Hybrid. APU + GPU.
http://www.cpu-world.com/info/AMD/Recommended_graphics_cards_for_AMD_dual-graphics.html

Poland d3mox says:

I know, but Hybrid is counting as 5th socket or what?

United Kingdom borandi says:

Yes, that's why I answered it to your question and MM states in post #22 as confirmation of OP that lists all five different setups.

GENiEBEN says:

Perhaps it will be wiser to restrict the Low Clock challenge to low-multi locked cpus, so there won't be any 'efficiency' masters.

United States Mikecdm says:

GENiEBEN said: Perhaps it will be wiser to restrict the Low Clock challenge to low-multi locked cpus, so there won't be any 'efficiency' masters.


Can always raise the bclk a notch or two. If someone wants to cheat, there is always a way. Raising to the next multi would be rather obvious.

GENiEBEN says:

Mikecdm said: Can always raise the bclk a notch or two. If someone wants to cheat, there is always a way. Raising to the next multi would be rather obvious.


Good luck going over the imposed 5GHz limit with a, say i3 2100?

TaPaKaH says:

1155 is just one of the platforms for that stage, and on it, the believable 5GHz efficiency limits are well-defined.
On older platforms like 775, 1156 and 1366 you'd be facing a much bigger freq verification issue since BCLK/FSB is so much easier to adjust and very few people have actually ever gone for 5GHz max efficiency with LN2 on memory.

Canada Rasparthe says:

Same rules as always about new hardware introduced during the competition? Thinking mostly of the new R9 290 cards and if they will be available before the Nov 1 start of the competition.

Czech Republic havli says:

[QUOTE=Massman;271919]To answer some of the questions, [list] [*][B]Hybrid socket[/B]: as Borandi said, this is AMD's implementation of combining an APU with a discrete graphics card to create a new product name. More information can be found [URL="http://www.cpu-world.com/info/AMD/Recommended_graphics_cards_for_AMD_dual-graphics.html"]here[/URL]. I think this is probably the most exotic category of this year's Cup, haha. [/list] [/QUOTE] Well, this could be a problem - hybrid CF doesn't support DX9... so 3DMark03 score should be the same as with single APU. [quote=CPU World]Dual Graphics works only with Direct X10 and Direct X11 graphics, and does not support Direct X9.[/quote]

Poland d3mox says:

Mikecdm said: Can always raise the bclk a notch or two. If someone wants to cheat, there is always a way. Raising to the next multi would be rather obvious.


Everyone could upload video from last 3 or 4 loops, maybe itthis option will work?

Sweden The Mutt says:

Is 290x allowed ?

India sumonpathak says:

^^this...

GENiEBEN says:

If it's launched before 1st of November, which I doubt.

Germany Moose83 says:

Leeghoofd said: If we can get overclex.net and pchardware.be onboard Belgium can manage it. However they are rather inactive for these kinds of competitions...


Albrecht, better manage to work on Belgium-Germany OC:D
That would be much easier:D

Indonesia placid says:

I'm newbie in HWBOT Prime benchmark. How to bench it? The download link does'n contain .exe, .com or something executable?

GENiEBEN says:

Install Java and double-click the .jar file (or thru cmd.exe, type java -jar hwbotprime.jar)

Australia Bullant says:

I think all the top 32M guys around are pretty honest and from what I've seen in the 5Ghz low clock challenge no one has been cheating.Im sure if a video was required the top guys would be happy to post video as I think most of them have posted video on older runs

Sweden The Mutt says:

I think most of the top 32m guys know what results are plausible and whitch is probably cheating. It would be great to have a competition that did not start with a cheating discussion. Why does it have to be so hard to stay within the rules and not cheat? I know I probably won't come close to the top scores but I will try my hardest, but cheating or not following the rules is not even a consideration beacause that would not give me the same satisfaction as if I managed to beat someone on the same terms.

Sweden The Mutt says:

Question about: Stage 5, Nov 1 – Dec 19, Aquamark (AMD FX): For this stage, only AMD FX CPUs are allowed. There is no restriction on the GPU. Per country, five scores are required, each with a unique CPU core. The winner of the stage acquires 30 points. Is this just Bulldozer and Piledriver with different core amount (for example fx-4100, fx-6100, fx-8150 and FX-6300, FX-8350) or do you have to find old Athlon 64 FX?

United Kingdom borandi says:

I'd assume just different FX CPUs, regardless of architecture. So 9590, 9370, 8350, 6350, 4350? 8320/8300/8150 for backups :D

TaPaKaH says:

"Unique CPU core" normally means you can't have two Bulldozers or two Visheras.
So you'd have to have one Bulldozer, one Vishera and then choose from Slegdehammer (FX51), Clawhammer (FX53, FX55), San Diego (FX55, FX57), Toledo (FX60), Windsor (FX62) and that awful FX72/FX74 crap they were making.

United Kingdom borandi says:

Wouldn't that be under 'Unique CPU Family?', like the 'GPU Family' requires one each from 4000/5000/6000 ? So that 'Core' is basically meaning 'CPU Name'

Canada Rasparthe says:

I took it as the older legacy FX chips are to be used. It says unique CPU core, the CPU core is Vishera, etc. Hopefully we can get some clarity on which is meant before the start of the contest.

United Kingdom ObscureParadox says:

Hopefully Borandi is right because benching the old FX chips won't be a world of fun at all :(

United Kingdom borandi says:

ObscureParadox said: Hopefully Borandi is right because benching the old FX chips won't be a world of fun at all :(


That's the sort of thing Massman finds fun ;)

Sweden The Mutt says:

borandi said: That's the sort of thing Massman finds fun ;)


That's what I'm afraid of...
Those old athlon fx models are pretty hard to find and then you have to find a decent motherboard also...

Damn, I thought this year was simple at first glance. :-p

Germany der8auer says:

Seems like it was not too bad to keep my FX-74 :D

Bulgaria I.nfraR.ed says:

It would be good to have a clear statement about 5th stage. I guess it's what Sam said. Not a problem for us, we have some really good Clawhammers and SanDiegos :p.

Belgium Massman says:

I will go over this thread and answer the questions today!

United States Bones says:

l0ud_sil3nc3 said: MM you made my day with the 5Ghz 32M stage, looking forward to this one and others:)


Ditto.
Looking foward to this one guys.

Russian Federation ZFeSS says:

GENiEBEN said: Perhaps it will be wiser to restrict the Low Clock challenge to low-multi locked cpus, so there won't be any 'efficiency' masters.

It will be wiser to restrict the Low Clock challenge to desktop CPUs, because notebooks with XM CPUs to achieve 5Ghz are not fun at all, especially new mobile Haswells.

Belgium Massman says:

borandi said: Hybrid categories please. AMD (+ CPU_World) are actually rather vague on Richland + 6-series/7-series GPU.


I am trying to find the models for Richland, but I am not sure if AMD is still doing this. If not, then the list is just very short.

Rasparthe said: Same rules as always about new hardware introduced during the competition? Thinking mostly of the new R9 290 cards and if they will be available before the Nov 1 start of the competition.


Hardware released during the competition is not okay. Before, is okay.

The Mutt said: Is 290x allowed ?


As it just launched - yes.

The Mutt said: Question about:
Stage 5, Nov 1 – Dec 19, Aquamark (AMD FX): For this stage, only AMD FX CPUs are allowed. There is no restriction on the GPU. Per country, five scores are required, each with a unique CPU core. The winner of the stage acquires 30 points.

Is this just Bulldozer and Piledriver with different core amount (for example fx-4100, fx-6100, fx-8150 and FX-6300, FX-8350) or do you have to find old Athlon 64 FX?


The limitation is per core, as in architecture. Otherwise we would have used the term "core count".

Indonesia placid says:

placid said: I'm newbie in HWBOT Prime benchmark. How to bench it? The download link does'n contain .exe, .com or something executable?


GENiEBEN said: Install Java and double-click the .jar file (or thru cmd.exe, type java -jar hwbotprime.jar)


The file is hwbotprime-0.8.3.zip and after extract it there is no .jar too

Strunkenbold says:

Old ESs allowed? I mean non current gen?

Belgium Massman says:

placid said: The file is hwbotprime-0.8.3.zip and after extract it there is no .jar too


Works here.

http://downloads.hwbot.org/downloads/benchmarks/hwbotprime-0.8.3.zip

Download, unzip, and there is a .jar available. Have Java installed and just double click on hwbot prime.

Belgium Massman says:

Strunkenbold said: Old ESs allowed? I mean non current gen?


No ES for competitions

Indonesia placid says:

Thx, now it's work :)

Norway knopflerbruce says:

One can always bi*ch about the 4x4 platform, but there are no other F3 Windsor FX chips so I wouldn't be surprised if they're decent choices :p Though, the batches are rather awful compared to the F3 AM2 ones. Maybe it's time to bring out my FX64, never released... but no ES either :D Just to mess with you guys.

Germany der8auer says:

I have 6 x FX-74 and 2 x FX-72 here :D Time to test

United States Mr.Scott says:

Maybe it's time to bring out my FX64, never released... but no ES either


Gotta pic? :D

United Kingdom borandi says:

So no to ES, but yes to ePower. fun /sarcasm

United Kingdom borandi says:

Another note on PCI cards. Does GPU-Z see them correctly now? As of 0.7.2 All mine say 'PCIe 1.1 x16 @ x1 1.1'

K404 says:

Yea, I was about to post that PCI verification can be fudged. Also...5GHz verification for SPi. Here is a train of thought: "Oh. My efficiency is off. I will bench at 5050MHz/ 5100MHz to get my time "back in line"

Sweden Calathea says:

borandi said: So no to ES, but yes to ePower. fun /sarcasm


BIG difference. ePower is fully available in retail, I don't see the need to be negative about that. Neither do I see any particular use of it in this competition either...

United Kingdom borandi says:

Ah yeah, from the US EVGA store. Was looking at the EU one, where I can't find it.

Norway knopflerbruce says:

Mr.Scott said: Gotta pic? :D


http://abload.de/image.php?img=fx6496b51.jpg

United States Mr.Scott says:

knopflerbruce said: http://abload.de/image.php?img=fx6496b51.jpg


Lol. I was breaking your balls bro. :D
But thanks for the pic. Didn't know it even existed.

Norway knopflerbruce says:

Mr.Scott said: Lol. I was breaking your balls bro. :D
But thanks for the pic. Didn't know it even existed.


Want pics of other chips? :D

United States Mr.Scott says:

knopflerbruce said: Want pics of other chips? :D

Nope. We're good. ;)

Belgium Massman says:

K404 said: Also...5GHz verification for SPi. Here is a train of thought: "Oh. My efficiency is off. I will bench at 5050MHz/ 5100MHz to get my time "back in line"


Look, we have added this stage with the requirement of 7 users and a minimum of reward. Participating = 5 pts, winning = 20 pts. Minimum reward for cheating.

This stage is purely for fun. Let's keep it that way :)

United Kingdom borandi says:

Can we get some clarification on the Integrated GPU stage?
Doing a search includes IGPs and Laptop GPUs - this is the way forward?

Belgium Massman says:

A graphics card is integrated, if it is part of another chip(set). So, if it's inside the CPU package or NB chip. Laptop GPUs may not be integrated if they use a PCIe interface.

United Kingdom borandi says:

Searching the HWBot database for Integrated GPUs classifies all Laptop GPUs that use a PCIe interface as 'Integrated', hence my original question

Belgium Massman says:

Owh, link? That's not correct.

Indonesia Lucky_n00b says:

Questions :

1) For hardware sharing among teammates, we can share CPU+Mobo+RAM for 3D bench(but not VGA/IGP), as in stage 2, 3, and 7, right?

2) For stage 6, since it is divided by GPU Core, so can we do it like this: : A10-6800K (HD 8670D) + A8-6600K (HD 8570D) + A10-5800K (HD 7660D) + A8-5600K( HD 7560D) + A8-3870K (HD 6550D).

3) In stage 8(pi 32M), we can use notebook CPU For that, right? And it's divided by socket, not core type?

Thanks :) :)

Belgium Massman says:

To answer the questions, 1) Correct. You are allowed to, for example, set up one platform to bench with during a team session. 2) The division is by GPU core. In your example, both the HD 8670D and HD 8570D have the same GPU core. You cannot use both. 3) Notebook CPUs are allowed. It is indeed divided by CPU socket, and not CPU core.

Poland d3mox says:

So, have to search other gpu cores, god damn it!

websmile says:

Morning, is it correct that stage 8 cap has been lowered from 5 to now 4GHz? http://hwbot.org/competition/country_cup_2013/ If so, I think start post here should be edited for obvious reasons :)

United Kingdom borandi says:

Could be a typo

Belgium Massman says:

Yes, I was just informed about that. The competition page is correct, and I have adjusted the news item accordingly. It was a last-minute change.

websmile says:

Thanks for the fast response and clarification :)

Italy Atlas Rush says:

I'm sorry: what's the meaning of "an overclocker can only contribute once per stage."? It means that only one score will be used in rankings or ONLY ONE SUBMISSION and nothing more?

Germany der8auer says:

Your best score. Every overclocker can contribute 1 score per stage. Of course you can submit better scores during the competition to improve your result but only your best one will count.

So the maximum you can submit is 8 scores. -> 8 stages -> 1 per stage.

Belgium Massman says:

You can submit an unlimited amount of scores, but only your best will contribute to the team. That means you can contribute 8 scores maximum; the rest is up to your team mates. Note that our engine will not select the best combination of scores. So, if you are submitting with different hardware in one stage, only your best score will contribute. That means you might be blocking other scores from your teammates, resulting in a lower score. It's not just hardware, there's some strategy involved as well :).

TaPaKaH says:

Massman said: Note that our engine will not select the best combination of scores. So, if you are submitting with different hardware in one stage, only your best score will contribute. That means you might be blocking other scores from your teammates, resulting in a lower score. It's not just hardware, there's some strategy involved as well :).
So if I submit fast times on both s1150 and s1155 (assume country's fastest) then the country will have no s1155 result as my s1155 score will block all others' scores?
Sounds like a trolling plan :D

United Kingdom borandi says:

What if some numpty that you can't contact is being a numpty and screwing the country over with two good scores? We've already got one in our ProOC team that joined and won't leave/can't get in contact

Canada Rasparthe says:

I don't believe you can have two scores on the board, one score will be better than the other. If the better score is 1155, the 1150 will be dropped. If someone beats your 1155 then the 1150 score will show up (unless there is a better 1150 score already on the books). At least I believe that is how it worked in previous versions.

Belgium Massman says:

It's exactly how it worked in previous editions, Tony. @Sam: if you have both a 1155 and 1150 score, and your 1150 score is better than your 1155, and assuming no one else has a better 1150 or 1155 score, then the engine will automatically consider the 1150 score as you contribution to the team. In this case, - someone else will contribute to the 1155 category - if another person beats your 1150 score, then your 1155 score will be considered as the contribution But in all cases, the engine will not calculate the result of all the possible combinations of scores and choose the one that yields your country the best average (and thus score). If it would be more beneficial for you to contribute with your 1155 score, then it will be up to you to decide not to submit the 1150 score.

India sumonpathak says:

so basically one can contribute two of his best times and not really worry about it? the engine will take care of the rest? or am i making a fool out of myself?

United Kingdom borandi says:

Opposite Sumon. Users have to coordinate best scores with each other. If you submit two to the same round under different categories, there's the possibility you're screwing your team.

Canada Rasparthe says:

@borandi, I don't believe that is true. For instance, take Stage 8, I'm pretty sure you can submit 7 scores, all with different CPU sockets. Each score should be different (I have no idea if you submit two scores exactly tied), even though you have submitted 7 scores, only your very best score will show up, say it is in Socket 1150. Even though you may have submitted 7 scores, your team will only show one score submitted, in 1150, and still require 6 other scores in 6 other sockets. If someone beats your 1150, and your next best score is 1156, you will now have two scores for your team. The 1150 score that beat yours and your 1156 score.

United Kingdom borandi says:

@Rasparthe: You misunderstand what I mean: To use your analogy. Say you submit 7 scores in round 8, 1150 is your best, only that one will score points, correct. If someone submits an 1156 score that is worse than your 1156 score, their score will not score points because it is not the best for that socket, and you won't score points for 1156 because it's not your best for the stage. Make sense? Remember we had a similar issue with team points until it was all turned on: that was fixed by making the best score count regardless of who submitted it. Doesn't work in country cup, requiring a small amount of communication between members.

Canada Rasparthe says:

Ahhh, okay I see what you mean now. Although it seems odd that it would work this way, that is something to watch out for. @Massman - Can we get confirmation that this is indeed the way the scoring would work?

Belgium Massman says:

Assume you have the best 1150 and 1156 score, with 1150 > 1156. Then, - you will contribute in the 1150 - your 1156 will be disregarded - another person can contribute to the 1156 category If there are two people who have a 1150 and 1156 score, with person A having the better 1150 score. Then, - person A will contribute to the 1150 category - person B will contribute to the 1156 category But! The engine will not select the best combination of scores. So it will do the above always. It doesn't matter if AVG(A_1150 + B_1156) > or < than AVG(A_1156 + B_1150).

Bulgaria I.nfraR.ed says:

Massman said:

2) The division is by GPU core. In your example, both the HD 8670D and HD 8570D have the same GPU core. You cannot use both.


So you're basically telling us we can only use one of the 6xxx and 5xxx chips, since their gpu is Devastator? Which actually means 6800K.

Belgium Massman says:

In the database, there's a Devestator and Devestator' core. The HD 8760D and 7660D have different ones. Here's a little help (GPU, GPUCORE)

Radeon Xpress 200 64bit SDR	RV370-xpress
Radeon IGP 320M	RS100
Radeon HD 8670D	Devastator'
Radeon HD 8400	Kalindi
Radeon HD 7660D	Devastator
Radeon HD 6530D	BeaverCreek
Radeon HD 6410D	WinterPark
Radeon HD 3200	RS780
Mirage 1	662
GeForce 8100 IGP	GF8 IGP
GeForce 6150 SE	C61
GeForce 6150 LE	C51

India sumonpathak says:

borandi said: Opposite Sumon. Users have to coordinate best scores with each other. If you submit two to the same round under different categories, there's the possibility you're screwing your team.


ah..thanks for saving me :)

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