Maybe my doubt is a bit silly, anyway... About the live stage, what's exactly is the "event report"? For example, An video footage or a new thread on forum talking about the event count as this "event report"?

i7 930 is not allowed?

Background?

Maybe my doubt is a bit silly, anyway... About the live stage, what's exactly is the "event report"? For example, An video footage or a new thread on forum talking about the event count as this "event report"?

An aftermovie or a thread with lots and lots of (resized) pictures can be considered an event report, yes. The most important part is that you can show the score was done live and surrounded by people other than yourself or your team mates.

i7 930 is not allowed?

 

Background?

- no

- background is coming up!

Can we submit without a background? Two subs already?

a lot of stage...

ES allowed?

@Rasparthe no you need a back ground "LIMITATIONS

A verification screenshot is required.

Please attach a picture of your overclocking rig.

Must use competition background: link

Seems a bit silly to launch competition but not background.

Ras is going to need all three months to bench everything he has lol

That means you have an extra day at the end to bench. So hold all of your sandbags till then....

a long long bench...

No, can't submit without background. It's going to be available in an hour or so. The competition is 3 months long ...

when background link available.. ?

The masterpiece competition background: http://i.imgur.com/XPidgxL.jpg

thx

elephant ftw!

mumpung ada.. submit dulu sebelum di jual.. he.he.he.he.he.

I see... this one is the elephant from 3D Mark 2003 test... lol

My first time participate Team Cup

Sledgehammer is not allowed?

It's exactly same silicon as Clawhammer. A64 FX-51, 53 and socket 940 opterons use this core.

50 people audience, c'mon PJ, how can we do that without our golden boy

HATE MAIL SEND !

W3520 (C0/C1), W3540 (C0/C1), W3565 (C0/C1), and W3570 (C0/C1) allowed for Bloomfield?

Why not just say all C0/C1 Bloomfield?

i think you try to submit, if not allowed, it will be warning by the form..

W3520 (C0/C1), W3540 (C0/C1), W3565 (C0/C1), and W3570 (C0/C1) allowed for Bloomfield?

 

Why not just say all C0/C1 Bloomfield?

AFAIK, no RETAIL xeon w3xxx C0/C1 chips exist, therefore those xeons are not allowed.

W3520 (C0/C1), W3540 (C0/C1), W3565 (C0/C1), and W3570 (C0/C1) allowed for Bloomfield?

 

Why not just say all C0/C1 Bloomfield?

All Xeon Bloomfield were 2009 release, afaik.

Can 3800+ Clawhammer be added to the competition. It wasn't in the database until Turrican just added it, submission don't work with it.

Just got a complaint from a friend (who doesn't speak English) that you can't submit P4-505 into '2004 stage even though wiki says that it was released in December that year.

SC1: 1M Challenge competition

#11: 2010: Gulftown

#12: 2010: Deneb, Thuban, Zosma

#13: 2012: Ivy Bridge, Sandy Bridge-E

SC2: 3DMark03 Single GPU

#6: 2010: Gulftown vs. Deneb

#7: 2012: Ivy Bridge vs. Piledriver

SC3: Vantage Full-out

#9: 2010: Deneb, Thuban, Zosma

#10: 2012: Ivy Bridge, Sandy Bridge-E

After looking at the above why isn't Thuban and Zosma allowed in SC2 #6

And why isn't Sandy Bridge e.g. 2500K, 2600K allowed in 2012

And why isn't Sandy Bridge e.g. 2500K, 2600K allowed in 2012

SB is Q1'2011, I know, time flies

Can 3800+ Clawhammer be added to the competition. It wasn't in the database until Turrican just added it, submission don't work with it.

Fixed.

Just got a complaint from a friend (who doesn't speak English) that you can't submit P4-505 into '2004 stage even though wiki says that it was released in December that year.

Fixed.

SC1: 1M Challenge competition

#11: 2010: Gulftown

#12: 2010: Deneb, Thuban, Zosma

 

#13: 2012: Ivy Bridge, Sandy Bridge-E

 

 

 

SC2: 3DMark03 Single GPU

#6: 2010: Gulftown vs. Deneb

#7: 2012: Ivy Bridge vs. Piledriver

 

 

SC3: Vantage Full-out

#9: 2010: Deneb, Thuban, Zosma

#10: 2012: Ivy Bridge, Sandy Bridge-E

 

 

After looking at the above why isn't Thuban and Zosma allowed in SC2 #6

And why isn't Sandy Bridge e.g. 2500K, 2600K allowed in 2012

The Vantage and 1M stage have a bit more options because it's sometimes unclear what core will be the fastest. For 03 it's mostly quite clear.

Sandy will never beat Ivy or SB-E in Vantage, so there's no point to add them.

50 people audience, c'mon PJ, how can we do that without our golden boy

 

HATE MAIL SEND !

In the live performance stage, we will be a little more relax on the approval of submissions. The idea is that you bench if front or surrounded by people that don't know much about overclocking - if that criterium is met, the score will be allowed.

What we want to avoid is people posting scores done in the garage with 2 bypassers checking out the system.

Sledgehammer is not allowed?

 

It's exactly same silicon as Clawhammer. A64 FX-51, 53 and socket 940 opterons use this core.

Makes sense, added.

hunting again..

Makes sense, added.

Thank you

Now I can fire up my opterons

20Fusion-oc.com 41 pts

21Criminal Cafe 41 pts

22OverBR Team Brazil 41 pts

hahaha...Now we're talkin...

Can 3800+ Clawhammer be added to the competition. It wasn't in the database until Turrican just added it, submission don't work with it.

Was that one actually released officially?

mantap kang placid, lagi berburu hardare lagi nih..

In SC1: 1M Challenge competition

2002: Thoroughbred

All processors allowed

and in SC2: 3DMark03 Single GPU Historical Battle

2002: Northwood vs. Thoroughbred (Nvidia GeForce 4 series, ATI Radeon 9000 series family)

AMD: All processors allowed

In this stages only Thoroughbred allowed or we may use Palomino, Thorton, Barton and Duron

Tbred only

Westmere-EP allowed? X5650, X5660, X5670, and X5680 were all released in 2010.

semangat lagi ah...

Why no 6800 GT PCI-e???

GeForce 6800 GT NV40 Chip Release: Mai 2004

Westmere-EP allowed? X5650, X5660, X5670, and X5680 were all released in 2010.

Added!

http://hwbot.org/competition/team_cup_2013_sc1/stage/832_2010:_gulftown/

Which are the prizes?

Awaiting for confirmation from Coolermaster, will update info soon!

http://hwbot.org/submission/2355893_xgamespati_3dmark03_radeon_hd_5870_72854_marks

this submission use 19" LED, can you tell me "GENIEBEN", how to put bencmark setting visible, when screen not enough...

http://hwbot.org/submission/2355893_xgamespati_3dmark03_radeon_hd_5870_72854_marks

 

this submission use 19" LED, can you tell me "GENIEBEN", how to put bencmark setting visible, when screen not enough...

Easy, move the windows so that the middle part of 3DMark window is visible

how about the other? i write in your wall

Easy, move the windows so that the middle part of 3DMark window is visible

just check the others bencmark, many of them not visible too..

how about the other? i write in your wall

http://hwbot.org/submission/2351942 --missed it, thanks

http://hwbot.org/submission/2355847 -- already blocked?

http://hwbot.org/submission/2356445 --nothing wrong with it.

http://hwbot.org/submission/2356891 --removed already, but there is nothing wrong with running Feature/CPU test, you are allowed.

just check the others bencmark, many of them not visible too..

I can only do them one at a time, rest assured all will be checked and validated.

with sub test, my submit block by SWEET..

with sub test, my submit block by SWEET..

Do you have a link? Im sure it was a misunderstanding.

no problem, i will make new bencmark with 22" monitor, so it not problem anymore, thanks for correction, and please, check the others too.. if you can..thx

wow still so much time left to bench and it looks like things are already getting serious .. geeez

mantap kang placid..

Why can i not use my xeon x5690 in the super pi stage?if it's ok to use this cpu plz add id

Why can i not use my xeon x5690 in the super pi stage?if it's ok to use this cpu plz add id

X5690 launched in Feb. 2011 so its outside the rules of the stage.

What about TITAN for SC3 ? I thought it was not allowed and only to be used for SC4. People start to post scores with it in SC3...

Plz add this asap to the stage rules to clarify...

Going to update tonight along with adding prizes from G.SKILL, ASRock and MSI!

makin berat aja...

Which one is the proper category to submit results for a Plain (NV40) 6800 AGP 128MB ???

http://www.gpureview.com/GeForce-6800-AGP-card-178.html

Which one is the proper category to submit results for a Plain (NV40) 6800 AGP 128MB ???

 

http://hwbot.org/hardware/videocard/geforce_6800_agp/

http://hwbot.org/hardware/videocard/geforce_6800_agp/

At the same category , along with the 6800 GT's and ULTRA's ???

Lima core Athlon 64 3800+ CAALG stepping allowed?

At the same category , along with the 6800 GT's and ULTRA's ???

GT and Ultra have their own category. The category Mr.Scott linked you to is just for the 6800 AGP (the normal one).

Lima core Athlon 64 3800+ CAALG stepping allowed?

That CPU was released in 2007, so not applicable for the Cup.

GT and Ultra have their own category. The category Mr.Scott linked you to is just for the 6800 AGP (the normal one).

For some strange reason , when i go to submit an 6800 related score , i dont see any other categories than these (look at the photo)

That's why i wrote to Mr.Scott

"At the same category , along with the 6800 GT's and ULTRA's ???"

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Am i doing something wrong , or is it somekind of problem others might have also ?

P.S.

By the way a deticated moderator should check the hole 6800 category cause i see soft-modded and bios modded cards @ 16 pixel / 6 Vertex ... all over the place.

What if you type "GeForce 6800 GT" ?

When i type "6800 GT" , it shows me the options of GT's and GTO.

But ...

Shouldnt it be more correct , when typing "6800" to show you all the related entries ???

It seems like having a 10 entry limiter

Yes, there is a limiter because otherwise it would be a too long list

That CPU was released in 2007, so not applicable for the Cup.

You might want to add this chip to the "not allowed list":

http://www.cpu-world.com/CPUs/K8/AMD-Athlon%20X2%20BE-2350%20-%20ADH2350IAA5DD%20%28ADH2350DDBOX%29.html

as well as all those singlecore Lima models

Brace yourselves, Team Cup me voila!

That's one out of four. In total it was:

21 + 22.2 + 29 + 35 kg of Hardware I did bring from my old living place to my new one by train.

Holy sh** Oo

Better give the shipping details for the prizes to PJ then Christian

It makes no sense to fight the hardware master

HWBOT staff, can we get a rules clarification and update for the Northwood processors? Right now, the competition stages list Northwood P4 2.8 and 3.0 chips as legal. But they don't specify that these need to be the Northwood 'A' 100 MHz FSB chips, as opposed to the Northwood 'C' chips with 200 MHz FSB and HT. The 'C' chips were released in 2003 and should be specifically disallowed. I mention this because numerous submissions have been made with 'C' chips and if those are disallowed (which they should be by the rules), the competitors need time to generate new submissions. If this is already being addressed then I apologize for the redundancy.

It is being discussed, please wait for an official statement.

HWBOT staff, can we get a rules clarification and update for the Northwood processors? Right now, the competition stages list Northwood P4 2.8 and 3.0 chips as legal. But they don't specify that these need to be the Northwood 'A' 100 MHz FSB chips, as opposed to the Northwood 'C' chips with 200 MHz FSB and HT. The 'C' chips were released in 2003 and should be specifically disallowed. I mention this because numerous submissions have been made with 'C' chips and if those are disallowed (which they should be by the rules), the competitors need time to generate new submissions. If this is already being addressed then I apologize for the redundancy.

Even if you are right - and i don't have any reason to believe that you aren't - it's not right to change the competition rules just before the end of the competition.

Just 15 days left and this competition started two (2) months before.

So pls don't discuss for it. Leave as it is even if it is a bit wrong.

This is my humble opinion...

Given the lack of any official statement, I'm assuming that they're allowed. Because, as you point out, Varachio, time is probably too short now for people to come up with new subs.

Same here we have scores submitted with that CPU... Sorry HWBOT crew but it can't take 14 days to allow it or not...

Now it's too late to say they can't be allowed...

Blame Massman ^^

Stage 3 cleaned.

Stage 2 partially.

Same here we have scores submitted with that CPU... Sorry HWBOT crew but it can't take 14 days to allow it or not...

 

Now it's too late to say they can't be allowed...

Sign. Same case here. Pentium 4 3.00Ghz (FSB 200) even stands in the list of CPU's that are officially allowed at the SPi1M Stage and it's also listed as allowed in the 3DM03 History Stage.

So - what's the final descision?! Can i use the CPU or not? I want to bench further at the weekend, but i don't want to spend 30h in benching and get results which will be deleted or won't count for the team-cup... then i can use my rare freetime for other things.

It's a little bit to late to discuss this question isn't it?! 14 days left, every one has to buy and bin other CPU's - so our problem?

I don't want to attack the staff, everybody makes mistakes but in my eyes it would be really unfair to say that they are not allowed - 2 weeks before ending of the stages.

best regards

DopeLex

Blame Massman ^^

 

Stage 3 cleaned.

Stage 2 partially.

What do you mean with cleaned, submissions removed ?

Likely all the bad subs have been removed (illegal hardware, bad SS, etc)

So after cleaning, i see Pentium 4 3G (FSB 200) is still listed and the submits are in the ranking - so it must be allowed to submit with it. Thx (but still would be nice to get a clear answer about this).

I don't have an answer for you, but I'm sure Massman will understand it is a little bit late to remove it.

Okay, thank you very much GENiEBEN.

It's never too late to correct a mistake !!!

... and it's more fair for the people that used the proper hardware.

Sorry mate, rules were NOT clear... nothing fair about changing stuff two weeks before the competition ends...

Really where does it say that the 200FSB is NOT allowed ? they specifically mention the 2.4 and 2.8Ghz Northwood, not the 3GHz version...

Only Pentium 4 3.06 GHz, Pentium 4 1.6 GHz Northwood, Pentium 4 1.8 GHz Northwood, Pentium 4 2.0 GHz Northwood, Pentium 4 2.2 GHz, Pentium 4 2.26 GHz Northwood, Pentium 4 2.4 GHz Northwood (100 FSB), Pentium 4 2.4 GHz Northwood (133 FSB), Pentium 4 2.5 GHz, Pentium 4 2.8 GHz B Northw. (133 FSB), Pentium 4 2.8 GHz Northwood, Pentium 4 3.0 GHz Northwood, Pentium 4 2.66 GHz, Pentium 4 2.53 GHz

I don't look for the manufacturing date of the CPU, the crew should have done that properly beforehand when posting the rules...

But if you need to buy a CPU, Board and the vga -everyone would buy what he thinks that it is the best choice. So you check the list and you see: oh 3Gigz FS200 NW - sounds good, go buy it. You double checked the list: okay CPU is allowed - hit the "buy" button, done. Then you make several testings and submit results, everybody see's the results, some say: good one (maybe even staff) and you are happy. Then, round about two weeks before end of challenge, someone says: "Hey, was our mistake but we have to delete your results. Yes we know, not much time left but then you have to try harder and buy some more CPU's."

That doesn't sound fair in my eyes and of course you (TASOS)are right, for all the guys who didn't use the specific CPU('s) it's also a little bit unfair but i think vice versa it's a little bit more unfair. I think so, why e.g. i didn't chechekd on my own when the P4 3G (FSB) was released, cause i thought i can rely on the list and rules - so why i have to double check this?

Edit: Sign Leeghoofd - same thought's on my side.

For me it was clear from the start.

In any case i (or my team members) had any doubt , i asked or doublecheck release dates and related parameters.

Below in red highlighted , is the key factor of this competition.

The main theme of the Team Cup 2013 revolves around high-end performance since the beginning of this millennium. We took the most high-end components available at every second year, starting from 2000, and build a competition around it featuring the benchmarks SuperPI 1M, 3DMark03 and 3DMark Vantage.

That's my opinion ... that's where i stand.

1) Again in case you didnt read our comments properly : we did not check release dates as we thought the hardware list laid down was double checked. In the category of NW there was no FSB specification for the 3Ghz CPUs. Maybe my bad that I didn't check the release date... but it's too late for me now to get a 3GHz 133FSB CPU and get it at my place in due time...

2) It took the staff more than 15 days to reach no decision... too little too late now, in my humble opinion...

Double sign. Why we had to check when the CPU's were released if there is official statement in form of a list of allowed CPU's?

A final word now would be good. Either allow the 200fsb north woods with ht or disallow. I have yet to run this on ln2, so I would like to run only once and not worry about being dq'd. The lack of obvious decision is a bit frustrating. I asked about this 1 month ago: http://hwbot.org/forum/showpost.php?p=232056&postcount=51

3.00 NW200 allowed

Is that the one with 15,3 multi?

Fixed

Is that the one with 15,3 multi?

how about 2.8 200 northwood?

http://hwbot.org/submission/2355412_

how about 2.8 200 northwood?

http://hwbot.org/submission/2355412_

Allowed.

hi guys

i have a Amd phenom II 560BE (Callisto) when i unlock it , it will be "Deneb" ,can i use it in 3dmark03 in this stage "#6: 2010: Gulftown vs. Deneb " ?

No.

Genieben is 3v1l

Lol

thanks so i have to grab my 965

Everybody is still benching?

Ofc, I have so much to bench this weekend... won't have time for all of them. Still no 3D benches at all.

I'm done !

Let's hope the scores we have will be enough to beat Poland or Germany

I am still benching to improve my 1m scores and I did want to do some 3d as well. 20 days ago I thought I had plenty of time to bench but now I wish we had a few more days!!!

I wonder if I have time to bench my stuff... probably not. WIll have a go at the AM2 1m stage, and maybe 1st gen k10, and if time also do a Deneb 1m and Conroe 1m. Attending a concert tonight and tomorrow, so will be difficult...

I went to the beach yesterday instead of benching....

Pulling out, dont have time for 3d and s370/s462 pi

Good luck to all

You have 1 more evening I still don't have any 3D scores and 3 1M systems are waiting, too.

Yep, but i don't have ln2 now or DI. Hmm.. DI

Blame Massman ^^

 

Stage 3 cleaned.

Stage 2 partially.

we usually do lol but.. still seeing titan & no comp background ss subs ranked in SC3. just as examples:

8th http://HWBOT.org/submission/2377448

11th http://HWBOT.org/submission/2375704

also is something up server side between processing std points & team cup points? my sub here shows 0 hw points even though it's the only spi 1m trinity sub i've ever made but registers on the team cup fine

^ First link does have the official bg as you can see thru the aero interface Since he is a team member I will let others decide.

Second link removed.

A simple recalc fixed your 0.0 sub to an extraordinary 0.1pts

A simple recalc fixed your 0.0 sub to an extraordinary 0.1pts

ouch LOL. it was for the cup..

how about 2.8 200 northwood?

http://hwbot.org/submission/2355412_'>http://HWBOT.org/submission/2355412_

 

Allowed.

You said allowed here, but I cannot submit my previous result.

http://hwbot.org/submission/2355412_

Almost there!

Shrimps rule :-)

Congrats to all teams! Way to bench!

6 of 7 AMD 1M stages for me. The board at the last stage didn't allow me to get anything good, was fighting with it 1 hour

Congrats to the winners.

Many very good old skool overclockers here. Thank you for letting myself and my team compete with you.

Congrats to all winners.

We were lucky this was not an all AMD show , amasing scores there Infrared !

Gratulation for the win

Madshrimps Belgium OC Team

Definitely great scores there infrared, you must have a fair few chips binned there

Was a well deserved & clear win for Madshrimps! Congratz!

Congrtaz also to Infrared for the AMD effort and to all participants around the world!

I would like to congratz also my team for the 9th place and since no submission made under LN2 for Hellas O/C team this 9th place reveals a great effort under SS, H2O & AIR cooling.

Most important of all is the fact that we managed to energize 2-3 idle members and more than three (3) new members that joined our team due to Team Cup!

And now that all settled down I have a proposal for the next competitions.

What if we give a bonus to those members/teams submit scores at the beginning of the competitions? An additional algorithm let's say that will introduce a "value" to the scores depend on the date/time of the submission. That would eliminate sandbagging and will reward those that reveal early their configuration/scores. I think this will make the game more fair & more synthetic and we will have great scores from the beginning of competitions

It's an interesting concept. Could easily turn into a team winning because they already had parts X Y and Z and didn't have to try to get them from 10k miles away somewhere though.

Congratz to all the hard benchers and the winning team.