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Now instead of 'bagging 1st place scores, they will 'bag 4th place scores? Im not quite sure how this helps the bagging issue personally...but Im tired, so fill me in!

GL teams!

EDIT: Geez - How did I start a thread? I thought this was a thread and I was posting in it?!!!

Good luck figuring out what score you need for 4th place

And how do you get a proper ranking list out of this system? 10 points to the person who is 4th, 8 to 3rd/5th and so on? Just asking, as atm the person who has the best score gets 10 points ^^

So, in other words the winner will be the team have the 4th place at the end of the contest....nice idea

Good luck figuring out what score you need for 4th place

Still though, just takes a system available at towards the end to shoehorn a time in...or have several scores bagged...Interesting. I appreciate the effort to deter this regardless!

Thanks for the explanation.

How about "resubmissions"?

If you figure out towards the end of this competition that you've gone too fast, and want to resubmit a slower run, will the system allow you to do that?

Worse than 3rd and better than 5th = 4th. Not to difficult to............ O I *think* I C what u did thur!

 

Still though, just takes a system available at towards the end to shoehorn a time in...or have several scores bagged...Interesting. I appreciate the effort to deter this regardless!

 

Thanks for the explanation.

Frederik also pointed that out to me today: it doesn't really "solve" sandbagging. It just makes the whole process a little more complicated.

Luckily, the monthly OC Challenges are for fun mostly ... we can experiment with this kind of stuff

How about "resubmissions"?

 

If you figure out towards the end of this competition that you've gone too fast, and want to resubmit a slower run, will the system allow you to do that?

Hm, the engine will always pick your best result. Maybe we can solve this by adding an extention to the HCE to use your 'last' result in the ranking.

We'll check for that tomorrow.

Hm, the engine will always pick your best result. Maybe we can solve this by adding an extention to the HCE to use your 'last' result in the ranking.

 

We'll check for that tomorrow.

I think you were commenting off the cuff here, and hadn't thought this through until the end - To prohibit people from frantically scrambling for 4th place with lower submissions, only higher submissions should be ranked in the competition. Until the last second, all 4 top teams would be manipulating their submissions to be higher than 5 and lower than 3rd. Worse yet, if we go by the last result submitted for the ranking, while the top teams are wrestling over 4th place by constantly resubmitting scores, another team is submitting random scores of their own, making it nearly impossible to tell what the true ranking is, and at the last minute they too attempt to sniper 4th at the last minute.

So basically, the way the rules are now are better than using the "last" result in the ranking. If only higher scores are permitted, each team's only option to win is going up, and we're all here for higher scores and winning.

As is, like you said this doesn't stop anyone from sandbagging, but it makes it a bit more complicated.

There is background? Then I uploaded earlier results as well?

There is background? Then I uploaded earlier results as well?

AFAIK the contest are always with new results...

No dedicated background, but only new results

the the winner is who is on the 4th place in the overall ranking at the end of the competion or counts a 4th place in a stage as a stage victory and you get 10 points and at the end the best scoring team wins?

The "winner" of the overall competition is the team with the most points. But for each stage, the "real" winner is the one who places 4th since that position gives the most points.

I think you were commenting off the cuff here, and hadn't thought this through until the end - To prohibit people from frantically scrambling for 4th place with lower submissions, only higher submissions should be ranked in the competition. Until the last second, all 4 top teams would be manipulating their submissions to be higher than 5 and lower than 3rd. Worse yet, if we go by the last result submitted for the ranking, while the top teams are wrestling over 4th place by constantly resubmitting scores, another team is submitting random scores of their own, making it nearly impossible to tell what the true ranking is, and at the last minute they too attempt to sniper 4th at the last minute.

 

So basically, the way the rules are now are better than using the "last" result in the ranking. If only higher scores are permitted, each team's only option to win is going up, and we're all here for higher scores and winning.

 

As is, like you said this doesn't stop anyone from sandbagging, but it makes it a bit more complicated.

er, uhh yea what he said

WTF what's the point of the new ranking ? Now all have backups and uploading the scores in the last min. Now we have arrived ebay, who make the last submission win the stage. Nice one... i think we are here to overclocking the components to the limit and make the highest score to win a stage and not for make a bagging war -.-

Well, going for 4th is a real gamble. If you're 3rd, you have 6p, if you're 5th, you have 4p.

If you're first, you have 10p

Is possible delete a score and upload another one with biggest time?

^^ yes. That's how it's done.

The "winner" of the overall competition is the team with the most points. But for each stage, the "real" winner is the one who places 4th since that position gives the most points.

I think you are tryin to get us confused lol.

The "winner" of the overall competition is the team with the most points. But for each stage, the "real" winner is the one who places 4th since that position gives the most points.

wood burnin in the winter is cool...

but smoking pot isn't lol

jk

I am enjoying this comp. I have to say it's the first time I have downclocked a CPU for points.

Uploading old scores is allowed it seems ?

Not that I am aware of.

Is possible delete scores?

I know some scores where oploaded again.

Yeah, just noticed. Unbelievable really ... this is just a fun comp and I will still have to make a custom background so people wouldn't submit old results.

Sigh ///

Yeah, just noticed. Unbelievable really ... this is just a fun comp and I will still have to make a custom background so people wouldn't submit old results.

 

Sigh ///

So can I delete the old score and upload a new one) Both was made this month as the rules says....

So can I delete the old score and upload a new one) Both was made this month as the rules says....

Yes

No !

To reduce sandbagging, you could set up the monthly challenges to be closed randomly at any time during the last three days of the month. If nobody knows precisely when the contest will end, it will encourage them to get their score in before the random closure period begins (e.g., before the 29th of this month) - otherwise they run the risk of having the contest close before they submit. Just a suggestion. I support your initiative, though, Massman - sandbagging seems very anti-competitive and unsportsmanlike to me.

To reduce sandbagging, you could set up the monthly challenges to be closed randomly at any time during the last three days of the month. If nobody knows precisely when the contest will end, it will encourage them to get their score in before the random closure period begins (e.g., before the 29th of this month) - otherwise they run the risk of having the contest close before they submit. Just a suggestion. I support your initiative, though, Massman - sandbagging seems very anti-competitive and unsportsmanlike to me.

+1

To reduce sandbagging, you could set up the monthly challenges to be closed randomly at any time during the last three days of the month. If nobody knows precisely when the contest will end, it will encourage them to get their score in before the random closure period begins (e.g., before the 29th of this month) - otherwise they run the risk of having the contest close before they submit. Just a suggestion. I support your initiative, though, Massman

Love this idea.

To reduce sandbagging, you could set up the monthly challenges to be closed randomly at any time during the last three days of the month. If nobody knows precisely when the contest will end, it will encourage them to get their score in before the random closure period begins (e.g., before the 29th of this month) - otherwise they run the risk of having the contest close before they submit. Just a suggestion. I support your initiative, though, Massman - sandbagging seems very anti-competitive and unsportsmanlike to me.

Okay, sounds good.

We shall try this in the next HOC in January

Not bad idea though

I'm getting this error uploading my result with Pentium E2140:

* ONLY USE PROCESSORS BASED ON THE CONROE 2MB L2, CONROE 512K, CONROE, CONROE-E, CONROE-L CORE. - YOUR SUBMISSION DOES NOT COMPLY TO THIS RULE

ALLOWED PROCESSORS: WITH THE CONROE 2MB L2 CORE: XEON 3040, XEON 3050, CORE 2 E4700 (2.6GHZ)WITH THE CONROE 512K CORE: CELERON LGA775 E1600, CELERON LGA775 E1200, CELERON LGA775 E1400, CELERON LGA775 E1500, CELERON T1400, CELERON LGA775 T1500WITH THE CONROE CORE: CORE 2 E6600 (2.4GHZ), CORE 2 E6700 (2.66GHZ), CORE 2 X6800 (2.93GHZ), XEON 3085, CORE 2 E6750 (2.67GHZ), CORE 2 E6850 (3.0GHZ), CORE 2 E6550 (2.33GHZ), XEON 3060, XEON 3070, CORE 2 E6420 (2.13GHZ), CORE 2 E6320 (1.86GHZ), PENTIUM E2200 (2.2GHZ), XEON 3065, XEON 3075, CORE 2 P7700 (1.80GHZ)WITH THE CONROE-E CORE: WITH THE CONROE-L CORE: CELERON M 530 CONROE, CELERON LGA775 460, CELERON LGA775 CONROE-L 2.8GHZ, CELERON LGA775 480, CELERON LGA775 420, CELERON LGA775 430, CELERON LGA775 440, CELERON M 540, CELERON M 220 CONROE, CELERON M 520 CONROE, CELERON M 550 CONROE, CELERON M 560 CONROE, CELERON LGA775 450

The Pentium E2200 uses the same core, and CPU-Z see my E2140 as Conroe core (with 1MB L2 cache). You can add E2140 (and others processors of this family) to participate?

Thanks! \o

Why Core 2 Duo E6300 Conroe 1.86ghz 2mb L2 cannot partecipate?

Oh man , I love this competition (if you can put this name on it)!!! It is a real gambling. Winning in this is not so hard , if other teams don't fallow the right and exact strategy !!!

We're gonna ROCK it !!!

Just some one tell me where can I see the clock of Hwbot real time .

lol

(déjà vu ?)

Oh man , I love this competition (if you can put this name on it)!!! It is a real gambling. Winning in this is not so hard , if other teams don't fallow the right and exact strategy !!!

We're gonna ROCK it !!!

Just some one tell me where can I see the clock of Hwbot real time .

The real time is the Brussels: GMT+2 but End of october, that becomes GMT+1 again. I always create another clock in windows with that time zone to keep the real time of any competition.

Are competition points updating for submissions to this? One point per stage?

Points are usually awarded after the competition closes. However, for team/country/competitionteam formats, there are currently not yet competition points awarded.

Points are usually awarded after the competition closes. However, for team/country/competitionteam formats, there are currently not yet competition points awarded.

I am totaly confused which is my usual - normal state actually. There is points received for each stage in country cup (see my competition points) but in the December challenge - only after the stage closes?

Go OCN!

So, how are people planning to win this thing?

Sandbagging

Obviously

i think i win stage 5:)

I do not know if this idea already appeared but another way to reduce sandbagging would be to award points to the team that stays for more days in the lead (say 5 points for example, to be consistent with the 15 points for 4th place). I do not know how complicated this is for the programming of the competition engine but I believe it could help. Some car races used to award points for the car that lead most laps. I have been too busy to be in the competitions but hope some time next year to be able to participate again of some. Anyway I keep following them. They are really great!

awwwww we're at last place...

tsk tsk

arh! while others sandbagging my kentsfield can not runs faster