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World Tour 2017 and HWBOT X
Road to Pro 2017
|3DMark03||GeForce GTX 1080 Ti||2550/1600 MHz||Rauf||359451 marks||222.0 pts||1 0|
|HWBOT x265 Benchmark - 4k||Core i7 7700K||6495 MHz||hotrod717||12.54 fps||101.4 pts||0 1|
|Unigine Heaven - Xtreme||GeForce GTX 1080 Ti||2550/1600 MHz||Rauf||11174.67 DX11 Marks||73.1 pts||0 0|
|XTU||Core i7 7800X||5010 MHz||xXbladeXx||2530 marks||55.8 pts||0 0|
|XTU||Core i5 6400||3380 MHz||miker2ka||1043 marks||49.8 pts||0 2|
|XTU||Core i3 6100||3810 MHz||miker2ka||699 marks||49.8 pts||1 2|
|Memory Frequency||DDR SD-RAM||241 MHz||chvalca||482 MHz||44.2 pts||0 0|
|HWBOT x265 Benchmark - 4k||Core i7 7700K||5900 MHz||shar00750||11.82 fps||39.1 pts||0 0|
|HWBOT x265 Benchmark - 1080p||Core i7 7700K||5900 MHz||shar00750||50.75 fps||38.7 pts||0 0|
|3DMark - Time Spy||GeForce GTX 1080 Ti||2038/1451 MHz||Nazar||10712 marks||31.7 pts||0 0|
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This week our Motherboard memory Lane series turns its attention to the AMD AM3 Socket. The platform boasted an updated processor series that brought DDR3 memory support to AMD platforms for the first time, plus a broad range of dual-core, tri-core, quad-core and hexa-core models that AMD hoped would woo the hearts and minds of overclockers on HWBOT. Let’s move on and check out the motherboards, chipsets, processors and scores that defined the AMD AM3 generation.
With Socket AM3 we have the arrival of a new and updated series of AMD Phenom II processors. The most notable feature of the new chips was the modified memory controller (residing in the CPU) which now supported DDR3. This was AMD’s first stint at supporting DDR3 memory which had by this stage become reasonably affordable compared to DDR2 modules, largely thanks to Intel again making the move much earlier to help drive adoption. At launch AMD Phenom II X4 and X3 processors based on the Denab iteration of the K10 architecture arrived supporting dual-channel DDR3-1333 memory with multipliers available for frequencies as high as DDR3-1600. One other key difference was a larger L3 cache and the use of a 2GHz HyperTransport bus (compared to 1.8GHz on the previous gen).
The subject of this week’s Motherboard Memory Lane article is the AMD AM2+ platform. Strictly speaking the AMD AM2+ socket is historically the successor to the Socket AM2 and the predecessor to Socket AM3. The AMD AM2+ Socket was launched alongside the company’s first true quad-core and tri-core processors; the AMD Phenom series. Let’s take a look at the platform itself, the processors that it supported, the boards that were popular and of course the scores that were made by HWBOT members at that time.
After the roaring success of its K7 Athlon architecture CPUs and its follow up, the K8 Hammer architecture which brought us the first 64-bit, dual-core processors, the K10 architecture (technically referred to as the AMD 10h Family) arrived with a new Phenom brand name and the company’s first true (monolithic) quad-core processor series. Sounds pretty exciting, but in fact the new platform was received by tech media and enthusiasts with some real disappointment. Let’s look at why this happened.
Clock speeds were lower than expected, the platform remain limited (initially at least) to DDR2 memory and suffered a from translation lookaside buffer (TLB) bug that could cause a system lock-up (in fairly rare circumstances). Perhaps even worst of all, the new AMD Phenom chips simply could not keep up with Intel’s performance. You could almost point to the AM2+ launch as the beginning of the company’s drift into the void of non competitiveness. A void from which it is only now, ten years later, beginning to return, thanks to its new Zen architecture offerings.
Welcome to the latest edition of our Motherboard Memory lane series here on HWBOT. This week we turn our attention to the AMD AM2 platform, a platform that most notably featured an updated integrated memory controller that supported DDR2 standard memory. The platform also arrived with a new series of AMD 64 X2 processors based on a new and revamped K8 architecture. Let’s take a look at the AMD AM2 platform, the boards and processors that were popular with overclockers at that time and some of the outstanding scores that were submitted to HWBOT.
The AMD AM2 platform officially arrived in May 2006 and was the direct replacement for Socket 939. Although physically the AM2 Socket used exactly 940 pins in the same ZFI (zero insertion force) socket design that is used today, the new platform did not physically support previous generation Socket 940 CPUs due to an intentionally incompatible pin layout. The new socket however did debut a different heatsink retention mechanism with a cage-like design that was attached to the motherboard using four screws, not two. The heatsink / cooler dimensions remained unchanged however.
The new platform arrived with a range of single and dual-core processors, initially based on the Windsor (dual-core) and Manilla (single-core) architectures which were members of the original K8 family which had debuted several years earlier with Socket 754. Subsequent platform refreshes added Brisbane and Orleans architecture models.
Today in our Motherboard Memory Lane series we take on the classic AMD Socket 939 platform. After the heady heyday of the Socket A era, Socket 939 saw AMD build on the 64-bit architecture processors that debut on Socket 754, adding dual channel memory support, improved overclocking and eventually dual-core models. All of which makes it a memorable platform for many overclockers, especially when you thrown in some truly magnificent motherboards from DFI. Come with us as we recall the chipsets and boards that defined the era, plus a few of the scores that were submitted to HWBOT at the time.
The AMD Socket 939 platform arrived on the market in June 2004, just nine months after the company launched its Socket 754 platform. As with Socket 754, the new platform was designed to support the latest Athlon 64 and Sempron processors, eventually going to support Athlon 64 FX and Athlon 64 X2 models. The actual Socket 939 design was in fact very similar to Socket 940 (just one pin less) which was essentially AMD’s server platform. Socket 940 supported Opteron and Athlon 64 FX chips which required registered DDR memory. In terms of design Socket 939 was launched as consumer grade platform and featured a dual memory controller and support for more affordable and readily available non-registered memory modules.
At launch the new platform arrived with a new range of Athlon 64 processors, and as with the previous Socket 754 platform, two main chipset options; VIA and Nvidia. At launch the VIA K8T800 competed against the Nvidia nForce3 platform. Eventually the most popular choice with overclockers became the Nvidia nForce4 chipset, a single chip solution that evolved to offer a 1GHz HyperTransport support and SLI support, one of the first AMD platforms to do so. While the standard nForce4 Ultra MCP (Media Communications Processor) offered 20 lanes of PCIe the nForce4 SLI packed 38 lanes of PCIe (which had now replaced the aging AGP interface). The nForce4 Ultra chipset also offered 10 USB 2.0 ports, 2x IDE ports and 4x SATA 3Gbps ports, Gigabit LAN and AC’97 2.3 audio.
Welcome to the latest edition of our Motherboard Memory Lane series here on HWBOT. Following on from our in-depth look at the iconic AMD Socket A platform last week, we now turn our attention to its successor, AMD Socket 754. The Socket retains a slightly odd position in the annals of technological history as it debuted with wholly new and updated 64-bit architecture processor series, yet quickly became the option of choice for budget PC builds as it was eclipsed by the Socket 939 platform. Let’s take a look at the Socket itself, the chipsets and processors that accompanied it, and of course some the landmark scores and submissions that happened during the Socket 754 era.
Introduced in September 2003, the AMD Socket 754 platform was marketed as the replacement for the long standing Socket A (or Socket 462 as was also known). It supported a new range of AMD processors based on architectures that include Newcastle, Venice, Clawhammer and Palermo - all of which come under the AMD K8 architectural umbrella, and were sold under Athlon 64 and Sempron brand names. Although Socket 754 motherboards essentially replaced Socket A motherboards, in most regions the two platforms overlapped. It’s successor, Socket 939 arrived in mid 2004 offering processors with a superior features set that essentially relegated Socket 754 to the budget PC space. This made the platform a popular choice with more affordable AMD Sempron processors.
With Summer temperatures soaring in many regions around the world at the moment, it’s an apt time to take a look at how the GIGABYTE Beat the Heat contest is panning out over on OC-ESPORTS. The contest is GIGABYTE’s fifth contest of the year so far and as with previous contest, the company is not shy when it comes to offering attractive prizes. Winners can expect to walk away with really nice hardware that in total amounts to more than $2,500 USD. Let’s a take a quick look at the standings and scores as they stand at the moment with around eleven days to go:
GIGABYTE Beat the Heat: July 1st to July 31st 2017
The GIGABYTE Beat the Heat contest runs throughout the month of July here on OC-ESPORTS and is centered on 2D benchmarks and the latest non-HEDT platforms. All contestants must use a GIGABYTE motherboard. The contest is divided into the following four stages each featuring a 5GHz CPU frequency limitation and a specific benchmark:
Catch the full update article here on OC-ESPORTS.
Daniel Dobrowolski and his boss Kyle Bennet have been reviewing PC motherboards since the Internet was called books. To help wind away the long summer months, the pair set about trying to come up with a definitive list of the five worst motherboards they have come across in during their twenty years of experience. The list includes a few corkers for sure that many of us will remember with a degree of horror. They then set about trying to come up with a list of the five best motherboards of all time – a task that I’m guessing proved to be a little more difficult. Here’s a snippet of what Dan had to say on the topic:
After the positive responses I received for The Top 5 Worst Motherboards of All Time article, I decided to create a list for the the best motherboards. Unlike the worst boards which were picked for obvious reasons, it was important to qualify exactly how I chose the best motherboards on this list.
The "best" is subjective by itself, but I think the best motherboards stand out in a particular way. It's really not hard for a company to build a long lasting and stable motherboard. There are plenty of motherboards that last well past their useful operational life span. Some motherboards went above and beyond by being high quality and standing the test of the time or by being relevant for an unusually long period of time. Examples of that might be motherboards based on the excessively long lived 440BX chipset which remained relevant long after successor chipsets were released. Another category that will help a motherboard make this list is innovation. Some motherboards had something special about their design which made them more memorable, interesting, desirable, influential, and ultimately a favorite among enthusiasts. These are the criteria I will use to separate run of the mill excellence from what I consider some of history's best motherboards.
I won’t spoil the fun by posting the results of his soul searching, but let’s just say that I’m sure there is plenty of potential for much debate on the matter. You can find the ‘Five Best Motherboards’ here, and the ‘Five Worst Motherboards’ here. Well worth a read if you enjoy a nostalgic twinge.
After a few weeks of relative quiet, Vince ‘k|ngp|n’ Lucido is back at the rock face, chipping away at a few Global First Placed scores in the 1x GPU category. In just the last few days he’s used the latest Kingpin Edition GTX 1080 Ti card to post first placed scores in 3DMark Fire Strike, 3DMark Fire Strike Extreme and 3DMark Time Spy. Let’s take a look at the actual scores and hardware used:
The new Global First Place score in the 3DMark Fire Strike benchmark now stands at 31,770 marks. To hit this score Vince pushed the GPU of his EVGA 1080Ti KP card to 2,632MHz, a massive +77.84% beyond the Pascal chip’s stock frequency. He also pushed the GDDR5 graphics memory by +18.68%, configuring it at 1,633MHz. The rig he used was based on the latest Skylake-X platform from Intel with an EVGA X299 MICRO motherboard pushing a Core i9 7900X processor to very impressive 5,700MHz (+72.73%). Other details include a G.SKILL DDR4 kit clocked at 1,861.9MHz (13-13-13-28) and a SuperNOVA NEX 1,600 Watt PSU. The new GFP score stands just ahead of OGS (Greece) who scored 31,290 marks just the day before.
The above configuration was also used to punish both 3DMark Fire Strike Extreme and Time Spy benchmarks. In FS Extreme the fastest single GPU Global First Place run now stands at 19,361 marks. This is just ahead of World Number 1 Dancop who managed a score of 18,984 using a Titan Xp card. In 3DMark Time Spy the new Global First Place score for a single GPU stands at 14,219 marks. This beats Dancop’s score of 14,006 marks submitted earlier this month.
The EVGA GTX 1080 Ti Kingpin Edition card has not yet come to market, but we do know quite a bit about it. In fact there’s already a bit of good content out there including this PCB analysis from Buidzoid (courtesy of Gamers Nexus) and this interview with TiN and Vince from Jay’sTwoCents.
The recent activity from Vince means that he now sits in fourth place in the HWBOT rankings with 2,398 points. You can find all the Global First Place scores from k|ngp|n here on his HWBOT profile page as well in the links above.
Welcome to another Thursday and another look at a news post from the not too distant past. This time we look back at a real treat, revisiting an interview with one of HWBOT’s foremost overclocking talents - 0.0 from Thailand. 0.0. happens to be a leading proponent of Mobile overclocking. Back in July 2015 we caught up him and put together an interview that remains a very interesting read today:
HWBOT: When did you discovered overclocking and how or why did you start?
0.0: The first CPU I overclocked was a mobile P8400. I had already seen these overclocked by programming the master PLL usually using software called SetFSB, so I knew they could be overclocked. The laptop had plenty of thermal headroom but unfortunately the PLL was not programmable so I ended up having to hardware mod it. P8400 overclocked.
There were the usual criticisms that laptops cannot be overclocked and would burst into flames etc. It’s still working fine today after 7 years and ~17000 hours of use, and the performance boost was welcome. Of course as with any overclocking one needs to be sensible about it and work within the parameters of the hardware. Besides hardware, firmware can have a lot to do with the devices’ capabilities.
I started delving into firmware during the early days of the laptop mentioned above after a standard manufacturer’s BIOS update went wrong and left the laptop bricked. The manufacturer’s solution through on-line support on a Friday was to have the mainboard replaced at a cost of USD300. Since I wouldn’t be able to send it in until Monday, I tried seeing if there were other alternatives over the weekend. Long story short, there was a crisis recovery option built into the Firmware not mentioned by the manufacturer, and luckily after much trial and error I got it to work, saving time and $300. Since then I have had an interest in firmware.
Catch the full interview with Alex (a.k.a. 0.0) here in the original post from July 17th 2015 in which he goes on talk in more about the technological challenges of pushing locked mobile CPUs. Well worth a read.
The Open Benchtable website recent published a blog post highlighting the fact that the BC1 Benchtable is now featured in the annual Red Dot Award Yearbook. The OBT BC1 was declared winner of in the Product Design category back in April. The award win will be forever enshrined within the pages of the 2017 / 2018 yearbook which also features some of the world best designed products from some pretty big hitters.
The Red Dot award happened back in April of this year when the Open Benchtable was chosen as the winning product in the category of Product Design, impressing the panel of judges with its utterly unique design approach. Today we’re really pleased to see that Red Dot have added the BC1 Open Benchtable to its Yearbook for 2017 / 2018.
The Red Dot Award Yearbook, apart from a being about as heavy and large you would expect any Yearbook to ever be, is very much produced to inspire awe. Its four hundred plus pages are filled with product designs that Red Dot have deemed worthy as examples of world class design and innovation. The Open Benchtable now rubs shoulders with world-leading product designs from companies such as Apple, Bosch, Samsung, Carl Zeiss, Dell, Daimler and Google to name but a few. Prestigious company indeed. Expect to see the Red Dot Yearbook adorning coffee tables in boardrooms and design labs around the world.
You can find the blog post with more photos and information here on the Open Benchtable website.
Having acquired the latest and (perhaps) greatest graphics card from AMD, the Vega: Frontier Edition, Steve Burke and his colleagues at Gamers Nexus decided to explore the performance parameters of the new card and indeed the new Vega architecture GPUs. They started by adding a closed loop cooler (CLC) to the card, a job which ended being quite a mission due to the slightly irregular mounting holes on the PCB. The problem was eventually solved by using an old Intel CPU mounting bracket and creating some 64mm x 64mm retention holes. You can find the entire ‘Hybrid Mod’ Build Log video here. The Hybrid mod also added some small finned heatsinks to the VRM components to further eliminate thermal issues.
The idea behind the hybrid mod is that it’s not just about being able to get more performance, it’s also about finding the thermal limitations of the card / GPU and how these thermals relate to fan speeds and ambient noise levels. It also allows Steve and his team to gain a bigger picture about the card in terms of overclocking headroom and issues like power leakage. Here’s a sample of what they discovered:
The Vega FE Hybrid mod posted reasonable gains in overclocking over the air-cooled counterpart, something we originally thought was due to more aggressive clock scaling at lower temperatures – similar to what’s seen on Pascal. We later learned it was to do with power leakage and power limitations on the GPU, as we’ll dig into momentarily. We were able to max-out our stock card overclock at around 1660MHz with an 1100MHz HBM2 OC, which we ultimately found to govern performance gains most heavily.
The Hybrid card, with the help of some fans pointed at the VRM components, was able to overclock to 1705MHz completely stable, with an 1105MHz HBM2 OC. We ended up running all our tests at 1700/1100 for now, but will be revisiting with slightly higher clocks later. The VRM fans proved unnecessary after more testing, but we’ll get to that momentarily.
Pushing to 1710MHz resulted in a near-instant crash, and measuring at the PCIe cables shows that this is when power throttling begins to occur with greater frequency (causing the instability and subsequent crash). We’re hoping to attempt some BIOS mods – no promises – to increase TDP. Just depends on what tools are made available to us, or what we can figure out through external tools.
You can find the full Hybrid Mod article from Gamers Nexus here, as well as the video that Steve posted on their YouTube channel here. It’s great see that fairly mainstream tech site is willing to conduct these kinds of experiments to delve deeper in to the actual technology that powers today’s 3D gaming titles. It’s also great to see that his video on the topic currently has almost 50,000 views and almost 500 comments. Nice work guys!
French No.1 Wizerty recently published a comprehensive Extreme Overclocking guide on Tom’s Hardware. The guide focuses squarely on AMD’s latest Ryzen series processors, testing every Ryzen and Ryzen 7 model CPU on the market today. Being published on a very well known and pretty mainstream tech site, he takes time to offer some fantastic insight into the processes involved with Extreme overclocking. Topics include motherboard preparation, memory and CPU prepping, plus tons of help and details about configuring the BIOS.
AMD's Ryzen processors offer a compelling price/performance ratio right out of the box. But despite their many overclocking-friendly knobs and dials, most enthusiasts struggle to take the CPUs beyond 4 GHz. Given that we know the ins and outs of extreme overclocking, though, we have a solution. It's time to break out the liquid nitrogen!
Allow us to take you on a cryogenic journey, where we'll explore Ryzen's behavior when it's cooled to -196°C. Our experiment will allow us to correlate frequency scaling to temperature, voltage, and core count. We also have some tips on hardcore modding, such as lapping (sanding smooth) the processor.
It’s great to see one of the most historically important tech sites takes on the subject of Extreme Overclocking with this much attention detail. It’s even better to see Wizerty at the helm producing some great content. Check out the full AMD Ryzen Guide here on Tom’s Hardware. You can also find the original French version here.
If you missed the most recent episode of the OC Show, have no fear the re-run of the show is available now on the Overclocking-TV YouTube channel. The new and revamped show once again features Toolius and Buildzoid who in this episode are joined by Trouffman who steps in for Ciro. The show now broadcasts on a weekly cadence and as always, covers all the news, controversies, contests and stories related to the grand old world of Overclocking.
Episode 4 covers a bunch of wide ranging topics, kicking off with a look at the forthcoming Cape Town 2017 leg of the HWBOT Tour which they are all looking forward too. Let’s hope DrWeez can recover from a recent illness to compete in the OCWC Qualifier contest. They also look at the GIGABYTE Beat the Heat contest on OC-ESPORTS were the guys discuss the possibility of some serious sandbagging. Toolius and Buildzoid point to the fact that some seriously competitive scores are expected to appear before the contest ends. Another contest under the microscope is the Team Cup where Warp9-systems and Overclock.net are competing at the top of the table. Plus there’s the Rookie Rumble series which continues as ever.
As VP of the French Federation of Overclockers (FFOC), Trouffman introduces the topic of French overclocking, the history of overclocking and the famous ClanOC team which has been less active than in previous years and the position of France as a nation in overclocking terms. Other topics include the big announcements from AMD and Intel, including recent slides where Intel accused the opposition of producing ‘glued together’ EPYC chips. Plenty of controversy to wade through. They then talk about the recent work of Sofos1990 (Greece) and his recent spate of Global First Place scores achieved using 6-core, 8-core and 10-core Skylake-X processors. Finally we have the news that the HWBOT x265 benchmark has been approved for points on HWBOT, and that the Overclocker Magazine has opted to drop awards in its reviews.
Over the weekend Japanese Extreme Overclocker NABE got down to some serious sub-zero overclocking. The session featured a Kaby-Lake-X processor from Intel which was pushed to new heights after being delidded with an LN2 pot mounted directly onto the CPU die. The outcome is a new World record in the classic 3DMark06 benchmark.
The 3DMark06 benchmark is, to put a fine point on things, a bit long in the tooth. Being more than a decade old means that the new GPUs don’t actually provide much of a boost in performance, so much that newer GPUs like Nvidia’s Pascal family can be run at stock settings and still produce decent scores. The best way of pushing the benchmark to new heights is in fact to use the fastest CPU you can get your hands on. This is one reason why Nabe opted to use the latest Kaby Lake-X processor, the Core i7 7740X. The i7 7740X may not have as many cores or threads as its Skylake-X brethren, but in core to core performance terms, it’s pretty hard to beat.
The new 3DMark06 World Record now stands at 71,966 marks. The score was made with NABE’s Core i7 7740X pushed to an incredible 7,127.8MHz, which is +65.76% beyond the chip’s stock settings. What makes the score and the CPU configuration more interesting is that Nabe opted to use delid his Kaby Lake-X chip, but instead of replacing the TIM ̶w̶i̶t̶h̶ ̶l̶i̶q̶u̶i̶d̶ ̶m̶e̶t̶a̶l̶ and re-attaching the IHS, he decided to mount the LN2 pot directly onto the CPU die itself. To make this happen he used an additional mounting mechanism that gives the LN2 pot solid contact with the CPU die (check out the image on the left).
Other rig details involve an ASUS ROG Rampage VI Apex board, a GALaX HoF GTX 1080 Ti LN GOC card plus GLALAX HoF DDR4 memory tuned to 2,075MHz (12-12-12-28). The score beats the previous best which was made last month during Computex by Team AU who scored 71,928 marks with a Core i7 7740X clocked at 7,100MHz (65.12%) Using a GIGABYTE X299 SOC Champion board.
After dealing with all the Challenger Divisions that are based on modern Intel and AMD hardware we finally arrive at Division VII, a place which is very much centered on older hardware. The winner at the end of Round 2 is Italy’s scannick, an overlocker who certainly knows a thing or two about benching retro hardware. Let’s take a look at all the notable scores and submissions from Round 2 of the Challenger Division VII.
Scannick (Italy) Wins Challenger Division VII (Socket LGA775 & GeForce 200)
Challenger Division VII brings us to retro hardware, which in Round 2 involves benching on processors from the classic Intel socket 775 era. Socket 775 covers a plethora of platforms that includes Prescott, Conroe, Yorkfield and Wolfdale architecture CPUs. Retro GPUs are also part of the picture with Nvidia 200 cards allowed. Here are retro-style benchmarks involved.
Division VII: Round 2 Stages
Stage 1: SuperPI 32M
We kick off this roundup with a look at Stage 1. Here we find our eventual winner from Italy in the driving seat at the top of the table with a SuperPi 32M run of 7min 49sec 172ms. His choice of LGA775 chip led him to use a Wolfdale-based Intel Core 2 Duo E8500 from early 2008. This was pushed to a very impressive 6,083MHz, which is a whopping +92.07% beyond stock settings. Other notable hardware included an ASUS Rampage Extreme motherboard, an Intel X48 board that was one of ASUS’ earlier ROG offerings, so much so that it didn’t feature the signature red and black color scheme.
Catch the full and detailed roundup article for Division VII, Round 2 here on OC-ESPORTS.